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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
1564 Posts

Posted - 18 Sep 2007 :  00:34:01  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, Asgetrion. Your Question 8, above, breaks off in mid-sentence. Before I shuttle these off to Ed, would you like to stitch the missing words back on?
love,
THO



Ah, what did I say about becoming more and more forgetful?
Thanks, Milady -- it's fixed now!

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 18 Sep 2007 :  05:31:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Another swift, short reply by Ed to a recent and straightforward Realmslore question by Blueblade (shades of the “quickies” from the end of 2006): “The terrain and "cover" around Everlund: how wild is it? How easy is it for, say, a "good at what they do" orc raiding party to sneak up to the edges of Everlund by night without being seen by average joes (I'm not talking "can scan with magic" types, here), smelled by stabled horses or livestock hobbled outdoors in paddocks, etc.? Thanks”
Ed replies:



Everlund has both a traditional cobbled-streets, built-up central area, and extensive “verges” (suburbs, if you like, though I hate that word when applied to any non-real-world setting) that consist of wooded rolling hills where many mansions, keeps, and more modest cottages stand (some of them hidden in trees, some of them tucked between hills in their own little “dells,” and a few of them crowning hilltops. The hills are small, with few rocky outcrops and a lot of topsoil, meadows are found wherever the trees have been cit back, and the area is very well watered (lots of ponds and springs).
In short, there’s a LOT of cover, and a skilled raiding party can sneak up on or even “between and past” these edges-of-Everlund dwellings with comparative ease. Yes, some magic is used for spying and warning systems, when trouble is expected, but not everyone has access to magic, or would spend it on such a “small precious candle in the great darkness” use.



So saith Ed. Creator of Everlund, of course.


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Verghityax
Learned Scribe

131 Posts

Posted - 18 Sep 2007 :  13:11:33  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
Dear Ed and beloved Lady Hooded One,
I've got a question concerning Daerlun. I hope it is not under NDA. In the 2nd edition 'Adventures' sourcebook there is a map of Daerlun. However it has only four locations marked. If it is possible I would like to know where on the map are the following locations:
1. The Black Banner Inn
2. Alask's Arrow
3. The Mighty Mace
4. The Old Plough
5. HQ of Firehands Group Trading Coster
6. Dwellings of any of the following individuals: Aerbront, Elmareen Whistestone, Sandar Kathklan, Harlyn Grimmerhand, Minthalar Many-eyed, Othnyl Risingstone.
And one more thing. Is Halath Tymmyr still the nominal ruler of the city and is Allathast still commander of the guard. I realize that I ask for much, therefore I will be very grateful for any info Ed could provide me with.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 18 Sep 2007 :  21:24:59  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Well met! Ed has made it clear that divine magic on Toril comes solely from the gods, so I wonder how Ed would suggest dealing with Heroes of Horror classes like the Archivist and Death Delver (?) who can cast divine spells using "prayerbooks" in the first case and some mysterious and unknown source in the second? Is it possible on Toril to cast "divine" spells by channeling the unthinking forces of positive and negative energy, or must some deity focus that power into clerical magic?

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eiglos
Acolyte

United Kingdom
12 Posts

Posted - 18 Sep 2007 :  22:59:14  Show Profile Send eiglos a Private Message
Many thanks Ed for the kind words regarding my Priestess of Lurue. I shall see what the future holds for the Realms and Lurue. Many thanks too for all the Realmslore you and The Hooded One bring to us all.

Is there any word yet on the more recent history of the Knights of the Unicorn or is the dreaded NDA still in force?


Edited by - eiglos on 19 Sep 2007 19:14:23
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  01:54:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes. This time Ed makes reply to words scribe Victor_ograygor asked me to forward to him: “Ed I hope that we one day are going to here your personally wives on the changes on Forgotten Realms, and not only that we have to take it easy and see what happens. Sorry if I offend you with my Pirate ship terrorises but these changes are absolutely ridicules. I have been a gamer since some of the first FR material came out and our group now (oldies) still gather and play FR, and we all agree that these changes a really not you at all. I really feel that a line should be drawn here, from both gamers and designers.
I am sorry to say that I (we) are not going to buy these 4 ed changes and I hope and think that many other gamers are going to follow these foot steps.
Ps: A man working on a pirate ship is either a slave ore a pirate
And a slave usually doesn’t have anything to say…”
Ed replies:


Hi, Victor. I quite understand how you (and your group) feel, and I’m not going to say that you’re wrong or try to convince you otherwise. You should do what works for you as a gamer, just all the rest of us should. Many of the original Realms players had a “WTF?” reaction, initially, too, but being gamers, they will peek at 4e before deciding: gamers always have to look at the new stuff to see what it’s really like.
I’m a gamer, so: So do I.
I asked everyone to wait and see because that’s all any of us (yes, including me!) can do, thus far. We haven’t seen enough to know how “good” or “bad” things are going to be. I am hearing a lot of negative opinion, but haven’t seen much of what those opinions are based on. Yes, “one day” I will have my say on the changes, when the time is right. It’s not right yet, because I haven’t seen the changes (nor do I think any one product will reveal them all, at once).
I will stick with the Realms because I love it and created it and have spent forty years working on it and intend that it shall be the best it can be, for everyone (old fans, new fans, fiction-only readers, Wizards; EVERYONE). I will keep on trying to do that. I know many of the staff members of Wizards of the Coast personally, and they don’t strike me as evil, or non-gamers, or people who are either stupid or bad-natured. I’m waiting to see what they do to the Realms (because that’s all I CAN do: wait).
But as for your pirate ship comment: I’m not working on the pirate ship.
Right now, I’m forty years back from current (“old,” if you prefer) Realmstime, finishing the third Knights of Myth Drannor novel.
In other words, I’m what I’ve always been: a hard-working slave on a grand old ship that I built and a lot of other people have improved, that’s been sailing along these forty years, and certainly hasn’t gone “pirate” yet.
You seem to think I am on the staff of Wizards of the Coast (which I have NEVER been, nor yet its predecessor, TSR). I am a gamer, a freelancer who doesn’t even live in the same country as the publisher of the game. If I’m working on that pirate ship, then every gamer who proposed, wrote, and managed to get published an article for DRAGON or DUNGEON is, too. As an analogy, your pirate ship scenario just doesn’t hold, and because it describes the situation so inaccurately, is, yes, offensive (just as many of your countrymen probably don’t like being confused with the native inhabitants of Germany, Sweden, Finland, and Norway by someone who says “those people who live in that part of the world, they’re all the same,” right?). The company OWNS the game; what they do with it just can’t accurately be described as "piracy."
However, that’s your opinion and you’re perfectly entitled to it. Though when THO and I both tell you you’re wrong, in something pertaining to the Realms, I would listen if I were you; arguing with us is, to borrow your word, “ridiculous.”
Yet I say again: wait and see. By “see,” I mean have a look at that new FRCS when it comes out (no, I don’t mean buy it, necessarily; plenty of folks will be discussing it and stores will have it for you to eyeball and no doubt Wizards will have previews on their website). If you hate it, then you probably will have to step back from buying new FR products. Which of course DOESN’T mean saying farewell to the Realms; it just makes it yours, to run as you will (and I’m sure many other scribes will be improvising their own futures for the Realms, just as you are, if ideas ever fail your group).
When that new FRCS comes out, ask me again about the “new” Realms, okay? I'll be perfectly happy to chat with you again, now or then. Anyone who's played in the Realms since the Old Gray Box is great in my books!
Ed


So saith Ed. Creator of the Realms, and its most faithful booster and detailer, down all the years.
love to all,
THO



Edited by - The Hooded One on 19 Sep 2007 01:54:54
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe

688 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  02:08:34  Show Profile  Visit Wandering_mage's Homepage Send Wandering_mage a Private Message
I am moved to see such emotion in your reply Ed. Hang in there friend.

Illum
The Wandering Mage
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Warrax
Learned Scribe

Canada
128 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  02:15:38  Show Profile  Visit Warrax's Homepage  Click to see Warrax's MSN Messenger address Send Warrax a Private Message
A wonderful and passionate reply, as befitting its author. Thanks for that.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader

USA
3523 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  02:35:53  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
Thats why we love Ed.

Passion.

Truth. Without BS. Even if it is not what someone wants to hear.

Honor.

Willingness to go the extra mile for us.


P.S. Were also pretty damn impressed that THO regards him so highly!!!

P.S.S. Or are we jealous???

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Agis_of_Asticles
Seeker

Brazil
17 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  03:33:29  Show Profile  Visit Agis_of_Asticles's Homepage Send Agis_of_Asticles a Private Message
Hi Ed/THO,

I´m DMing a FR campaign, 3rd edition, but I'm aways looking for information at 2nd edition sourcebooks.

Reading the Wizards and Rogues of the Realms, I saw a refernce to the Guild of Shadows at the introductory text of the Shadow Walkers.

In my searchs for this guild and their members [the shadow walkers] at the 3rd edition books, I can't find anything about those. Is there some FR 3rd edition book that explain this class and your organization?


Sorry guys. Bad english, I know.

“While the wise may worship, only fools bow and wait.”
A North’s saying [FR]

Suporting the petition to our local [Brazil] publisher of Wizards [Devir] to publish more translated books. [http://www.petitiononline.com/DevirRPG/petition.html]

Edited by - Agis_of_Asticles on 19 Sep 2007 03:35:14
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Bruce Donohue
Learned Scribe

Canada
129 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  06:23:13  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
Hello Dear Mistress Hooded,

I thought I would liven the mood up a little bit.

Here is my question to Ed


Greetings Ed...

Knowing your originaly group of player characters, and speaking of the one that plays Laeral...

In light of Steven's excellent novel on Khelben and the wonderful gem of Laeral being pregnant with twins here is my question.

One: How do you think the player character who plays Laeral in your group would roleplay a hormonal pregnant Chosen of Mystra?

Two: Now having said that Ed... can you possibly gift us with a little bit of prose (especially knowing how wonderfully colorful Laeral can be in her humour) as only you can, on how Laeral would be,(given that she is the first Chosen to be pregnant from another Chosen), and would react in all her hormonal glory both good and wonderfully moody while pregnant or even more intriguing at that delivery?

Sidenote and insider for both Ed and Hooded... I am having the pesky one, Vorn enjoying eating popcorn and waiting for this answer in mischevious anticipation. Oh Hooded and no he is not saying "Oh I am going to be an Aunty", well maybe for Vorn that wouldn't be such a stretch for him to say.

Edited by - Bruce Donohue on 19 Sep 2007 06:26:18
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Swordsage
Learned Scribe

136 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  09:15:37  Show Profile  Visit Swordsage's Homepage Send Swordsage a Private Message
Laeral and all the Chosen were always NPCs in Ed Greenwood's home Realms campaign - even Dove Falconhand who was one of the Knights of Myth Drannor. If you want to know how a pregnant Chosen would be roleplayed, you'll have to ask Mr Greenwood. he'd be the only one who's ever done it, if at all.

The Swordsage
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Bruce Donohue
Learned Scribe

Canada
129 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  12:30:08  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
Thanks Swordsage, see option two in my question ;)
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createvmind
Senior Scribe

490 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  21:14:24  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Ed I think this one is right up your alley, I have a PC who is a Half-orc, his Barbarian mother was raped by orcs and left for dead and found by a dwarf scouting party from Sundabar (His background write up). The mother dies in childbirth and the dwarf clan of Highrock take pity upon him and decide to raise him (he might have read a novel regarding Wulgar's adoption). So he grows up as a dwarf in his eyes and even worships Clanggedin.

Here's were it gets interesting, I often use Banes and Boons for players and he rolled a curse, so I added in his background that the brawny teen while scouting with his dwarf "father" are set upon by orcs. In the process he deals a mortal blow to the orc shaman and the orc shaman invokes ol One eye in his dying curse that the PC in neglecting his orc blood will be blind to all those of orc blood, basically all orc blooded creatures are invisible to him, including himself.

Now my question really is how are half orcs recieved in the North and more importantly in the Western Heartlands, he has just recently requested to be leader of the party and I want to know how will the locals deal with him being a half-orc. Will authorities choose not to deal with him in Scornubel and Elturel simply because of his race, Ohhh he also talks like a dwarf as well so that's another factor, his manner of speaking and lack of ....tact. He for some reason has nothing nice to say about elves so I'm wondering does Claggedin consider him a follower or is he screwed simply for being a half-orc? Secondly a god enforced curse I assume requires another god to aid in lifting the curse and with him bad mouthing Corelleon which I assumed would be his best hope of lifting the curse being Grummsh's archenemy is he truly screwed?

By choosing to be the leader is he creating more obstacles and shutting doors for the group due to being a Half-orc who also happens to acts like a dwarf?
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore

Denmark
1063 Posts

Posted - 19 Sep 2007 :  23:21:13  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, fellow scribes. This time Ed makes reply to words scribe Victor_ograygor asked me to forward to him: “Ed I hope that we one day are going to here your personally wives on the changes on Forgotten Realms, and not only that we have to take it easy and see what happens. Sorry if I offend you with my Pirate ship terrorises but these changes are absolutely ridicules. I have been a gamer since some of the first FR material came out and our group now (oldies) still gather and play FR, and we all agree that these changes a really not you at all. I really feel that a line should be drawn here, from both gamers and designers.
I am sorry to say that I (we) are not going to buy these 4 ed changes and I hope and think that many other gamers are going to follow these foot steps.
Ps: A man working on a pirate ship is either a slave ore a pirate
And a slave usually doesn’t have anything to say…”
Ed replies:


Hi, Victor. I quite understand how you (and your group) feel, and I’m not going to say that you’re wrong or try to convince you otherwise. You should do what works for you as a gamer, just all the rest of us should. Many of the original Realms players had a “WTF?” reaction, initially, too, but being gamers, they will peek at 4e before deciding: gamers always have to look at the new stuff to see what it’s really like.
I’m a gamer, so: So do I.
I asked everyone to wait and see because that’s all any of us (yes, including me!) can do, thus far. We haven’t seen enough to know how “good” or “bad” things are going to be. I am hearing a lot of negative opinion, but haven’t seen much of what those opinions are based on. Yes, “one day” I will have my say on the changes, when the time is right. It’s not right yet, because I haven’t seen the changes (nor do I think any one product will reveal them all, at once).
I will stick with the Realms because I love it and created it and have spent forty years working on it and intend that it shall be the best it can be, for everyone (old fans, new fans, fiction-only readers, Wizards; EVERYONE). I will keep on trying to do that. I know many of the staff members of Wizards of the Coast personally, and they don’t strike me as evil, or non-gamers, or people who are either stupid or bad-natured. I’m waiting to see what they do to the Realms (because that’s all I CAN do: wait).
But as for your pirate ship comment: I’m not working on the pirate ship.
Right now, I’m forty years back from current (“old,” if you prefer) Realmstime, finishing the third Knights of Myth Drannor novel.
In other words, I’m what I’ve always been: a hard-working slave on a grand old ship that I built and a lot of other people have improved, that’s been sailing along these forty years, and certainly hasn’t gone “pirate” yet.
You seem to think I am on the staff of Wizards of the Coast (which I have NEVER been, nor yet its predecessor, TSR). I am a gamer, a freelancer who doesn’t even live in the same country as the publisher of the game. If I’m working on that pirate ship, then every gamer who proposed, wrote, and managed to get published an article for DRAGON or DUNGEON is, too. As an analogy, your pirate ship scenario just doesn’t hold, and because it describes the situation so inaccurately, is, yes, offensive (just as many of your countrymen probably don’t like being confused with the native inhabitants of Germany, Sweden, Finland, and Norway by someone who says “those people who live in that part of the world, they’re all the same,” right?). The company OWNS the game; what they do with it just can’t accurately be described as "piracy."
However, that’s your opinion and you’re perfectly entitled to it. Though when THO and I both tell you you’re wrong, in something pertaining to the Realms, I would listen if I were you; arguing with us is, to borrow your word, “ridiculous.”
Yet I say again: wait and see. By “see,” I mean have a look at that new FRCS when it comes out (no, I don’t mean buy it, necessarily; plenty of folks will be discussing it and stores will have it for you to eyeball and no doubt Wizards will have previews on their website). If you hate it, then you probably will have to step back from buying new FR products. Which of course DOESN’T mean saying farewell to the Realms; it just makes it yours, to run as you will (and I’m sure many other scribes will be improvising their own futures for the Realms, just as you are, if ideas ever fail your group).
When that new FRCS comes out, ask me again about the “new” Realms, okay? I'll be perfectly happy to chat with you again, now or then. Anyone who's played in the Realms since the Old Gray Box is great in my books!
Ed


So saith Ed. Creator of the Realms, and its most faithful booster and detailer, down all the years.
love to all,
THO






Thanks Ed fore your fast replay

Yes you are quite right about the “WTF” Reaction, and yes you’re are also quite right about giving it a chance to explain what happened in 4 edition before we criticise it, even if I can’t imagine how this can make the realms a better place.

Many people playing Forgotten Realms are mad / disappointed and can’t understand what’s going one with all the changes, and the only reason I and many others react so negative, is because we care fore the realms.

I will ask you again when the new FRCS comes out…

Vic

Victor Ograygor The Assassin and Candel keeps cellar master

Everything I need to know about life I learned from killing smart people.

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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  01:30:21  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

First of all, I'd like to thank Ed (and THO) for the reassurances about the 4th Edition Realms (especially the responses to my questions/whining , helped put things into better perspective). I'm definitely keeping my options open at this point, and will wait and see how things go next year when they release the FRCS (at this point, I plan only to flip through it in the game shop, but if it excites me (which at this point is unlikely, but I suppose that could change) I will probably buy it). (I am quite intrigued by 4th Ed Dungeons and Dragons, though...)

Now, with that out of the way... One or two people (on the Wizards board) have made the suggestion that a fan-based alternate time line/history could be developed, to by-pass this latest RSE. Someone mentioned that you'd once written how you'd see the Realms 100 years into the future (apparently somewhere on this board - if anyone could direct me to the post, it would be most helpful)... But basically, I wanted to see what you thought of the idea of a fan maintained alternate time line/history to the official one? Do you think fans would run into problems with the issues of Intellectual Property, Trademarks, and/or Copyrights (I have a vague feeling they would, but I'm not really an expert on copyrights/trademarks and intellectual property)?

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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SoulCatcher78
Acolyte

2 Posts

Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  03:40:02  Show Profile  Visit SoulCatcher78's Homepage Send SoulCatcher78 a Private Message
Thank you for taking the time to interact with us.

Will there be a book of source material we are all likely to be interested in (lost years might be along the lines of Lost Empires)ever be possible? Maybe something like "top 10 homes of (hopefully) long dead wizards"? I recently picked up the Lost Empires of Faerun and am having an enjoyable read with it (looking back in some cases over 20,000 years is awe inspiring to say the least).

Without knowing how magic melts down (specifically), I'd have to wonder if there're quite a few wizards' lairs ready to be explored now.

Final questions; is the Spellplague the upcoming event that was alluded to at the end of Expedition to Undermountain? If so, does this mean that Halaster really isn't coming back?

Save the Succubus, Save the Wheel
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maransreth
Seeker

Australia
73 Posts

Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  11:05:48  Show Profile  Visit maransreth's Homepage  Click to see maransreth's MSN Messenger address Send maransreth a Private Message
My first question to Ed (Hi The Hooded One *waves*) -

Now that the cat has been let out of the bag with what the Spellplague is, is Ed at liberty to mention what the hint/clue from the 1e Grey Box is?

Enjoy your time in Australia Ed! If I had known sooner that he was coming out this way, I would have made it a point to try and be there.

Duane
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe

USA
561 Posts

Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  15:35:29  Show Profile Send WalkerNinja a Private Message
Ed,

As you probably know, Robert Jordan (the nom de plum of James Rigny) died yesterday. In my mind the two of you have been locked in mortal combat for the status of My Favorite Author for over a decade. I was wondering if you knew him, what you thought of him, and of his contributions to the fantasy genre.

Additionally, would you consider completing the 12th and final book of the Wheel of Time Series as he died in the middle of writing it? I know that his entire fanbase, grieved as we are for his death are in utter hysterics over not getting to see the end of his wonderful saga.

-WalkerNinja-

*** A Forgotten Realms Addict since 1990 ***
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Edited by - WalkerNinja on 20 Sep 2007 15:36:12
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  16:10:42  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. I sent Ed the latest batch of scribes’ posts, including this one from WalkerNinja: “Ed, As you probably know, Robert Jordan (the nom de plume of James Rigney) died yesterday. In my mind the two of you have been locked in mortal combat for the status of My Favorite Author for over a decade. I was wondering if you knew him, what you thought of him, and of his contributions to the fantasy genre.
Additionally, would you consider completing the 12th and final book of the Wheel of Time Series as he died in the middle of writing it? I know that his entire fanbase, grieved as we are for his death are in utter hysterics over not getting to see the end of his wonderful saga.”
Ed replied almost INSTANTLY, and apologized that ‘real life’ is making his replies a little spotty now and for the next few days (time for his stress echo with his cardiologist 120 miles away, library board meetings, etc.). Here’s what Ed had to say:


I met “Robert Jordan” once, briefly, and we had a very nice chat. He struck me as a well-read, intelligent, sensitive man. I liked him, and regret his passing. It wasn’t as much of a blow as, say, the loss of Roger Zelazny, because I knew just how grave his situation was for longer.
He was a giant in modern fantasy publishing. Some readers (including me) LOVED “The Eye of the World” but thought the series grew too long and confused in its pacing in some of the later books. However, I kept reading, just as most of them did. :}
As a library worker, I noticed that like Eddings, Rowling, and Tolkien, his books appealed to people who “don’t like and read that fantasy stuff” as well as to fantasy readers. He transcended the genre.
As a result, he was THE heavy hitter (in terms of sales) at one of my publishers, Tor (Terry Goodkind being the runner-up).
He had been ill for some time, and a number of Tor writers (very privately) discussed whether it would be possible or appropriate for us to “gang write” the last book and finish it if he didn’t live to do so. The consensus was, we should not if the man himself didn’t want us to (as he once stated), but that we would jump at the chance to do it, for free, if his wife (and series editor) Harriet ever asked us to (as Mr. Rigney later said Harriet should finish it if she wanted to). PLEASE understand that, even typing this, I feel incredibly presumptuous; we were reacting as heart-torn fans, desperately wanting the tale to stand complete.
The Wheel of Time should be finished (IF possible to a worthy standard); “unfinished tales” disappoint, weaken, and sadden us all. Even if the decision is made NOT to finish the last book, I want to see published the fragment that does exist, plus the notes (SUNSET AT BLANDINGS style).
Obviously, Harriet (with or without any assistance she feels she needs or doesn’t need) is THE person to finish A MEMORY OF LIGHT. We know that anything from two-thirds to “90 percent” of the book is done (much of it dictated onto tape), and that when very ill, the man outlined the entire story to family members. So it appears that the tale CAN be finished. I feel strongly that it should be.
I also feel strongly that I’m not worthy to even attempt the task. I would be VERY willing to help, if the man’s family asked me, but I don’t want them to ask me. They can find writers far, far better suited to the task. If Mr. Tom Doherty, who publishes books by me and by Mr. Jordan, asked me to, I would help in any way I could, but would want to know that Harriet, at the very least, wouldn’t object to my involvement. Being immersed in the Realms prevents me from being as deeply immersed in ANY other fantasy setting as I should be, to attempt anything approaching what you suggest.
However, I don’t think any of us need to worry. I spoke with Mr. Doherty at GenCon, and he then expected that the book “will get done.” I expect that it will, too, without any involvement on my part. I trust Tom Doherty absolutely. I respect and trust Mr. Rigney’s family, and believe his wife is the best person on the planet to finish the Wheel of Time saga.
I am confidently awaiting the day when I can buy a big, fat tome entitled A MEMORY OF LIGHT. That tale will be ended forever, I’m afraid, but at least it will be complete.
Ed

So saith Ed. Not much I can or should add to that.
love to all,
THO
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Alisttair
Great Reader

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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  16:19:54  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message
Hi Ed, I saw the interview you did on YouTube from GenCon I think it was. I was just wondering if you will be making more of these (pending of course, people ready to interview you)...I found it very informative and gave us a good look at the realms creator (especially good for those of us who never got to meet you)?

Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)

Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Warrax
Learned Scribe

Canada
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  16:46:32  Show Profile  Visit Warrax's Homepage  Click to see Warrax's MSN Messenger address Send Warrax a Private Message
"Some readers (including me) LOVED “The Eye of the World” but thought the series grew too long and confused in its pacing in some of the later books. However, I kept reading, just as most of them did. :}"

Hahaha... that's exactly how I felt about the Wheel of Time series! Well, maybe not the "too long" part, because I thoroughly enjoyed the length of the series but I'm glad I'm not the only one who loved the characters, loved the earlier stuff, thought it got a little crazy... but kept reading anyway.

RIP James Rigney, one of my favorite authors. I'm impressed that he kept blogging right up until his fading moments here with us, that must have been really tough.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  18:26:12  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Warrax, Ed and I have discussed the Wheel of Time several times in the past, and I believe Ed expressed himself poorly in the passage you quoted. I know from our discussions (and it's clear from the rest of his words, too) that he didn't think the SERIES was too long, but rather that several of the later books were in themselves (within their own covers) too long and confused in pacing: in other words, that within a given book Jordan was juggling too many characters, following too many subplots, and the result was confusing for many readers and less effective than a more straightforward yarn would have been (something Ed has a tendency to do, too, and therefore "looks for" and studies, in the writing of others).
There's no question that "doorstop"-thick fantasy novels in a single sequence have more publishing-industry impact than shorter books that simply share the same world setting (like most of the Realms fiction canon). I'm not saying that the collective sales of the one way are superior to the other, or that either way is preferable or "better." Every publisher (and to the extent that the publisher allows them, every writer) has to follow the way they believe best; some even try different ways and tinker for a bit.
Just trying to clarify; here, I think Ed "misspoke" himself enough to be misunderstood.
love,
THO
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  19:38:27  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
Ed & THO,

Please forgive my gentle prod (pun intended THO), but I will attempt to tear Master Greenwood's attention away from whatever else he is doing and ask him if he might provide an answer to a query of mine that remains unanswered.

Can you please give me some insight on how buildings are covered in glass, such as the one I read about in Baulder's Gate (A temple of Lathander if I remember correctly), and since I have your attention, anything about the great crystals elves use as building material?

Thank you

Currently reading: Eyes of The Dragon by Stephen King

Long live Sniffy Wigglebottom

Edited by - AlorinDawn on 20 Sep 2007 19:38:54
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 :  20:38:07  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
A question regarding the material (and it's name) was asked of Steven Schend by Dagnirion (Lord Karsus at WotC) some time ago -

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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Its name depends on what it's used for, as each is a slightly different form/structure of crystal.

Ela(or)- is the root form, and this stands loosely for "common crystal" as opposed to kiir, which means gem.

Elaegiis is "shielding crystal" and suitable for walls and strong structures. Rarely, it can be used to make shields or armor light in weight and at least as strong as human-made steel at 75% of the weight (and no, I've not statted anything out beyond that--you do the math). This tends to fall on the green side of the spectrum, and the harder the material, the darker the green.

Elaeorynth is "flight/float crystal," which is strong yet flexible, more akin to young wood used for shipbuilding. It's not as strong as the "stone" of elaegiis, and thus it's more toward the olive/spring green tone.

Hope that works for you, Dagnirion (and Wooly, the ol' SJ fan himself).

Steven
who has now to copy all this into his elven glossary notes...

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 20 Sep 2007 20:38:38
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