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WalkerNinja
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  01:53:07  Show Profile Send WalkerNinja a Private Message
Lady THO,

This is less a Realms related question and more an Ed related question. It is the practice of some professional authors (Dan Brown for example) to write the final chapter or epilogue first when writing a novel, and then to trace the route up to that point. Similarly, my History professor recently revealed to us the method by which one should read a book (from his perspective, a perspective shared by many of my professors, no less): That one should begin by reading the introduction, then the conclusion, then re-read the introduction... ponder it, then read the remaining chapters in order. Does Ed share this writing formula? Would he tend to agree with the method proscribed by my professors?

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  03:08:45  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by AlorinDawn

Congrats Ed!



Yes, congrats.

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RodOdom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  03:22:20  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message
Yay !
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  04:25:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
MaxKaladin,
Ed has indeed written up at least six adventuring company charters that I know of.
Unfortunately, all of them are NDA because TSR asked for sample charters in 1986 (and again, more, in 1987) and Ed sent them in via TSR's FedEx account. Which means TSR owns them and controls their publication. Whether or not they can still FIND them is another matter , but doesn't change their legal status.
I have sent your question on to Ed (and Walker Ninja's, and everybody else's ). Ed is rushing to finish six major projects (yes, at once; I don't envy the man - - plus he has to draw up and promote the annual budget of the library board which he chairs; sheesh) right now, so how soon he'll reply is anyone's guess.
love,
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Skeptic
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Unfortunately, all of them are NDA because TSR asked for sample charters in 1986 (and again, more, in 1987) and Ed sent them in via TSR's FedEx account. Which means TSR owns them and controls their publication. Whether or not they can still FIND them is another matter , but doesn't change their legal status.



Can't Ed sit down with someone at WoTC and make some clean up in all this NDA mess ? Many seem so old that I can't believe nothing can be made...
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  05:42:19  Show Profile  Visit Mkhaiwati's Homepage Send Mkhaiwati a Private Message
I have another question to add to the pile. I was thinking about the film Gosford Park, and was interested in the movie for the view of the servants. I was interested in the servants quarters and passageways that the servants used, and the sheer number of servants one family had. Is there a Realms equivalent (Cormyr or Waterdeep spring to mind) of the British method of servants?

The novels that I have read that touched on the goings on within a noble estate (Stormlight and Waterdeep, for example) servants outside of a seneschal, head cook, or maid rarely make an appearance, possibly because, like in Victorian or Edwardian society, people rarely take notice of them. They blend into the background.

In the Realms, I expect they would also include a multitude of guards and possibly a pet mage or priest on hand, too, just to show off their wealth and give neighbors something catch up to; a version of "keeping up with the Joneses"

Anything that you could add would be most enlightening.

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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  13:38:00  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
Good question Mkhaiwati

I wonder if Ed might share with us how many servants the average Waterhavian Noble House might have?

Thanks

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  15:23:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello to George Krashos! Please check your PMs, as Ed struggles to connect with thee via various proxies.
Love,
THO
Your Proxy Doxy
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  15:53:50  Show Profile  Visit Neriandal Freit's Homepage  Click to see Neriandal Freit's MSN Messenger address Send Neriandal Freit a Private Message
Proxy Doxy? Sounds like a person to be with for a fun evening..

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thom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  17:19:49  Show Profile  Visit thom's Homepage Send thom a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

I was curious as too the Zhent situation as well and wonder what drugs do they favor using when seeking to create addicts that are potentially dangerous as opposed to street level drugs for the average addict?


Hear, Hear! I was just going to ask Ed for his "Top 6" drugs of the Realms for those who indulge themselves that way! So, please THO, could you (if you know) or Ed give us said list? I don't really need stats as much as what they are and the general effect they have on the (un?)willing consumers...thanks!

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MaxKaladin
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  18:56:12  Show Profile  Visit MaxKaladin's Homepage Send MaxKaladin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Unfortunately, all of them are NDA because TSR asked for sample charters in 1986 (and again, more, in 1987) and Ed sent them in via TSR's FedEx account. Which means TSR owns them and controls their publication. Whether or not they can still FIND them is another matter , but doesn't change their legal status.

I kind of figured something like this would be the case if he'd written them up.

As a side note, I've got to agree that some of these NDAs seem ludicrously old and really ought to be reviewed, but I doubt Ed has the time and I doubt WotC would consider it worth bothering with.

(One thing that amazes me is that he can remember everything that's covered by all the NDAs. I've been under NDAs before and I doubt I could remember after 15 years or so what, specifically, was covered by any of the NDAs I was under in the early 90s. Of course, those NDAs are no longer active but still...)

Thanks for sending my question on.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  19:12:43  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by thom

quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

I was curious as too the Zhent situation as well and wonder what drugs do they favor using when seeking to create addicts that are potentially dangerous as opposed to street level drugs for the average addict?


Hear, Hear! I was just going to ask Ed for his "Top 6" drugs of the Realms for those who indulge themselves that way! So, please THO, could you (if you know) or Ed give us said list? I don't really need stats as much as what they are and the general effect they have on the (un?)willing consumers...thanks!

thom



Can't say for sure, but I'd bet alcohol would be in the top 6--it seems to be as common in the Realms as it is in the real world.

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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  19:24:21  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message
Lords of Darkness has a lot of information on drugs and the drug trade, including game effects. You might want to peruse that source while you are waiting on Ed to reply.
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ddporter
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  21:38:33  Show Profile Send ddporter a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

Lords of Darkness has a lot of information on drugs and the drug trade, including game effects.



The 2001 3e Lords of Darkness has this information. The 1989 supplement does not.
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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  21:52:12  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by thom

quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

I was curious as too the Zhent situation as well and wonder what drugs do they favor using when seeking to create addicts that are potentially dangerous as opposed to street level drugs for the average addict?


Hear, Hear! I was just going to ask Ed for his "Top 6" drugs of the Realms for those who indulge themselves that way! So, please THO, could you (if you know) or Ed give us said list? I don't really need stats as much as what they are and the general effect they have on the (un?)willing consumers...thanks!

thom



Can't say for sure, but I'd bet alcohol would be in the top 6--it seems to be as common in the Realms as it is in the real world.




I'm pretty sure Ed has a post on an older thread that concerns drugs in the Realms.

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The Sage
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Indeed, Ed has. They're scattered throughout his replies over the years. Use the search function through the compiled reply files.

Eric also included a new drug and a drug dealer in DUNGEON #126 - Blood of Malar.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  00:29:42  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes. Jamallo Kreen recently posted this: “Reading Blackstaff, I saw Steven's use of the word "incunabula," whose meaning I know, but whose application in Faerun I question. Just how long has printing been around in Faerun? Is there a prejudice against printed books (as opposed to hand-scribed books)? Do some parents now try to keep their children ignorant of the art of reading lest they waste their time reading scurrilous chapbooks and other questionable materials which are now available to anyone with a few coins? On the other hand, do some parents (or heads of households, at least) actively seek out "pious" literature and insist that their household members read nothing but morally edifying books and pamphlets?
Which spawns the question: what are the better-known works of printed piety, and, conversely, what are the more notorious books of religious parody (or outright pornography), which hide behind a pious title (maybe with "uplifting" woodcuts on the cover and title page, too, just to throw Pa off'n the scent of sulfur)?”
The last paragraph was subsequently pretty much answered, but Ed now essays a reply to the rest of Jamallo Kreen’s questions:



No one is sure how long printing has been around in the Realms, because it keeps being reinvented and then “lost” again as cultures (such as Netheril) fall. Most recently, printing has been going on for at least three centuries in Calimshan, Murghom, and nearby independent cities, but gaining popularity along the Sword Coast just for a few decades.
Yes, there is a prejudice among some (mainly older, more conservative sages and wealthy (often noble) collectors against printed books (versus hand-scribed), but it’s not prevalent; “most” folk of Faerûn are happy that they can get books, chapbooks, and broadsheets swiftly, easily, and far more cheaply than they would if printing wasn’t available.
Very few parents now try to keep their children ignorant of the art of reading, because reading and bookkeeping are seen as vital by guilds and in trade. As learning to read is often done through perusing broadsheets or little books of “fireside tales” (some cautionary, some erotic, but mainly “funny human nature farces”) that parents have purchased and used already (so a child is “reading along” with a parent a story they have heard read aloud to them before), “keeping scurrilous stuff” from kiddies is a losing game from the start and an attitude rare in polytheistic, closer-to-nature Faerûn than in our real world.
A rare few heads of households will try to censor reading, but rarely with success (and they’re doomed from the start in any busy-trade-route community or large city, where reading opportunities are so widely available). Don’t forget that there are actually “gentle comfort lasses” (what we might call “friendly escorts for older men who want kisses and cuddles more than sex, but in many cases won’t mind a striptease or even a lap dance”) who attract business by going to inn feasting halls, tavern taprooms, or clubs clad in form-fitting bodysuits upon which stories or jokes or even poems and song lyrics have been written in small characters. This allows everyone to have a pretext for staring intently at their bodies (for free), and “readers” who are interested enough can sidle around later to purchase a better look at the bared bodies. :}



So saith Ed. We Knights have encountered such ladies more than once. Torm grew quite fond of asking them to roll over, or stretch into wanton contortions, so he could better read “the tail end of that sentence,” or “this little passage here that I can’t quite see.”
Subtle lad.
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

So saith Ed. We Knights have encountered such ladies more than once. Torm grew quite fond of asking them to roll over, or stretch into wanton contortions, so he could better read “the tail end of that sentence,” or “this little passage here that I can’t quite see.”
Subtle lad.
love to all,
THO




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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  23:58:05  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
Ed,

I have a question about what locals the following creatures (from Dragon #89 Creature Catalog)can be found in the realms in their greatest numbers: Bohun tree, Calygraunt, Cantobelle, and the Failtail. I'm just trying to get an idea of where you placed these creatures in your home campaign, if you have used them, and a few places you envision their larger populations living.

THO, If you can, please tell us of any encounters you knights had with these creatures if it doesn't fall in the dreaded NDA teritory.

Thanks

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Edited by - AlorinDawn on 22 Feb 2007 00:05:17
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Victor_ograygor
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Hi Ed Greenwood

I was wandering if you could give us some more information on the Wormtower, described in Volo's Guide to Cormyr.

I would like to know about the history behind what happened at the unique site and a little more information on this mage Nandar?

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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 :  13:47:44  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
Ed & THO,

Yet another question for the stacks about Ed's creatures from Dragon #89's Creature Catalog article. Can you tell us about the Sind populations in the Realms and where they are found? Can you provide any additional information on Sindar?

I vaguely remember yyyyyyears ago finding out the hard way about the Sind's imprisonment ability.



Thanks

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Jamallo Kreen
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, fellow scribes. Jamallo Kreen recently posted this: “Reading Blackstaff,

(snip)

The last paragraph was subsequently pretty much answered, but Ed now essays a reply to the rest of Jamallo Kreen’s questions:



(snip)

Very few parents now try to keep their children ignorant of the art of reading, because reading and bookkeeping are seen as vital by guilds and in trade. As learning to read is often done through perusing broadsheets or little books of “fireside tales” (some cautionary, some erotic, but mainly “funny human nature farces”) that parents have purchased and used already (so a child is “reading along” with a parent a story they have heard read aloud to them before), “keeping scurrilous stuff” from kiddies is a losing game from the start and an attitude rare in polytheistic, closer-to-nature Faerûn than in our real world.

(snip)




Oh my deities! Ed -- are you saying that the principal reading matter of the Realms is -- basically -- comparable to The Reader's Digest? Nooooooo!


Apropos of the last line which I quoted, are there any places in the Realms which have a reputation (justified or not) for producing salacious literature or art (things like "Paris postcards" and "Tijuana Bibles")?


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The Hooded One
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Hi, all. Ed couldn't resist replying to Jamallo Kreen right away:


Sure. Lots of places. Scornubel. Throughout the Tashalar. Dambrath (!), and certain cities in Calimshan and Tethyr. Luskan (bestiality, snuff, mutilation, forced human/monster matings), Mulmaster (ditto). Telflamm, some cities in Chessenta.
Of course, such things tend to cater to local tastes. Yes, caravan merchants are known as sources of such things - - and you can "pay to view" in a tavern back room, late at night, as well as buying. :}


So saith Ed. Torm has quite a collection, BTW. Surprise.
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Purple Dragon Knight
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Luskan (bestiality, snuff, mutilation, forced human/monster matings), Mulmaster (ditto). Telflamm, some cities in Chessenta.
Of course, such things tend to cater to local tastes. Yes, caravan merchants are known as sources of such things - - and you can "pay to view" in a tavern back room, late at night, as well as buying. :}

Please tell me that no donkey was ever hurt in Luskan or Mulmaster...
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althen artren
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Got another question about the Baneblades while you have those notes out, Ed. When exactly was Dragathil recovered? In my version of the Realms, I have it as the sword of the Arms Major of Evereska, but would like to have the back story if not covered by a *crunch* NDA.

Thanks.
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