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Arkhaedun
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 :  20:13:58  Show Profile  Visit Arkhaedun's Homepage Send Arkhaedun a Private Message
As Sage has said, I want to reiterate that this thread is about asking questions to Ed, and Ed and THO graciously donate their time to answer questions for all of our benefits, so the least we can do is to make sure that the thread is easy for THO to follow to actually find the questions for Ed.

Thanks all.
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Athenon
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Ed and THO,

I wanted to tell you how much I (and we) appreciate you guys taking the time to post here. We as gamers and readers are unmistakably lucky to have access to the creator of the Realms. I'm still amazed at the sheer volume of lore that I've read on these scrolls over the last 3 years. We're also lucky to have such devoted scribes still shepherding the Realms into the future (Boyd, Krashos and Schend among others).

I have a broad Realmslore question for Ed (and THO): Which Realms game products over the last 20 years have been the most true to your vision of the Realms or most enjoyable to you as Creator (or original player for THO)? I would love to hear your perspective. Thanks again!

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The Hooded One
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Sage and Arkhaedun, indulge us for a moment, please. Ed will return to lore replies forthwith, but folks are upset and he wants to address that. So . . .

Hi again, everyone. Ed is remaining true to his promise to “be here” for scribes, but warns that he just can’t answer as freely as he might, not just because of NDAs and not wanting to damage the process of unfolding the Realms, but because so much just isn’t known yet (by him, and presumably by most others) about specifics of the 4e Realms.
However, without further jabber from me, heeeeere’s Ed:



Hello, all. I continue to receive e-mails, phone calls, snail mail letters, and in-person queries, beefs, and pleas for reassurance from longtime Realms fans - - and continue to be humbled by the depth of your feeling for the Realms. Thank you, everyone.
Though I am frantically busy trying to get things done before flying off to Australia (during which trip I will almost certainly fall e-silent, BTW) I will try to respond to scribes who have posted in this thread, as I come to your posts in the e-mails THO forwards me.

Red Walker, you’re welcome, thanks for the love, and you are very, very right to say: “Fear of change is natural, and greater fear of Big changes is too!”
The reactions of Realms fans were expected for this very reason. Of COURSE everyone will be upset, or at least anxious, in some way, whether eager for change or hating its possible/probable consequences. Wooly Rupert and others are correct to say we haven’t seen enough yet to really judge the so-called “new” Realms, and I agree.
None of which doesn’t make opinions on it, based on the little we have seen, perfectly valid. Zandilar isn’t the only one to decide that the changes she’s heard about thus far seem “so... well... dumb, to put it bluntly.”
Please, please, all of you: respect each other’s opinions. Disagree with them as heatedly as you want, but please bend over backwards not to disrespect each other for holding them. As it happens, the way the “peekaboo” revelations have thus far appeared (I’m guessing so as to foment maximum “buzz” and therefore unpaid publicity), I agree with Zandilar. Those don’t sound like MY gods. :}
However, Chosen of Moradin quite rightly points out that “a timeline is not an explanation of what happens. It's only a summary. And a summary cannot explain clearly anything. The summary of the Fall of Myth Drannor don't explain the Fall of Myth Drannor. So, to see exactly what happened, we will have to wait until the next FRCS.”
Correct. As I’ve always said, mortals in the Realms can never know the “truth” about divine deeds and intentions, only what’s reported to them. By deities, priests, soothsayers, “possessed” madwits, and in dream-visions - - and ALL of those sources can be mistaken or misinterpreted, or can lie and distort or slant to further their own agendas. Yes, even the gods themselves. So what appears in THE GRAND HISTORY OF THE REALMS is what “the loudest reports say” happened, not what every being in the Realms personally saw and therefore “knows” (and agrees) happened.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that there are major changes in magic and the deities underway, and that the Spellplague is part of that. We now know that it begins in the Year of Blue Fire, in a dramatic way, and that part of Bob’s newest novel takes place a hundred years in the future (at a time when almost all human characters alive in the Realms of “today,” if they haven’t found some magical means of prolonging their lifespans - - in a “magic unstable and unreliable” situation - - will have perished of old age).
Which brings us to eiglos, who posts: “My only current played character in the Realms is a Priestess of Lurue. Her future must be uncertain, unless Lurue returns to her original role in the Realms.”
Passing over the obvious points that everyone’s future is always uncertain, and that the particular priestess will almost certainly have died of old age by the time of THE ORC KING anyway, we know that gods can and have been subsumed by other gods, and that “dead” or fallen gods are still worshipped fervently, just as before, because other deities adopt their followers, still grant spells, and so on - - so mortals may or may not know the true fate of the deity they worship. This MIGHT be one future for this specific priestess. Lurue (or any other deity, for that matter) could of course survive “unchanged,” or change in divine power but keep the same looks, portfolios, aims, and credos. Deities tend to shift subtly all the time in these things, however. And IF we are talking a century of time, that’s a lot of roleplaying (in terms of real-world duration). So for now, eiglos, roleplaying “life” for your priestess can be very much “business as usual.”
I personally would welcome the separation of, say, The Living Realms and the “history” RPGA play therein develops, from my own home campaign. If characters played in an RPGA adventure slay a wizard and blow up his tower, and I’m using both wizard and tower extensively in my home campaign, the potential conflict vanishes; the destruction won’t occur until the future (if mage and/or structure “go down” in my campaign, there’s plenty of in-Realms time for the one to be brought back to life somehow and the other rebuilt, to “explain away” the conflict).
A gamer can play in their own current campaign just as before, peek at eventual 4e Realms releases in hobby shops, at conventions, and via online discussion, and either decide never to go to 4e, or (if the new material at some point seems really exciting) “jump” the characters from one Realmsdate to the other by some magical means (even if it’s “caught in a portal for a century,” and I set just such weirdness up with some comments in SWORDS OF DRAGONFIRE that also “start to” explain the 2e to 3e “map changes” in the Realms without being too explicit, for those who didn’t make the change). Or, if a DM and player group collectively decide to move to the “new” Realms, they can even try to arrange cached treasure and PC breeding so as to “set up” descendants of their favourite characters as adventurers in the future Realms.
So, eiglos, your priestess can have a long and rewarding life and career, regardless.
However, this leads to another important point Zandilar raised: “If I run my campaign prior to the Year of Blue Fire, then I don't need the 4e products. Since I don't need them, I don't buy them. Since I don't buy them, WotC doesn't get my money. WotC doesn't get my money, and it is starting to look like a lot of the "old guard" are going down this path... So WotC starts to loose money, and eventually the line will get cut.”
This is indeed the Big Risk in all of this, the “roll of the dice” that I wish someone had never decided to make (because I personally value the ongoing development of a shared and unbroken imaginary Grand History of a fictional fantasy setting as something magnificent in itself, an achievement we should all continue to contribute to).
Yet it’s happening regardless of my personal wants, and I choose to be onboard trying to paddle and steer, rather than left behind swimming in the water, calling out that perhaps we should have set a different course.
Zandilar is perfectly correct to post: “I've never ever had problems with a business wanting to make a profit. That is, after all, the purpose of a business. But what they're doing here is taking a HUGE risk with a known quantity. They're risking the entire Realms product line with this move, and they seem to have gone to great lengths to rub us old guard up the wrong way with the changes they're making. (Just my perception, I'm sure they haven't deliberately set out to slight us.)”
I don’t think anyone at Wizards set out to deliberately upset or slight anyone. I do think it has been decided to make these changes swiftly, and that very “brutal rapidity” is increasing some of the upset along with the “buzz.”
However, there’s no reason at all to move your own campaign if you don’t want to. IF there’s a hundred-year jump, that’s a LOT of time to roleplay through; most FR campaigns I hear about don’t cover more than ten to twelve years in the Realms unless they incorporate “down time” jumps of their own, before they “run down” and the folks involved start anew.
Yes, the Spellplague is going to shift the flavour of the Realms (if wizards are dying or their magic is going wild or failing, and priests are all upset, too, it follows that the “tone” of daily life and therefore of roleplaying will change a bit), but the Realms is a big place, and there’s no reason yet to suspect that “all civilization will fall.” Waterdeep, Silverymoon, Cormyr - - I don’t think a century will sweep any of them away. CHANGE them, yes, but they’re all changing constantly, anyway; we just usually live with the changes as they’re happening rather than seeing a “big jump-cut.” Nor is there any reason, based on what we’ve seen thus far, to believe that the Spellplague is a single big event, over in a short time; the very name implies something of longer duration, with almost certainly (if real-world “plagues” are anything to go by) varying results from place to place and person to person (this city or region largely unaffected, that wizard untouched, this one over here driven mad; that allows DMs plenty of “elbow room” to preserve the “heart locations” of a beloved campaign, and favourite PCs and NPCs, too; it’s “the rest of the Realms” where the BIG changes occur . . . something that a lot of DMs have already been doing for two decades, as they steer their own campaigns around events in the published Realms).
None of which means my arguments should be seen as quelling, denying, or belittling the personal anger and upset longtime Realms fans are feeling over this. Believe me, I know how you feel. :}
Neriandal Freit, your queries don’t come off as offensive, at all (and I’m glad you loved that little scene in EL’S DAUGHTER; one of my favourite moments, out of everything I’ve written). I hear you and I sympathize, deeply. (And yes, I’ll check out “Redeemers of Dawn,” and let you know; somebody please give THO a heads up when the new Compendium is released, okay?)
My answer begins: Although I know the Realms is intended as “a place to play,” and therefore should be something of a haven from the unpleasantnesses of real life, so we can hold on to elements in it we love and hold most precious, even in the Realms everything changes. I hate changing anything in the published Realms before I finish the (admittedly endless) task of detailing every corner of it (we still aren’t really off the first continent, are we?), but the alternative is static boredom . . . dust settling on statues in silence.
Everything changes; eventually, everyone (even deities, as they are conceived of in the Realms, with power tied to worshippers) dies. So with that said, my "answer direct" to you becomes another question: In real life, and in the Realms, do you NOT fall in love with someone, or befriend them, or work with them on something that interests you both and that you can both be proud of, because someday both of you will die?
I don’t think so. Despite yourself, even if you know we’re all rushing to oblivion, you do it anyway. In the end, that’s what “living” is all about.
We know we’re all doomed (as the song goes: “We’re here for a good time/Not a long time”), but we go ahead and love, laugh, climb mountains, read books, and fall in love with the Realms anyway. At least I did. :}
If it helps you decide, I intend to go on exploring the Realms, bringing us all more detail. Some of it in the “now” Realms, and some of it in the “new” Realms.
I strongly suspect the published Realms will shortly become “new Realms only” in terms of the time-setting of products - - and that many fans may step back from that new Realms. That’s an individual choice I certainly don’t want to try to (further than by setting forth my views here) influence for everyone. It’s going to have to be your call.
I hope you’ll join with Xysma and others in “clinging to the merest sliver of hope that Ed, Eric, and the rest can salvage what at first glance is going to be a nightmare for those of us who love the Realms so dearly,” and therefore at least give the new Realms a look.
I’m going to go right on exploring the Realms, and if that means finding some way to paint in bits of the “Lost Years” in the time-jump, I’ll try to find some way to do that. We MIGHT end up with a Realms of the novels that’s far “ahead in time” of where you or other gamers might be roleplaying, and therefore not conflicting much with your unfolding play. Lovely smell over here, steak sizzling over there, so to speak.
I KNOW it hurts when you’ve come to love and cherish a fictional place and characters, that you can enjoy in your imagination, and someone goes and stomps on what you hold precious. Yet what lies your imagination can be only be hurt if you let it be.
In the Realms, this has all happened before; the Mystra you loved that scene about is Mystra Number 2 (Number 3 if you count Mystryl). The Realms you love grew out of previous planet-shaking debacles. and you may come to like the post-Spellplague Realms.
Or not. I understand and respect both your love for the Realms, and that you feel the way you do right now.
Kuje expressed his dismay early on in this, and many other scribes have cried out between him and you; I understand and sympathize with all of your misgivings and raw emotions. I went through the same thing at a secret summit meeting at GenCon some years ago; believe me, heavy-hitter novelists and game designers who love the Realms have argued about this “change” over and over heatedly.
There’s always a strong streak in gamers and game designers of what I said onstage at the Killer Breakfast this year, when Tracy asked me what my character was going to do, and I replied: “Being a game designer, I go for the bright shiny object.” We always feel the lure of what’s exciting and new.
Yet I deliberately left the ever-busier city where I grew up (“home”) to go and live in the country, to try to cling to some of the good things of the past that were slipping away in the big city. So I’m going through this struggle, too. Lose Syluné? Hell, lose ALL the human NPCs I spent forty years bringing to life? This had BETTER be good!
Wizards of the Coast obviously believes it will be. I’m going to do my best to help them make it so. I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . . .



So saith Ed. Oh, and about those straps to keep you on the horse, Xysma? I’ll be right over! Be warned (as if you needed any warning, purrrr) that I’ve never learned just to keep my hands on the buckles.
Hereafter, back to the lore. Ed hasn't seen a copy of GRAND HISTORY yet, BTW, so can't comment on specific wordings therein.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 16 Sep 2007 23:17:47
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Dargoth
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I have a quick question for Ed with regard to 4ed Realms (Which Im hoping wont be stopped by NDAs)

Is the 4ed realms set in 1385 (ie at the Start of Spellplague) or a hundred years from now? (ie 1485 when Drizzt is writing his "essays" in Orc King)

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createvmind
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 :  23:41:48  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
I'm a fan first of the novels and have read quite a number of realms books that I found disturbing, these changes are exactly that, as long as the realms is still around I will find a way to make due. We'll lose some fans and we'll gain new ones who don't want to know every famous npc for the past 100 years and feel they have to read 50+ books to have an understanding of the current realms.

We'll manage somehow, it's a game setting afterall, better a plague there then in real life.
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Faraer
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This quote from a post Rich Baker made to the Wizards boards in July has sudden new relevance:
quote:
Finally, back in the early days of the game it was absolutely true that wizards just owned high levels. The most powerful people in the world without exception were high-level wizards. Ed's original FR accepted this established game mechanic fact and followed it to its logical conclusion -- so Faerun was full of old, powerful archmages who could do anything they wanted. In more recent years the disparity between the classes has narrowed a great deal. Allowing characters of different classes to rise to prominence means a quiet retirement of at least some of those archmages. So part of what you're seeing is simply an effort to make use of more of the wonderful breadth of character concept the game now permits.

In any event, it's not a systematic or deliberate effort to kill off old characters--it's just a bit of evolution at work. And I wouldn't worry about Elminster.
I wonder to what extent is the prominence of mages of power in the published Realms a 1E rules artefact (as Rich suggests), to what extent is it deliberate, and how much is it down to publishing factors such as the foregrounding of the Chosen of Mystra and neglect of detailing priesthoods?

The 'could do anything they wanted' part also doesn't match my understanding.
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Skeptic
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

I have a quick question for Ed with regard to 4ed Realms (Which Im hoping wont be stopped by NDAs)

Is the 4ed realms set in 1385 (ie at the Start of Spellplague) or a hundred years from now? (ie 1485 when Drizzt is writing his "essays" in Orc King)



My biggest fear is that it's not a NDA that prevent Ed from answering, but the fact the he doesn't know
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Asgetrion
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Most Respected Ed and Lady THO,

I wish to add to my previous post that the 'revelation' about Hesperdan's potential identity in 'Swords of Dragonfire' was a brilliant and absolutely chilling piece of Realmslore - my thanks for it! =)

And I also forgot to mention how much my own DMing has been influenced by all that ('high' and 'low') intrigue and 'character interaction' (I cannot think of a better term) you've shown us in your Realms novels. Your stories have added many layers of complexity into my campaigns -- not to forget an ever-increasing number of scheming merchants, nobles, War Wizards, Harpers, Zhentarim mages, weird cultists and many, many others who generally seek to complicate the lives of the PCs =)

P.S. It was fun to have some glimpses into the Knights romping through the Haunted Halls in 'Swords of Eveningstar', and compare that to our own experiences in those same rooms (that were mentioned in the novel :)

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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Sage and Arkhaedun, indulge us for a moment, please. Ed will return to lore replies forthwith, but folks are upset and he wants to address that. So . . .

Hi again, everyone. Ed is remaining true to his promise to “be here” for scribes, but warns that he just can’t answer as freely as he might, not just because of NDAs and not wanting to damage the process of unfolding the Realms, but because so much just isn’t known yet (by him, and presumably by most others) about specifics of the 4e Realms.
However, without further jabber from me, heeeeere’s Ed:



Hello, all. I continue to receive e-mails, phone calls, snail mail letters, and in-person queries, beefs, and pleas for reassurance from longtime Realms fans - - and continue to be humbled by the depth of your feeling for the Realms. Thank you, everyone.
Though I am frantically busy trying to get things done before flying off to Australia (during which trip I will almost certainly fall e-silent, BTW) I will try to respond to scribes who have posted in this thread, as I come to your posts in the e-mails THO forwards me.

Red Walker, you’re welcome, thanks for the love, and you are very, very right to say: “Fear of change is natural, and greater fear of Big changes is too!”......
.....
Love To All,
THO



Yerself and Lady THO have earned it many times over!!!
Know that this Scribe is with ye, and riding like hell to keep up with that damned horse of yours!!

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Mkhaiwati
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yummmm... fresh trout. I am going trout fishing in a couple of weekends... (sorry, my wife complains I think with my stomach, not my head [or the other thing guys think with])

Thank you for your kind words regarding the anxiety over 4e. I am in the wait and see crowd, just not optimistic. But the real question has not been asked of you, yet: Will there still be a Candlekeep in the Realms? In another thread, I offered several suggestions on new names; Hamsterburg, Furrykeep, and Big Al's Diner and Chapbook Emporium.

On a slightly more serious question, I have always had a soft part in my heart (not stomach) for Lurue since I read your and THO's recollections with this goddess. The gamebooks portray her as kind of a second-rate nature goddess and very under appreciated. I always liked her as your force, almost embodiment of the Weave. Since her fate in 4e is probably NDA'd, hypothetically, in your world with her as the Weave, how would the possible destruction of the Weave affect her? Seriously weakened or gone altogether? Or reborn as something else?

Thank You

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

I have a quick question for Ed with regard to 4ed Realms (Which Im hoping wont be stopped by NDAs)

Is the 4ed realms set in 1385 (ie at the Start of Spellplague) or a hundred years from now? (ie 1485 when Drizzt is writing his "essays" in Orc King)



My biggest fear is that it's not a NDA that prevent Ed from answering, but the fact the he doesn't know



He's pretty much stated that he either doesn't know or can't say:

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

(snip)
Ed is remaining true to his promise to “be here” for scribes, but warns that he just can’t answer as freely as he might, not just because of NDAs and not wanting to damage the process of unfolding the Realms, but because so much just isn’t known yet (by him, and presumably by most others) about specifics of the 4e Realms.

(snip)

IF there’s a hundred-year jump

(snip)




So, while there is much uncertainty and strong feelings, we are all basically waiting on what WotC tells us. We're on their schedule.

And I, too, would really prefer to see the 4E talk go back into scrolls dedicated to such topics. I'm sure we all appreciate what Ed and his lovely assistant have said. And we know Ed will say more when he can, and we know that, for many reasons, he's got to be careful about what he says and when he says it. So let's all respect that, and stick to the purpose of this scroll: asking the man himself about the current and past Realms.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Mkhaiwati

On a slightly more serious question, I have always had a soft part in my heart (not stomach) for Lurue since I read your and THO's recollections with this goddess.


Lurue is my fave Realms deity, as well, mainly because of the Knights of the Unicorn. Any deity that favors a happily whimsical group is a deity for me!

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Reading Ed's generous reply, and thinking back to a conversation I had this morning with a self-employed contractor, on "who does good in a big corporate organization," and why strong individuals almost always get the hell out and strike it out on their own, I have a theory:

--> Spineless men with low self-esteem will be the downfall of our age. People who can't say "NO" to their bosses; People who fire good people who help around the office sans tracking their billable hours to the last second; People who hire yes-men. I'm not sure if this slow eroding of all that is good can be partly attributed to the typical, rampant and growing atheism that has been prevalent in the last two decades, but this dull apathy is really infiltrating all aspects of our modern world right now.

To country houses, low-wage self-employment and happiness! Thanks for the Realms so far Ed! I'll keep 'em somewhere safe, and shine them once in a while...

Edit: Ed, I think I want to write a book called "How to become a Hermit and still eat three times a day while owning your house." Any advice/input/recommendations?

Edited by - Purple Dragon Knight on 17 Sep 2007 03:35:11
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Neriandal Freit
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My great appreciations Ed. I realized much of what you said after I awoke this morning thinking "Ok, wait. Ed and the others have tried to place Realms as a "Real World" world. Things like this do happen." but to such an extent and in such a short period is chaotic, and I suppose at the end of the day it fits the Realms proper.

Maybe it just bites the big one because I'm reading Lisa Smedmans books, and with the Timeline out now I go "Ok, so let's see...it's now almost logical that in the third book that Lloth gains more power from Ghaundura, leaving her and her daughter." Yet we still don't know the outcome (you might).

Then you got something like your scene in EL's Daughter which was just a "she's a person." moment. That's something I don't get to experience very often and fear I won't get to really understand and relate to in the 'new' Realms. I love it when Elaine writes anything about Lirel. She is such a powerful, true and real character and I hate to ponder now that within ten years of the newest venture we briefly got to see with her and her girls, and how powerful she was already becoming within Mystra's following, it could be gone. (Although I hope she isn't. Or her father)

It's just alot of things I can personally relate to and feel that are in peril now (as I know you better understand then any of us (well, besides that woman standing in the corner there giving me that smile)) to be gone to the winds for ever.

Thank you, I appreciate it! May have came off differently had I had sleep before I read everything like I did last night. I will certainly post (or hope that another contact here) will let you know when the Compendium comes out with my Redeemers. Been told they're 'unique' which is hard for the Realms.

Edit: In other words, I will remain loyal (albeit my buying of any new books will be very select unless they involve something of major interest) will slim down until I see what we got going on.

"Eating people is wrong...unless it's on the first date." - Ed Greenwood, GenCon Indy 2006

Edited by - Neriandal Freit on 17 Sep 2007 04:04:20
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I wish to add to my previous post that the 'revelation' about Hesperdan's potential identity in 'Swords of Dragonfire' was a brilliant and absolutely chilling piece of Realmslore - my thanks for it! =)



I might as well ask. Am I just crazy, or is Hesperdan a secret identity of Elminster? There are some clues in Hesperdan's appearances that have lead me to wonder such. It's silly, I know...

I also want to say a big THANK YOU to Ed and THO for discussing the 4E changes with us. Ed said a much more than I thought he would, and it means a lot. The Realms is a second home for me, the place I go to when I need to "escape" for a while. To see it changed so much is utterly heartbreaking.

Take care,

RF

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I hate to sound like I'm chiming in just so say "me too," but I really do appreciate the time that Ed and THO have taken to address some of the concerns that we might have about the potential changes to the Realms. I may not be following the Realms into 4th edition, but I have loved the place for 20 years, so I am loathe to give it up entirely.


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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion


I wish to add to my previous post that the 'revelation' about Hesperdan's potential identity in 'Swords of Dragonfire' was a brilliant and absolutely chilling piece of Realmslore - my thanks for it! =)



I might as well ask. Am I just crazy, or is Hesperdan a secret identity of Elminster? There are some clues in Hesperdan's appearances that have lead me to wonder such. It's silly, I know...
Ed has dropped a few hints re: Hesperdan. What I can glean is that Hesperdan exists as a very powerful, shadowy figure within the Zhentarim who basically allowed Manshoon and now Fzoul to be the head honcho of the organisation (for reasons unknown) and that Elminster, knowing this, masquerades as Hesperdan on occasion to muck about with Zhent plots and personnel OR Elminster IS Hesperdan, using this guise to destabilize the Zhentarim on needful occasions. Ed hasn't seen fit to confirm which is the correct theory but did obliquely state that one was correct.

And this from Ed, in Jan '06 -

"You’re very, very welcome, George. As always. I salute you as a tireless Lorelord of the Realms, rescuing us all time and time again.
As to why “How Wisdom Came To The Maimed Wizard” made you think Elminster has been masquerading as Hesperdan (or may be Hesperdan)? Must be the very broad hints I wrote into it.
I’ll keep to hinting rather than confirming outright, but someone dwelling in the Realms who attended certain Magefairs would insist that El and Hesperdan are two separate people (because they were seen in the same place at the same time, though not actually standing and talking together). Which of course strengthens the “masquerading as” possibility (the other weakening further when one considers how hard it would be to do all that El does and still have time to put in any appearances as Hesperdan at all: a Zhent whose survival may well be imperilled, in such an authoritarian organization, by unexplained absences). Which in turn raises the why (exactly) is Elminster adopting the guise of Hesperdan, and also HOW is he managing it (is Hesperdan in cahoots with him? Under his total domination? Can be subsumed mentally, as El “takes over” the body, due to some already-cast spell or curse or . . .?
We just don’t know. Yet. I can let slip that Hesperdan has an important future role to play, but we may not see much of it “onstage,” as it were.
Which should leave a lot of scribes going: Hmmm.
Which is as good a place as any to take my leave. :}

So saith Ed. Slyly bailing old dog that he is.
Oh, yes: he hasn’t forgotten that Gerath Hoan asked about Hesperdan, too, and hopes G - H will see from this reply that for the nonce Ed can’t be more specific about the mysterious Hesperdan . . .
love,
THO"

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Thank you for posting that, Sage--I had never seen that bit of lore before. So, that leaves me...right back where I started.

Take care,

RF

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The Hooded One
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And you'll see Hesperdan at work again (though perhaps not actually onstage) in THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, the third Knights novel. Ed also tells me that Vangey and Alusair have more than one "confrontation," we get glimpses of Lady Targrael and our old friends the Spurbrights, and . . . and there's this sword, that doesn't sleep, see?
Ed will return with more Realmslore on the morrow, I hope. He was wrting something in a hurry for someone to use re. the Emmys, I understand.
love to all,
THO
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And you'll see Hesperdan at work again (though perhaps not actually onstage) in THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, the third Knights novel. Ed also tells me that Vangey and Alusair have more than one "confrontation," we get glimpses of Lady Targrael and our old friends the Spurbrights, and . . . and there's this sword, that doesn't sleep, see?
Ed will return with more Realmslore on the morrow, I hope. He was wrting something in a hurry for someone to use re. the Emmys, I understand.
love to all,
THO



Oh boy, more "too arrogant for her own good" Lady Targrael. That should be interesting...

Good to know we'll see more of Hesperdan, too!

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Hi. All standard praises apply ;)

My question is on Shadowdancers. In Faerun, what are the ties (if any) between Shadowdancers, Shadows (undead creatures), the Plane of Shadows, the Shadovar, the Shadow Weave, and the Goddess Shar?

All of a Shadowdancers powers come from an affinity with something that is often lumped into 'evil' and 'darkness'. The plane of Shadows is a scary evil place, Shadows are evil, life hating undead, etc.

Yet Shadowdancers themselves can be good and are often played a mischievous and fun loving.

So I'm often unsure how to run situations in which Shadowdancers are dealing with antagonists that come from shadow.
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Hi, all. Ed of the Greenwood returns with a Realmslore reply, this time to Foxhelm’s query: “ Here's an interesting question: Can the shockwave from a smokepowder explosion put out a fire? I know in the real world that a low explosive like Blackpowder can't do it, but a higher explosive can.
Or could a wizard use a sonic burst to put out a fire? Cause I know that a low frequency sonic pressure wave can put out fire from the real world.
(Information gained from a Mythbuster Episode)”
Ed responds:



Yes to both (smokepowder and sonic burst). However, conditions have to be “just right,” so it happens very rarely.
Most smokepowder explosions are too small, and the fire isn’t the right distance from the blast, or there are obstacles or uneven ground between that means the fire might be scattered (sometimes flaming embers are hurled quite a distance, to start other fires), lessened, or temporarily disrupted, rather than extinguished.
Sonic bursts manage it more often, because wizards who practice casting them get to know just where and how to unleash those magics to quell a fire. A mage who’s never done it before under the specific conditions, or not recently, however, is still unlikely to get the fire completely out. Moreover, neither extinguishment method is effective against huge fires (entire city block aflame, or a big siege tower) or “creeping” fires (smouldering hay, a seam of clay, or leafy forest dirt burning underground and flaring up from time to time aboveground).
So it CAN be done, but . . .



So saith Ed, Mythbuster watcher. He met them two GenCons back, and has always been struck by how much one of them resembles Zeb Cook (as Zeb looked in the days of TSR).
love to all,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

So saith Ed, Mythbuster watcher. He met them two GenCons back, and has always been struck by how much one of them resembles Zeb Cook (as Zeb looked in the days of TSR).
love to all,
THO




They're gamers? Wow... (I watch that show occasionally, too!)

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And you'll see Hesperdan at work again (though perhaps not actually onstage) in THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, the third Knights novel. Ed also tells me that Vangey and Alusair have more than one "confrontation," we get glimpses of Lady Targrael and our old friends the Spurbrights, and . . . and there's this sword, that doesn't sleep, see?



I wonder if this is a reference to 'The Sleeping Sword' of Cormyr, which would be very exciting, indeed!

Milady, please pass on the following questions to Ed (I seem to be getting more and more forgetful by each passing year -- I was supposed to ask these in my previous "list" ;)

7) Apparently the village of Drawn Swords is built on the site where an orc realm or kingdom was 'shattered' -- what can you tell about this orcish realm and its history?

8) Based on what little knowledge I have about oral storytelling traditions of Ancient Greece, I personally suspect that most storytellers did not actually memorize complete tales by heart. Instead, they might have improvised a lot with memorized 'parts' or chapters, which would have led to many variations of these tales (evident if you take a look at Homer's Odyssey). Is this how oral storytelling works in the Realms, too, or do bards and storytellers actually seek to faithfully memorize all the songs, stories, poetry and tales by heart? (Finder Wyvernspur's frantic efforts to 'record' his songs would indicate that they -- and any sort of 'recording magics' -- are rare folk, indeed).

9) How much local traditions affect 'generally' known folktales or songs in the Realms, and are there any such that could be compared to our world's 'Little Red Riding Hood' (for example)? Do the subjects and genres vary a lot by region, such as fables and fairy tales being more common in the Dalelands and the North ("Beware of the Big Bad Wolf of Malar!" ;) and is there typically a 'lesson' included in such stories?

10) Have there ever been any sort of 'compilations' of such tales or songs, such as 'The Collected Folktales of the North', or do bards (for example) prefer to write down (publish) only their own works? (In essence, I'm asking if any wandering bards, sages or storytellers have ever been interested in spending years on gathering regional oral tradition?)

11) Are there any ('as yet unrevealed in canon Realmslore') famous 'master storytellers' -- especially those who are renown for their excellent memory (e.g. they remember a thousand different stories and songs 'as they were originally written')? I could very well picture such people being constantly harassed by individual bards and the priesthoods of Deneir and Oghma (and even the Sages of Candlekeep ;)

My humble thanks once again! =)

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-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm

Edited by - Asgetrion on 18 Sep 2007 00:31:55
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Hi, Asgetrion. Your Question 8, above, breaks off in mid-sentence. Before I shuttle these off to Ed, would you like to stitch the missing words back on?
love,
THO
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