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Verghityax
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Posted - 03 May 2005 :  00:03:31  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dear Eric,
I've got a question concerning Faiths & Avatars. I know it may be silly, but in the part of the book where Auril is described, there are the formal titles of the clergy in the House of Auril's Breath in Glister. After the Postulant, there is Votre. I would like to know, what this word means. I could not find Votre in any dictionary. Please, help me on this matter.
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Octa
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Posted - 04 May 2005 :  19:04:24  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Getting back to the Glyth issue- Grey why not just make them a sect of mind flayers that got run out, there could be a million reasons for this- One Elder Brains followers who bucked the system, worshipped a different god, got too soft on the humans, etc... etc....etc.....and were therefore forced to leave.

Also I think its implicit that the homeworld of the Gith remains in the hands of the Mind Flayers, and that they only achieved their fecundity on the astral plane, after hiding scared for a couple of hundred thousand years or so.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 04 May 2005 :  20:22:12  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric, Malkizid is a fallen Solar. Do you know why he Fell?

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
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Torkwaret
Learned Scribe

Poland
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Perhaps...he tripped...

I'm sorry, really sorry, but I couldn't help myself

But I double up on Khorne's question (and please Eric, don't make the answer sound like a:" well I actually can't talk about that subject 'til CoR is released and infact everything is described there with great detail")

...Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin...
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Eric, Malkizid is a fallen Solar. Do you know why he Fell?



He was hanging out with bad kids, and succumbed to peer pressure. Your mom was right about that stuff, you know...

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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 05 May 2005 :  00:16:25  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Getting back to the Glyth issue- Grey why not just make them a sect of mind flayers that got run out, there could be a million reasons for this- One Elder Brains followers who bucked the system, worshipped a different god, got too soft on the humans, etc... etc....etc.....and were therefore forced to leave.

Oh you could definitely do that. I agree there could be lots of reasons that the squids were forced to flee. I am just enamored of the possibility they could have been fleeing from the Githyanki revolt. If true it would help put a date to an epic event that has not ever really been established in a chronology.
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Also I think its implicit that the homeworld of the Gith remains in the hands of the Mind Flayers, and that they only achieved their fecundity on the astral plane, after hiding scared for a couple of hundred thousand years or so.
Could be, information in the Guide to the Astral Plane seems to indicate that following the revolt the Gith whipped the illithids' collective squiddy posterior off of thousands of planets across the multiverse(s) breaking their empire and forcing them into hiding below ground and out of the way places.

After the Gith people immigrated to the Astral, it left the flayers free to reclaim some of their lost territory, which may explain why the planet Glyth is again an illithid controlled world in the current era.
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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Eric, Malkizid is a fallen Solar. Do you know why he Fell?



Eric didn't do the write-up on Malkizid, so he either doesn't know the answer to your question or more likely won't tread on another designer's turf by spilling the beans. Patience, gentlemen, patience.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  03:58:19  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Eric, Malkizid is a fallen Solar. Do you know why he Fell?



He was hanging out with bad kids, and succumbed to peer pressure. Your mom was right about that stuff, you know...



Malzikid sat too close to the television and his face "got stuck like that." Let this be a lesson to ye....

Either that or it was the clove cigarettes of the Aryvandarran....

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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  03:59:07  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Verghityax

Dear Eric,
I've got a question concerning Faiths & Avatars. I know it may be silly, but in the part of the book where Auril is described, there are the formal titles of the clergy in the House of Auril's Breath in Glister. After the Postulant, there is Votre. I would like to know, what this word means. I could not find Votre in any dictionary. Please, help me on this matter.



Ed actually made up that particular title, so I had to send a query to the Sage of Greenwood himself. ;-)

Donning my imitation hood ;-), hehas this to say:

===
Yes, I made up "Votre." It's an entirely invented word
(though there are similar French words), meant to
evoke the Latin word "Votive" (which has a surviving
religious meaning in the Catholic church of
Christianity today). There's no Latin in the Realms,
and no Catholicism, of course, so I had to invent
words that suggested, rather than swiping words that
"didn't fit" the fantasy setting or that could offend
true believers of any faith in the real world. Volia:
votre. :}
===

--Eric

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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  04:00:28  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
well I actually can't talk about that subject 'til CoR is released and infact everything is described there with great detail")



Well, I actually can't talk abou that subject 'til CoR is released. In fact, everything is described therein with great detail! :-D

Fortunately, CoR seems to be out!

--Eric

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Melfius
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  05:09:18  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage  Send Melfius an AOL message Send Melfius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Eric, Malkizid is a fallen Solar. Do you know why he Fell?



He was hanging out with bad kids, and succumbed to peer pressure. Your mom was right about that stuff, you know...



Malzikid sat too close to the television and his face "got stuck like that." Let this be a lesson to ye....

Either that or it was the clove cigarettes of the Aryvandarran....

SES



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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 22 May 2005 :  16:24:02  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

Wooly,

I realized I missed your question. To answer it more broadly:

Given that the real Garagos is all but erased (the Netherese war god Targus took his portfolio among the Chondathan diaspora and adopted his name), we really knew nothing about the Jhaamdathan gods before the release of Faiths & Pantheons. Murdane, Auppenser, Valigorn Thirdborn ... none of these are my creation, but they are welcome additions to the motley crew of Realms gods, as they give us the bones to begin reconstructing the Jhaamdath pantheon.

--Eric



Perhaps Jergal was part of the Jhaamdathan pantheon as well? The myth ´Knucklebones, skull bowling, and the empty throne' describes how Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal share most of his power among themselves. This myth also features Lady Luck (Tymora?) and Malar the Beastlord.

In Faith & Pantheons Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud is mentioned as the deity whom Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal killed to ascend to godhood. They apparently slayed him with an artifact called ´the Jhaamdathan Dagger".
Borem is also mentioned in the original ´Pool of Radiance´-computer game, and with him also Maram of the Great Spear, Haask - Voice of Hargut, Tyranthraxus the Flamed One, and Camnod the Unseen. These entities bow before the might of Bane, and were described as either quasi-deities or powerful demon-lords (as it was also written as a ´myth´ it is a matter of interpration).

Another possible ´old´ deity is Shaundakul? And perhaps Moander (as he was worshipped as one of the Seven Lost Gods outside Westgate).


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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 22 May 2005 :  16:45:24  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

Congratulations on the marvelous, wonderful news of your new baby, Eric! Many blessings on your house!

I am intrigued by your idea of Valigan as son of Auppenser. It strikes me that as a god of thought Auppenser might have sired Murdane, goddess of Reason and Pragmatism, who might make for a good elder sibling to Valigan. I don't know if she was part of the Jhaamdathan pantheon or not, but it's an idea.

Welcome back to the forums! It's good have you back and hear that things are going so great for you!



I agree with you, Gray. I personally see Murdane as a more "likely" offspring for Auppenser, though it is possible that Valigan could be a "prodigal"/rebel son of Auppenser...

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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 22 May 2005 :  16:53:46  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

Wooly,

I realized I missed your question. To answer it more broadly:

Given that the real Garagos is all but erased (the Netherese war god Targus took his portfolio among the Chondathan diaspora and adopted his name), we really knew nothing about the Jhaamdathan gods before the release of Faiths & Pantheons. Murdane, Auppenser, Valigorn Thirdborn ... none of these are my creation, but they are welcome additions to the motley crew of Realms gods, as they give us the bones to begin reconstructing the Jhaamdath pantheon.

--Eric



If Targus took his portfolio, did he also adopt his appearance? I am curious which of the war gods - Garagos or Targus - did originally appear as the six-armed, barbaric war god? I ask this because Targus is described in all the Realmslore I´ve come across, as being the six-armed war god, who later became known (and worshiped) as Garagos.

What did the original (real) Garagos look like, then? And if the name ´Garagos´ is older than ´Targus´, does this mean that there was a reason why Targus did this? (he surely must have had still worshippers among the survivor states after the Fall of Netheril).

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Octa
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Posted - 25 May 2005 :  16:53:18  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a question for both Eric and George since they worked on this stuff together.

Am i right in thinking that Uthtower and Yarlith were never part of Phalorm? But seperate and allied mainly illuskan countries?

What was the capital (and its location) of Phalorm?

What was the capital (and its location) of Yarlith?

Same thing for Delimbryan

I have a friend who wants to run one epic character in a campaign and I came up with an idea I really like, the character is a figher type.

In year 300 cy Two brothers Uth and Iniariv the princes of Uthtower go to kill a dragon, a big bad one, maybe Ashralandon with some colleagues. During the battle the cowardly Iniariv flees leaving his comrades to die. However Uth and his companions manage to kill the dragon, but all are killed and Uth lays dying of his mortal wounds.

Iniariv then returns to find his dying older brother, the only thing standing between him and the throne of Uthtower, and he decides to dispatch him. Howver being a mage of some power he knows his father is likely to resurrect Uth. So he resolves to trap him. He then treats his brothers wounds so he is no longer dying. Places a set of manacles that give a permanent mindblank on him (iniariv had been using these to hide his evil nature), and casts astral projection taking Uth to a far corner of the Astral plane where he is set adrift.

Since Uth is stabilized but unconscious and there is no natural healing on the astral he could float that way forever.

Now I still need to work out what happens with Uths equipment, if Iniariv just sells it It can be found with discern location. Maybe he is an epic caster and hides them all over faerun or just scatters them on the astral too.

So Uth floats on the astral for 1000 years or so until a Githyanki skiff comes upon him and decides to investigate. That is where the character wakes up, a penniless epic slave to the Githyanki. I'm thinking of having them sell him to the RWs and doind a gladiator type theme until he can escape.

Once he gets away he needs to recoup his equipment scattered all over faerun in dragon hoards etc....and to hunt down and kill Iniariv who is now a demi-lich in his tower in the mere of dead men.

or I was thinking of having Uth imprisoned (i.e. the spell) and being freed by adventurers to kill first a returned Ashralandon, and then Iniarv.

Anyways, hope you will read this, let me know what you think......
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Octa
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Posted - 25 May 2005 :  20:48:01  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One more thing-

I am going make it so the mere of dead men drains when Iniariv is killed. And put some legends in about when the prince returns Uthtower will be restored.

Something vague like the 'kingdom destroyed by the Utuk will rise out of the ashes, etc....' Some harpers will know this legend and mistakenly think it refers to Phalorm, which should cause some consternation. Assuming it is not nailed down in 1372 whether or not Uthtower was part of Phalorm. The harpers will offer to assist but think they are aiding in a reclamation of Phalorm, not just Uthtower, which will put the PC on the spot.

Since the royal weapon of Uthtower was a hammer of thunderbolts, I'm going to call it the kingdom of the hammer.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 26 May 2005 :  00:44:32  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

I have a question for both Eric and George since they worked on this stuff together.

Am i right in thinking that Uthtower and Yarlith were never part of Phalorm? But seperate and allied mainly illuskan countries?

What was the capital (and its location) of Phalorm?

What was the capital (and its location) of Yarlith?

Same thing for Delimbryan



Howdy.

The history of Uthtower and how Yarlith came to be is detailed in Eric's "Eye of Myrkul" DUNGEON adventure. I can't recall the issue number off-hand but Kuje and/or Wooly and/or SB and/or the Sage and/or Faraer will no doubt be along directly to point you in the right direction.

You are correct in thinking that Uthtower and Yarlith were never part of Phalorm but they were allies.

The capital of Phalorm was Delimbiyran (the city) which subsequently also became the capital of Delimbiyran (the nation) also known as the Kingdom of Man. It's location is noted in "Lost Empires of Faerun" - it existed along the banks of the Delimbiyr River, near enough to Daggerford - I think it's ruins are also noted on the FR Interactive Atlas.

We never detailed the capital of Yarlith but confirmed that it wasn't Neverwinter (known in those days as Eigersstor) so pick a spot between the Mere of Dead Men and Neverwinter and put in some ruins!

As for your plot ideas, I'd sugget you track down Eric's DUNGEON article or Ed's "Wyrms of the North" piece on Voargamanthar (sp?) which should still be on the WotC FR website - they give you the historical grounding to come up with your campaign background piece.

-- George Krashos

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

The history of Uthtower and how Yarlith came to be is detailed in Eric's "Eye of Myrkul" DUNGEON adventure. I can't recall the issue number off-hand but Kuje and/or Wooly and/or SB and/or the Sage and/or Faraer will no doubt be along directly to point you in the right direction.

-- George Krashos



Issue #73

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Octa
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Looks like Dungeon 73 it is, thanks for the help....
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Octa
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Posted - 26 May 2005 :  01:44:09  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
George- How much overlap is there between the timeling on Erics web site and the material in dungeon 73 before I buy it??

What did you guys think about the temporal stasis use of the Astral plane, is it a legit use of the rules.

Thanks guys, hope I'm not getting people too far off track from pestering Eric.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

The history of Uthtower and how Yarlith came to be is detailed in Eric's "Eye of Myrkul" DUNGEON adventure. I can't recall the issue number off-hand but Kuje and/or Wooly and/or SB and/or the Sage and/or Faraer will no doubt be along directly to point you in the right direction.

-- George Krashos



Issue #73

Yes, it was Dungeon issue #73.

Sorry Kuje... ... But the Krash did say "and/or"... .

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 26 May 2005 :  02:47:58  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well met!

Would Eric (or George) have any information on these subjects:

1) How the Vast Swamp in Cormyr/Sembia was formed? The evil nature of the place would indicate that perhaps the grells had something to do with it?

2) Who built the ancient ruins within the Vast Swamp(and when)? These ruins are marked on the map in Elminster´s Ecologies.


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Garen Thal
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quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion

Well met!

Would Eric (or George) have any information on these subjects:

1) How the Vast Swamp in Cormyr/Sembia was formed? The evil nature of the place would indicate that perhaps the grells had something to do with it?

2) Who built the ancient ruins within the Vast Swamp(and when)? These ruins are marked on the map in Elminster´s Ecologies.

1) The initial formation of the Vast Swap is a combination of the flowing waters of the Darkflow and the type of earth that originally lay at that area of the foot of the Thunder Peaks (however, see below).

2) The ruins in the Vast Swamp are those of Orva, an ambitious minor kingdom that fell in roughly -725 DR after its mages created a faulty gate/portal which opened up to the Nine Hells and the ruin of Minauros, layer of swamps, mire and greed, spilled out onto the Material Plane (see Four from Cormyr for more on this).
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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Octa

George- How much overlap is there between the timeling on Erics web site and the material in dungeon 73 before I buy it??

What did you guys think about the temporal stasis use of the Astral plane, is it a legit use of the rules.

Thanks guys, hope I'm not getting people too far off track from pestering Eric.



The timeline matches Dungeon #73 seamlessly because, funnily enough, I wrote the timeline in consultation with Eric and he write "Eye of Myrkul" in consultation with me (and others). It's nice when a plan comes together!

Oh, and I know nothing about game rules - I know a bit about the Realms. So I'll let someone else answer you game mechanics/rules query.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Asgetrion
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quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

[quote] 1) The initial formation of the Vast Swap is a combination of the flowing waters of the Darkflow and the type of earth that originally lay at that area of the foot of the Thunder Peaks (however, see below).

2) The ruins in the Vast Swamp are those of Orva, an ambitious minor kingdom that fell in roughly -725 DR after its mages created a faulty gate/portal which opened up to the Nine Hells and the ruin of Minauros, layer of swamps, mire and greed, spilled out onto the Material Plane (see Four from Cormyr for more on this).



Well met, George!

Thanks a lot for this information I need to get my hands on that adventure, though I recall that it didn´t have much *ahem* "meat" on its bones...

If my memory serves me, I also remember that there is a short Dungeon module set in the Vast Swamp, which describes ruins of an ancient elven city within its murky depths (there was even a handout - an elven map of its capital). I guess Orva was an elven kingdom?

Hopefully you can bear with me, but would you have any information about Sissra, the half-elven princess, mentioned in FRA? (in Marsember entry)

Quote: "They also tell of Sissra, a half-elven princess who died four hundred years ago. Her corpse was laid in a slim riverboat with gold, gems, and magic arrayed about her. Set afire, it burned to the waterline while drifting in the Starmouth.
Searchers have never found it, but many believe Sissra's ashes and treasure lie beneath some old city warehouse, in the all-concealing mud."

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