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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 :  18:42:59  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

Interesting point I came across my search - appartenly the leader of the temple of Lathander in Eveningstar Charisbonde "Trueservant" Belon had his SEX changed from male to feamle between Ed's write up of that place in Dragon #157 "Next stop - Eveningstar" and the Adventure "Into the Dragons Lair".

Now, I am really curious how that happened. Any guesses or hints anyone?!



It wouldn't be the first time a NPC had it's gender, or race, changed. Just chulk it up to a error... And there is three sources in 2e that says this NPC is female.... The 2e box set, Haunted Halls, and Cormyr.

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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

Interesting point I came across my search - appartenly the leader of the temple of Lathander in Eveningstar Charisbonde "Trueservant" Belon had his SEX changed from male to feamle between Ed's write up of that place in Dragon #157 "Next stop - Eveningstar" and the Adventure "Into the Dragons Lair".

Now, I am really curious how that happened. Any guesses or hints anyone?!



It wouldn't be the first time a NPC had it's gender, or race, changed. Just chulk it up to a error... And there is three sources in 2e that says this NPC is female.... The 2e box set, Haunted Halls, and Cormyr.



Thanks Kuje! So he is female than! I will add that to my notes.

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Ergdusch
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Next question: The Adventure "Into the Dragons Lair" talks about only one Tavern being run in Eveningstar - The Welcoming Hand.

Now, where can I find more info on that particular tavern? Who were its original owners? What are the names of its current operators? Is there any info about what happened to the other places in town and why they are closed (inns, taverns, festhalls, rooming houses)?

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The Sage
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There's a few tidbits in Crown of Fire, as well as Ed and Jeff's "Eveningstar" write-up in DRAGON #157. And Haunted Halls of Eveningstar.

Both of the "Cormyr" sourcebooks don't reference anything about the inn beyond it's name and location.

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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

There's a few tidbits in Crown of Fire, as well as Ed and Jeff's "Eveningstar" write-up in DRAGON #157. And Haunted Halls of Eveningstar.

Both of the "Cormyr" sourcebooks don't reference anything about the inn beyond it's name and location.




Thanks thee, Sage!

However, I checked all sources except for Crown of fire, with the only info being that it burned down after a tavern brawl and has not been rebuilt since. Than all the sudden Into the dragons lair pronounces it as the only oparating tavern in town. Makes me wonder, it does, how that came about. Due to the war? are all other palces ruined after some goblin attack? Are some of the owners dead or did they flee town? Or is business so bad that it is no longer profitable to run a tavern/inn/rooming house?

Could thou be a little more forthcoming with what info the novel Crown of Fire has to offer on this part?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

However, I checked all sources except for Crown of fire, with the only info being that it burned down after a tavern brawl and has not been rebuilt since. Than all the sudden Into the dragons lair pronounces it as the only oparating tavern in town. Makes me wonder, it does, how that came about. Due to the war? are all other palces ruined after some goblin attack? Are some of the owners dead or did they flee town? Or is business so bad that it is no longer profitable to run a tavern/inn/rooming house?
I found this tidbit from Ed to be somewhat enlightening:-

"It's easy to remain calm in the face of changes or disagreements about Realmslore when one learns to "think Realms." Here's an example: in the recent module [Into The Dragon's Lair], we learn that the Welcoming Hand is the only inn currently operating in Eveningstar. Huh? I could hit the roof ("Look, I created the whole shebang, the essential references here are Haunted Halls of Eveningstar, the print FR Atlas, the novel Crown of Fire, and the Eveningstar writeup in DRAGON that we had to dump out of FR ADVENTURES for lack of space...can't you guys get ANYTHING right? The Welcoming Hand is the burnt-out ruin, and the Lonesome Tankard is the famous and well-loved local inn and tavern.") or I can "think Realms." To whit, for the purposes of the adventure, it doesn't matter. For the purposes of my ongoing campaign, it does. So, the rebuilding that I had underway at the Hand got speeded up, and the Tankard got taken out of the market. Why? Ah - the need to retake Arabel and scour the northeast of goblins and orcs and brigands and wandering monsters and all the rest of the chaos that followed DotD. Obviously, many Purple Dragons were needed in the area; not enough barracks-space coupled with a need for an Eveningstar presence (thanks to the gorge leading up into - and down from - the Stonelands) meant that the Crown took over the Tankard, paying Dunman too handsomely for him to say no, and he simply serves the locals their brews out a side-window, now, without taking guests. The Crown probably also helped finish the rebuilding of the Hand. End of inconsistency problem; easy, eh?"
quote:
Could thou be a little more forthcoming with what info the novel Crown of Fire has to offer on this part?
I'd have to take a look through my copy of the novel, I'm afraid.

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Ergdusch
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Thanks Sage!

So it seems Ed himseölf was a little astonished to say the least that his "plans" for Eveningstar were not those that were introduced in Into the Dragons Lair. His explanation helps somewhat even though I do not like it very much as it is no "canon source". However, as this gap will most likely not be easily fixed I will take Ed's suggestions and "think Realms" or ignore the changes made in the adventure.......

Thanks for the info, though. Much appreciated and again I am amazed as to what you are able to pull out of the hat (or from some other unknown source).

Ergdusch

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Ergdusch
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A list of Purple Dragon ranks
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

The Purple Dragon ranks from lowest to highest (with very roughly equivalent real-world ranks, useful for anyone familiar with a military deriving its ranks from the British system) is:

Blade- Private or Corporal
First Sword- Sergeants
Swordcaptain- Warrant Officers/ Lieutenants
Lionar- Captain
Ornrion- Major/Lt. Colonel
Constal- Colonel
Oversword
Battlemaster

Battlemaster and Oversword are somewhat equal, both being roughly equivalent to general officers in our world. Generally speaking, a battlemaster is a field officer, while an oversword is a garrisoned or "base" officer (like the commander of the garrison of Arabel, Oversword Dutharr). You'll never really see a noble below the rank of swordcaptain, and rarely below the rank of lionar. Commoners, for their part, have a hard time making it past lionar, though an ennobled or knighted commoner can rise to any rank the crown or his superiors desire.

Standing above these ranks is the (Lord High) Warden of the Eastern Marches, currently Dauneth Marliir. Any other regional wardens ("Warden of the North," for example) would also be at this level. The Warden of the Port of Marsember, Ayesunder Truesilver (and de facto head of the Imperial Navy), is effectively at this level as well.

Above the Warden is the (Lord) High Marshal of the Kingdom. This post is currently vacant--in truth, it's filled by Alusair--and answers only to the Crown, having full command over the total forces of all Cormyr.


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Ergdusch
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On my search on infos to Cormyr I found two lists of the Cormyrean noblity by Kris Metz here and here and by Jerry Davis here.

Reading through those a new question arose:
How did the war against Nalavara and her goblin armee and the war against the Shades effect the nobles in Cormyr? Did many of them loose their lives on battlefields? Are all those from Tilverton dead due to the catastrophe that happend there? How strong did the noble class emerge from all those wars anyway? Thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Ergdusch
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I looked through Kuje's composed files of Ed's replies here at Candlekeep.com (See here: So saith Ed) for anything on Cormyr. Thank you Kuje for your work on the replies of the old hairy one and THO. Made my work a lot easier. Now, this is what I came up with so following seekers might just look here instead of doing the search again.

Note: They are not checked for relevance of the content. So it could well be that the answer has no real information but consists only of (irrelevant) musings.

Ed's replies of 2004
March 4th reply about (amongst other topics) Firefall Vale.
March 11th reply about (amongst other topics) the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar.
March 20th reply about how to be a noble in Cormyr.
March 22nd & 23rd reply about the coins of Sembia and Cormyr.
April 8th reply about the Lowlantern Lutes.
April 12th reply about smokepowder in Cormyr.
April 16th reply about (amongst other topics) the destruction of Tilverton
May 16th reply about Elminster and Vangerdahast.
May 18th about (amongst other topics) Arabel.
June 13th reply from THO about the Purple Dragon Highknight prestige class.
June 16th reply about Cormyr's armies.
July 8th reply from THO about property in Cormyr.
July 15th reply about Marsember.
July 17th reply about Marsember and Dungeon 113.
July 18th reply about Marsember.
September 17th reply about Cormyr.
September 22nd reply about Filfaeril and Azoun.
October 4th mailing list reply about Cormyr.
October 7th reply about Cormyr.
October 19th reply about the Curse of the Blood Royal in Cormyr.
October 19th reply about the Waterdeep novel. The radio call in. The Cormyr Mages Royal.
October 20th reply about the -ahast Mages Royal of Cormyr.
October 28th reply from THO about Cormyr's nobles.
October 29th reply about how to become a noble family of Cormyr.
October 31st reply about places in Suzail.

Ed's replies of 2005
January 4th reply about Vangy.
January 9th reply about Cormyr and the War Wizards that further expands on a earlier reply.
January 11th reply that again expands the Cormyr/War Wizard info.
January 25th reply that is about Vangy and the War Wizards.
January 29th reply (amongst other topics) another answer about the War Wizards.
Febuary 1st reply about Vangy and Caladnei.
Febuary 4th reply about the Lords Who Sleep of Cormyr.
Febuary 5th reply about Cormyr and Vangy, etc.
Febuary 9th reply about the Stonelands.
Febuary 14th reply about Cormyr, War Wizards, Vangy, and other info.
Febuary 21st reply about Filfaeril and Azoun IV and the lovers they both have had over the years while still being commited to each other.
Febuary 22nd reply about Cormyr and written works within Cormyr.
March 15th reply about Cormyr, past heads of the War Wizards, and other history of Cormyr.
March 18th reply about Cormyr.
March 24th reply about Cormyr.
April 12th reply about Cormyr.
April 13th reply about Cormyr and how that nation sees the elves.
April 14th reply about the Dwarves of the Earthfast Mountains and, yup, Cormyr.
April 17th reply about Cormyr.
April 19th reply about Arabel after Gondegal's defeat.
April 19th short reply about other Obarskyr heirs.
April 20th reply about Alusair and her lovers.
April 20th reply about Alusair and if she had a child, would it be considered king or queen.
April 20th short reply about Vaerana Hawklyn and her female consort Yanseldara.
April 27th reply about Alusair.
April 30th reply about the Purple Dragons of Cormyr and 'dragonstars' (special honour decorations).
May 2nd reply about Alusair.
May 3rd reply about Alusair and the new leader of the War Wizards and other material.
May 3rd reply from THO about Alusair.
May 4th reply about Alusair.
May 9th about the Lowlantern Lutes.
May 11th reply about Cormyr.
May 14th reply about Caladnei and the Harpers.
May 16th reply about Alusair.
May 18th reply from Garen Thal about clerics in Cormyr.
June 6th reply about Caladnei.
June 6th reply from THO about Caladnei.
June 15th and 16th reply about Marsember.
June 20th reply about Cormyr and the Tunlands.
July 4th & 5th reply about Alusair.
August 3rd reply about Cormyr and who rules the settlements.
August 29th reply about the Seven Sisters. Gary Gygax. Cormyr.
August 29th reply from Garen Thal about Cormyr.
August 31st reply about some of the nobles of Cormyr.
September 18th reply about the local lords of Cormyr.
September 28th, 29th & 30th reply about the guilds of Cormyr.
October 1st reply about the guilds of Cormyr.
October 3rd reply about the guilds of Cormyr.
October 3rd reply from Garen Thal about Cormyr's army.
October 7th reply about the guilds of Cormyr.
November 24th reply about the date Azoun died.
December 29th reply about Cormyr's Navy.

Ed's replies of 2006
January 10th reply about the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar.
January 31 reply about the ruling family of Cormyr in Ed's version of FR.
February 5th reply from THO about Cormyr's Royal Lineage.
February 13th reply about the after effects of the Death of a Dragon novel (here).
February 19th reply about Belmuth and Arathra, two of Cormyr's kings.
March 8th reply about the ruins of glass in the Farsea Marches.
March 11th reply from THO about the descriptions of Caladnei and Alusair.
March 26th reply about Cormyr and Alusair.
April 16th reply about different Purple Dragon ranks (the Lancelord, Swordlord, Warcaptain and Boldshield).
April 26th reply about Vangerdahast and his titles.
April 28th reply about how to pronounce Vangey and Vangerdahast.
May 1st reply about shrines/temples of Torm in Cormyr.
May 17th reply about (amongst other topics) Vangerdahast.
May 22nd reply about an error in the 2nd Ed. Cormyr sourcebook, in particular the map of Waymoot and where 'The Cup and the Spoon Inn' (#27) is located.
June 9th reply about the race divisions in Cormyr.
July 14th reply about taxes in Suzail.
July 21st reply about (amongst other topics) Barauble of Cormyr.
July 22nd reply about the existence of dinosaurs in the Stonelands.
August 22nd reply about the Stonelands.
August 26th reply from THO about Vangy and the ToT's.
October 3rd reply from THO about Sembian's being in Cormyr adventuring companies.
October 8th reply about the birthday of the Queen of Cormyr.
October 20th reply from THO about the Highknights of Cormyr.
October 25th reply about the Chondathan names of the various noble titles used in Cormyr.
October 26th reply about what it means to sponser adventurers in Cormyr.
December 5th reply about Alusair. Cormyr. Heirs.
December 25th reply about Loudwater. Cormyr.
December 25th reply about Cormyr's social organization.
December 27th reply about the badges and uniforms of the Blue Dragons of Cormyr.
December 29th reply about are the people in Daerlun friendlier to Cormyr than their trade rivals in Selgaunt and other Sembian cities.
December 30th reply about if Vangerdahast married or had offspring before the events of ELMINSTER'S DAUGHTER.
December 30th reply about if Ed will give us a clearer roster of the noble families of Cormyr by the end of the Knights of Myth Drannor novels.
December 31st reply about a few edible mushrooms that might be picked and sold in the Dales or northern Cormyr.

Ed's replies of 2007
January 5th reply about some of the names of Alusair's swords.
January 8th reply from about the banners of Cormyr's army, surcoats, pennants and insignias.
January 9th reply about the permits that are needed in Amn, Cormyr, Sembia, and Tethyr to make and sell arms and armor.
January 16th reply about courting Alusair if someone wants to be her husband.
January 25th reply about how old was Alusair when she visited the Inn of the Dripping Dagger.
February 1st reply Garen's Cormyr reply.
February 5th reply from THO about peacestrings and those that have unpeacestringed blades in Cormyr.
February 17th reply about (amongst other things) the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar.
February 19th reply about the War Wizards of Cormyr.
March 22nd reply about what a shopkeepering in Suzail would know about the rest of the Realms.
March 23rd reply about a daily and once a week paper in Suzail. NDA's.
March 26th reply about Suzail's poor.
March 31st reply about registering for the portal system in 1360 Cormyr. Baby boom after the Crusaders left.
April 10th reply about language in Cormyr.
April 15th reply about Garen Thal's reply about Caladnei.
April 30th reply about how the cities of Arabel and Marsember generally regard the nobles of the rest of Cormyr, and vice versa.
May 12th reply about Cormyr: A Novel.
May 13th reply about hiring fairs, farmers' markets, horsesellers, and so on outside the city gates in Cormyr.
June 12th and 13th replies about young nobles in Cormyr right now, Realms-time, that most oppose Caladnei or Alusair as Regent.
September 17th reply about how many children Azoun and Filfaeril did have.

Ed's replies of 2008
January 14th reply about the Novel Crown of Fire, in particular how to get into the Hidden House.
January 17th reply about the sewer system of Marsember.
January 30th reply detailing more about the portal that 'also' leads to the Hidden House. (This reply and te one from JAN 14 can also be found on p. 4 of this thread: 'On the Hidden House and its entrance found in Tessaril's Tower')
February 2nd reply Ed details the blazons in POWER OF FAERUN, the last two being interesting for Cormyr.
February 14th reply about a Purple Dragon officer's social life, social occasions, romantic liaisons and tailoring. ('Tis posted on page 4 of this thread as well.)
February 14th replies by Garen Thal elaborating on the above twice (so keep reading ;)).
February 16th (short) reply by THO about gem & mineral wealth of Cormyr.
April 3rd reply about the Cormyr noble family of the 'Illances'.
April 5th reply about the roof conditions of the building in Suzail and any thief activities on them.
April 6th reply on the extent War Wizards and the local Watch keep an eye on criminals.
April 8th reply concerning names and naming children in the Realms, esp. in Cormyr.
April 22nd reply by THO about the exact location of the 'Pillar Rock' (on the Eveningstar Map).
April 24th reply (pr should I call it musings) on Arabel and Marsember succeeding on their own.
May 1st reply on a cormyrean "bugaboo" (the haunted helm).
May 5th replying that "many Cormyreans and Dalefolk of the generation now starting to grow old add “look you” to the end of most utterances."
May 9th reply on pest-banishing or crop fertilizing magic also be the War Wizards.
May 18th reply on joining the War Wizards and the Purple Dragons, on nobles and barbarians in Cormyr, a paladin of Tyr in Cormyr and the attitude of Cormyreans towards genasi (posted on p. 5 of this thread for easy reference).
May 19th reply by THO on Elmister and Khelben Arunsun and their role in the War Wizards.
May 19th reply by THO clarifying the 'genasi in Cormyr'-answer from May 18th.
June 1st reply on which tune Ed used constructing the "The Cormyte's Boast" from Volo's Guide to Cormyr, p. 165. (It was The Vicar of Braye)
June 19th reply on military contracts in Cormyr.
July 4th reply on my the Crystal Grot (here).
July 5th reply by THO on why Ed created the Crystal Grot.
July 13th reply on hostelry names & taxes on alcoholic bavarages in Cormyr, remembering Azoun IV and of other amazing lore. (re-posted on p. 6 of this thread)
July 18th reply on the Women of the Woods, their leader Vandara "the Vixen" Thulont and more.
July 23rd reply on questions concerning the novel the Swords never sleep with minor touches on Cormyr-lore.
July 26th reply on questions concerning the novel Swords of Eveningstar and the Haunted Halls.
July 27th reply on many different Cormyr-related questions (Women of the Woods, Alusair, Cladnei and more).

No more replies by Ed, THO or others on Cormyr so far. I will try to keep this list as up-to date as possible. Otherwise, please check yourselves at Kuje's composed files (see the link above) or Ed's ongoing discussion thread of the current year (Questions for Ed Greenwood (2008)).

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

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Skeptic
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I'm starting an online campaign (Fantasy Grounds) with my long-time players and because of this thread, I've decided to start it in Cormyr
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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic


I'm starting an online campaign (Fantasy Grounds) with my long-time players and because of this thread, I've decided to start it in Cormyr



Great to hear that, Skeptic. If you stumble on anything that has not been mentioned here, please stop by again to make it known to us.

BTW, I am scanning the complete replies by Ed about cormyr more in detail now and will post them in some way or the other. have not decided yet, but you'll eventually see...

Ergdusch

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Skeptic
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I've noticed you have included Garen Thal's answers about Cormyr, what gives him a special "authority" about it ?

Edit : Just to be sure I'm well understood, I'm just curious about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic


I've noticed you have included Garen Thal's answers about Cormyr, what gives him a special "authority" about it ?



Garen (Brian Cortijo) is a true Master of Realmslore, who has consulted (from time to time, I believe) with Ed on all matters Cormyrean. I have no doubt that his knowledge on the subject is second only to Ed.

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If Garen Thal muses about Cormyr, I pay as much attention as when Ed does the same thing.

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Ergdusch
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quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic

I've noticed you have included Garen Thal's answers about Cormyr, what gives him a special "authority" about it ?




What Asgetrion said is quite correct. Garen is "THE" expert when it comes to the kingdom of Cormyr. This is even acknowledged by THO herself in some of her answers IIRC. How this exactly came about I don't know myself. Maybe the Sage or someone else can tell you more on that. However, recalling Galens insight to Cormyr I found it appropriate to include his answers as well (as did Kuje in his project).


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Maybe we should just let Garen explain how his own relationship with Forest Kingdom developed.

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 :  21:14:49  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch
What Asgetrion said is quite correct. Galen is "THE" expert when it comes to the kingdom of Cormyr. This is even acknowledged by THO herself in some of her answers IIRC. How this exactly came about I don't know myself. Maybe the Sage or someone else can tell you more on that. However, recalling Galens insight to Cormyr I found it appropriate to include his answers as well (as did Kuje in his project).
"Garen," dear Ergdusch. It's Garen. "Galen" is an overused generic fantasy name, so much so that Wizards' Author Submission Guidelines, for a number of years, included a warning not to name one's protagonist Galen.

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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe we should just let Garen explain how his own relationship with Forest Kingdom developed.
Aye, maybe we should...

Esentially, the story goes thus: I was participating in an online game set in the Forgotten Realms, the main hubs of which were Waterdeep, Shadodale and Arabel. Playing a Cormyrean character (the one for whom I'm named here on the boards), I found that I needed more information in order to better appreciate the game portray my character--especially since the DMs of said game were railroading me into positions of greater authority. So I read up, and studied, and absorbed every bit of Ed and Jeff's Cormyr: A Novel, and started becoming more active in a few online communities related to the Realms--this was prior to my involvement in Candlekeep.

Eventually, I became a bit of an expert, having studied so much and become so involved in FR in general and Cormyr in particular. I was fortunate enough to get my grubby little hands on an important behind-the-scenes document called the Royal Lineage of Cormyr, and began putting together my own files to try and flesh out the holes in Cormyrean Realmslore--like a contained discussion about the military, for example. Through a friend, I had a number of these files passed along to Ed, who expressed his general approval of the work and its contents.

Since then, Ed and I have had a number of conversations and email exchanges regarding the Forest Kingdom, its past, and its future. I've also made a number of public statements of opinion on Cormyr, most of which have received Ed's confirmation. I have a small portion of Champions of Valor that I wrote (on the Red Ravens and Alliance of Freesailors, both Cormyrean groups), and a ton of stuff I've worked on floating around on my and others' computers, waiting for the right moment to share it. I'm also "keeper of the Blood Royal," in a way, because I'm the present steward of the Royal Lineage, which gets updated every time another bit of lore comes out related to the House Obarskyr.

Ed has consistently proclaimed me the "foremost living expert on Cormyr"--though I assure all readers that I slew no one to attain the title, and don't really desire it. I appreciate the fact that Ed, and others, have such great confidence in my understanding of the setting, but a number of other scribes have come before me to detail the Forest Kingdom and do much unheralded work, among them Grant Christie, Bryon Wischstadt, and Tom Costa. That's not to mention all the hard work and realms nuggets generated by Ed, Eric Boyd, George Krashos, and the staffers of TSR and WotC, down the years. I am but a vessel for the wisdom of others.

Really, what I do with Cormyr is little different from what most DMs do with the primary locale of their own campaigns: I study, I see what information is out there, decide what's "right" if certain facts conflict, and fill in the blanks based on what I feel best fits the spirit of the area. I have the advantage of not having to cater to the particular tastes of a specific gaming group, and the greater advantages of being able to pester Ed with my ideas and have him confirm or deny my suspicions, to view a few of the older bits and files, and nudge him ever so slightly in directions I might wish. Essentially, though, nothing that I do with Cormyr is anything greater or more involved than what a hundred DMs do with their own Realms games on a weekly basis. I just talk about it more, and more publicly, than most.
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Ergdusch
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 :  22:12:10  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal
"Garen," dear Ergdusch. It's Garen. "Galen" is an overused generic fantasy name, so much so that Wizards' Author Submission Guidelines, for a number of years, included a warning not to name one's protagonist Galen.




My deep apologies, dear Garen! Please consider it no more than a 'typo'.

And thanks for your reply clearing up your involvement in all that is Cormyrian!

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

Edited by - Ergdusch on 13 Sep 2007 22:18:25
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Skeptic
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Thanks Garen.



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Alaundo
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 :  23:54:13  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

"Garen," dear Ergdusch. It's Garen. "Galen" is an overused generic fantasy name, so much so that Wizards' Author Submission Guidelines, for a number of years, included a warning not to name one's protagonist Galen.



Well that certainly ended my day on a high, Garen ::wanders off chuckling::

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 :  00:58:22  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Indeed, Garen, thank you for sharing your story.

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 :  01:57:44  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All are welcome. I consider it a privelege to work on any corner of the Realms to any degree. Telling people how I get to do it can only encourage more to work hard and show their love and devotion to the setting. We will always need more Lorelords.

And please, don't tease Ergdusch overmuch. The mistake is a common one (imagine correcting someone seven times in a ten minute online conversation) precisely because of the overuse of the name in novels and games. It's only an online handle, anyway--my name is still Brian--so I'm never offended if someone gets it wrong. Just a bit amused.
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 :  02:49:59  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

And please, don't tease Ergdusch overmuch.



Define 'overmuch'!

Seriously, I would never dream of teasing a guy whose avatar is a half-orc!

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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turox
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 :  04:36:49  Show Profile  Visit turox's Homepage Send turox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

And please, don't tease Ergdusch overmuch. The mistake is a common one (imagine correcting someone seven times in a ten minute online conversation) precisely because of the overuse of the name in novels and games. It's only an online handle, anyway--my name is still Brian--so I'm never offended if someone gets it wrong. Just a bit amused.


Oh don't worry Brain we won't tease the half-orc all that much. Besides I have always lived with "If you aren't being picked on then then it just means they don't like you.

Turox Antas Dragonslayer -
"People will believe anything they want to believe, or fear to believe."
Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, Page #397, US Hard Cover (revealed by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander).
Explanation by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander: "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
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