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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 00:14:44
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Originally posted by edappel
Good answer Wooly...
Next one:
Where could i find informations about Halaster?
The references for Halaster are fairly well scattered throughout diverse Realmslore sources. If you're looking for just a quick synopsis, I suggest you read through Halaster's entry in the Villains' Lorebook, which is available as a free PDF download at WotC.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 00:18:51
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Originally posted by edappel
I want more! Much more! Mua-ha-ha-ha! (evil laugh)
If there isn't other books which I could read, anyone has additional information?
Once, I read that if he leaves undermountain, he gets "sane" again... Why?
You really need to read the relevant sources, like both Ruins of Undermountain boxed sets, to understand the "whys" of Halaster.
I would also suggest the three adventure modules set in Undermountain, and written by Steven Schend [located at that URL for free PDF downloads I just posted above]. As well as the following sources:-
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Escape From Undermountain
FR1 Waterdeep And The North
Faiths and Avatars (Ibrandul's corpse reference)
Ruins of Undermountain I
"If You Need Help --- Ask The Drow!" [Dragon #176]
Ruins of Undermountain II
City of Splendors [boxed set]
"I Sing A Song By The Deep-Water Bay" [Dragon #211]
The Lost Level
"The Reports From Undermountain" [Dragon #227]
Maddgoth's Castle
Iakhovas' Attack on Waterdeep
The Great Modron March
Stardock
Skullport
Elminster In Hell
Dawn of Night [Erevis Cale Trilogy, Book II]
City of Splendors: Waterdeep
Return to Undermountain [web articles]
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 16:55:48
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Thanks!
Next one!
How did Abeir-Toril has been created? Well.. Ao simply created it? Who were the first ones? There is the story of the fight of Shar ans Selune, ok, I know that... But once i heard Chauntea created everything... Could someone give me more explanation? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 17:08:48
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There are just as many 'creation myths' for Faerūn as there are for our own homeworld (and, there's probably a few that are the same in both due to the portals). Some say Ao created the world, others say the world coalesced and the gods came to claim it, and some religions claim their god created it and other gods are merely interlopers.
Shar and Selūne were two of the earliest goddesses to come to the Realms, and Chauntea is said to have been birthed when the world was formed. Each god/goddess has their own version of 'how things are' and they rarely agree on anything. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 18:00:55
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My own question from reading this. What is the name of Abeir-Toril's Star?
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 20:47:44
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Good question Brimstone...
And Ashe, so.. Let's start a discussion with our sages to get some hint of what truly happened... I think we could get some informations to try to discover it without Ed's help.. 
The Sage? Wooly? Like always, we need you knowledge... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 : 00:35:36
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Originally posted by Brimstone
My own question from reading this. What is the name of Abeir-Toril's Star?
BRIMSTONE
The Realmspace supplement simply refers to it as "The Sun."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 : 00:44:26
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Originally posted by edappel
Good question Brimstone...
And Ashe, so.. Let's start a discussion with our sages to get some hint of what truly happened... I think we could get some informations to try to discover it without Ed's help..
The Sage? Wooly? Like always, we need you knowledge...
I don't think there's any truly detailed creation myth for Realmspace anywhere in the Realmslore. The most we can ascertain must be pieced together from novels, like the Evermeet novel, and sourcebooks, like Lost Empires of Faerūn, Giantcraft, and even the old FR Draconomicon.
Having said that, Brian James presented some speculative thoughts [which were based on canon events] about creation myths for Toril in the original PDF for A Grand History of the Forgotten Realms. Unfortunately, that source is no longer available for download, because of the print-version of Grand History. That particular "creation myth" section wasn't included in the print-version, so I can only assume it's still speculative "as-close-to-canon-as-we-have" Realmslore for the moment.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 : 04:12:32
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
My own question from reading this. What is the name of Abeir-Toril's Star?
BRIMSTONE
The Realmspace supplement simply refers to it as "The Sun."
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
211 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2009 : 13:31:40
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 : 16:04:43
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I did question Brian James... Let's wait for his answer...
I had some other questions to make. But now i forgot.  I'll wait for it to return. |
--- Ed Appel
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 13:23:06
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Well.. I was going to post the link here too. 
Next question!
What happens when a god dies? What happens with his soul? |
--- Ed Appel
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 14:01:00
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| Don't think they really have souls as such, but from what I remember their bodies are left to drift in the astral sea in an eternal slumber, where they slowly fade away. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 17:04:14
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Originally posted by Tyr
Don't think they really have souls as such, but from what I remember their bodies are left to drift in the astral sea in an eternal slumber, where they slowly fade away.
Pretty much, aye. Their bodies end up in the Astral but they could be resurrected if they manage to receive enough power and or worshipers to do so. Or if there's a place left for them to fit into a pantheon again. Or, if you use him, Ao allows them to return to the pantheon(s).
But in general, they usually languish in the Astral. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 17:14:04
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| One interesting sidenote is that some creatures like the Githyanki, I believe, make their homes in the bodies of dead gods. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 17:34:22
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One interesting sidenote is that some creatures like the Githyanki, I believe, make their homes in the bodies of dead gods.
Indeed they do. :) The bodies also make great adventuring locations. Grin. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 18:12:43
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Tyr
One interesting sidenote is that some creatures like the Githyanki, I believe, make their homes in the bodies of dead gods.
Indeed they do. :) The bodies also make great adventuring locations. Grin.
Indeed. Check out the old Planescape accessory Dead Gods for an example adventure over the astral corpse of the dark god Tenebrous. For 4E, I included an epic tier lair in Open Grave which allows PCs to travel upon (and inside!) the astral corpse of the primordial Blood Lord, Haemnathuun. |
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Apr 2009 : 20:04:05
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But gods don't have souls? That's strange.
So what happened to Midnight's soul when she become Mystra?
And I'll have to check Dead Gods... This answers gives me many ideas to my campaign... Thanks!! |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 00:09:58
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nothing really happens to her soul, as gods don't technically have a physical for, sorta like sci-fi energy beings.
So if she should die then she'll drift the astral sea like a normal god, instead of going to an afterlife. Can kinda understand why Midnight didn't want to be a god to begin with.
However usually the god's original personality, in the case of mortals becoming gods are eroded and replaced by one more fitting to their portfolios. Atleast that's what Mystra I said to Elminster when they were dating. |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 : 11:18:39
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| in my old forgotten realms atlas there is a city called shiertalar i think down near the lake of steam.it is given the same sort of size description as waterdeep and calimport but i have never heard anything about it.any lore anywhere. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 19 Apr 2009 : 18:21:27
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Originally posted by swifty
in my old forgotten realms atlas there is a city called shiertalar i think down near the lake of steam.it is given the same sort of size description as waterdeep and calimport but i have never heard anything about it.any lore anywhere.
I think you typoed the name of Sheirtalar.
So, I did not really find info about the city.
It's just quoted in few source books (Grand Tour of the Realms, Prayers from the Faithful, and Secrets of the Magister, one Dragon issue,...).
Some of the NPCs come from this town. That's the only things I found in these sources.
No real info about the proper city . |
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Apr 2009 : 18:48:29
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Originally posted by Tyr
nothing really happens to her soul, as gods don't technically have a physical for, sorta like sci-fi energy beings.
SNIP
This seems to be contradicted by the existance of the Hunefer in ELH, which is (IIRC) the undead remains of a dead godling.
Edit: 100th post! Whoo-hoo.
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Fillow
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Apr 2009 : 22:40:22
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
quote:
Originally posted by Tyr
nothing really happens to her soul, as gods don't technically have a physical for, sorta like sci-fi energy beings.
SNIP
This seems to be contradicted by the existance of the Hunefer in ELH, which is (IIRC) the undead remains of a dead godling.
Edit: 100th post! Whoo-hoo.
The ELH isn't a Realms source. I've never heard of Hunefer, myself. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 01:13:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
quote:
Originally posted by Tyr
nothing really happens to her soul, as gods don't technically have a physical for, sorta like sci-fi energy beings.
SNIP
This seems to be contradicted by the existance of the Hunefer in ELH, which is (IIRC) the undead remains of a dead godling.
Edit: 100th post! Whoo-hoo.
It's important to note that the Epic Level Handbook is not specifically a Realms-source. It's core D&D, and thus, not really relevant for determining what is or isn't in the Realms.
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 03:07:22
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Another question:
When a citizen pray multiple gods, like its very common (Tymora, Chauntea, Lathander, etc..), which one would "get him" when he dies? The one that he/she most like? Depends the god? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 04:53:26
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Originally posted by edappel
Another question:
When a citizen pray multiple gods, like its very common (Tymora, Chauntea, Lathander, etc..), which one would "get him" when he dies? The one that he/she most like? Depends the god?
It's assumed that while everyone is going to give at least some attention to a variety of deities, there's going to be one that they venerate above the rest. I'd assume, if there was someone who somehow managed to offer equal veneration to multiple deities, that they'd go to the one that they most closely matched. |
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