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Copper Elven Vampire
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Posted - 01 Aug 2018 :  07:44:21  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So deities die and come back all the time. Their portfolios shift and change every single time they do. Vhaeraun died and came back. Eilistraee died and came back. So I'm thinking in my realms... Erevan Ilesere knew thousands of years ago that everything from the events of The Last Mythal and Erevis Cale trilogy, up to the spell plague and sundering would take place. He was setting up the chess board the whole time while playing whimsical ignorance to the Seldarine and the other pantheons. Taunting a divine game of "Who's the better thief." between himself, Vhaeraun and Mask. He convinced both gods to play the game with the winner getting the rewards of all the portfolios of the losing deities as he chooses. Both Mask and Vhaeraun wanted the portfolio of Trickery and Rogues and Mischief. But Erevan wanted only the portfolios of Shadow and Thievery to better survive and combat the coming events in the multiverse.

Over the course of thousands of years of trickery, mischief and deception, Erevan Ilesere managed to trick Volumvax to steal some of the divine power of Mask, setting forth the events of the Shadowstorm, and sowing seeds of chaos among the drow of Faerun that lead to The War of The Spider Queen, he simply went about the multiverse as usual, wenching and celebrating and getting in trouble, so as not to alert the other pantheons that anything was amis.

With the help of his few mortal Chosen, Erevan secretly set into motion his survival for the coming future events on Toril that would ravage and slaughter many of the deities that called this world their home. By way of mischief and deception he caused the downfall and inner strife of the Drow Pantheon, and by way of trickery and misdirection he caused Mask to lose a part of his godhood through the actions of Volumvax the betrayer.

Thus, once Vhaeraun and Mask were destroyed, he won the divine game of "Best Thief" and stole the portfolios of Thievery from Vhaeraun and Shadows from Mask. Currently in the Realms, both Mask and Vhaeraun came back to life and are searching for ways to take back their former portfolios from the Fey Jester himself, but to no avail so far.

Although some scholars and seers have called Erevan cocky and arrogant, flighty and whimsical, sly and wry and cruel in manner and disposition, he remains one of the few ancient deities on Toril to withstand the tests of time and hardships among the gods and goddesses of the multiverse. Erevan Ilesere now holds the portfolios of Mischief, Trickery, Rogues, Change, Elf, Thievery, and Shadow.

As of 1491 DR, his priests and divine casters are offered the domains of Shadow and Avarice as a choice to choose from. Clerics of Shar, the remaining Princes of Shade Enclave, Malaugrym, Shadar-Kai and demons and devils of all kinds are enemies that The Trickster had foreseen and prepared for, and inadvertently prepared his devoted followers for as well.

Erevan Ilesere has many friends among the gods and goddesses of Toril, but unfortunately he also has many more enemies than most other deities, due to his fickle nature and disregard for order and law. Albeit for good or for himself, Erevan is a true champion of the Seldarine, and a lifelong friend and adventuring companion to Brandobaris, Baravar Cloakshadow and Vergadain. The exploits of their adventures together are nothing short of legendary, epic accounts of myths and tales that parents tell their children beside a bright fire and warm beds.

Erevan Ilesere is currently adventuring throughout the realm of Faerie, with the grace and permission of Tatianna and Oberon. It is said that he is contriving schemes, brokering deals and pranking and tricking all the gods and demi-gods of the Fey realm. Living up to his title as the Jack of The Seelie Court, Erevan even courted Rhiannon, the creator goddess of the Fey, and made a pact with her that is binding until the multiverse breaks asunder and slays Ao.

Stay tuned... more to come next week!! My proposal to WoTc, Hasbro and the demi-liches of ancient TSR.


Edited by - Copper Elven Vampire on 03 Aug 2018 04:23:13

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Erevan gets a lot of hype for being the frat boy of the Seldarine.
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Posted - 03 Aug 2018 :  14:49:21  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Erevan gets a lot of hype for being the frat boy of the Seldarine.



Sure, if that's how you see him. ;)
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I don't really see Vhaeraun, Mask, and Erevan clashing all that much, tbh. Mask and Vhaeraun both got on well as respective deities of "shadows and trickery". Erevan would be no different. The only clashing between Erevan and Vhaeraun happening that I can see is because Erevan is of the Seldarine, and Vhaeraun the Dark Seldarine. Many deities "co-exist" having similar portfolios, particularly racial deities. Erevan has no real need to "steal" Mask and Vhaeraun's portfolios.

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Edited by - CorellonsDevout on 06 Aug 2018 21:48:11
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Copper Elven Vampire
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Posted - 08 Aug 2018 :  02:22:09  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

I don't really see Vhaeraun, Mask, and Erevan clashing all that much, tbh. Mask and Vhaeraun both got on well as respective deities of "shadows and trickery". Erevan would be no different. The only clashing between Erevan and Vhaeraun happening that I can see is because Erevan is of the Seldarine, and Vhaeraun the Dark Seldarine. Many deities "co-exist" having similar portfolios, particularly racial deities. Erevan has no real need to "steal" Mask and Vhaeraun's portfolios.



Well, Erevan wants to be able to give his clerics the ability to gain the Shadow domain and the Avarice domain. How else would you suggest he goes about that?
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Posted - 08 Aug 2018 :  02:36:37  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

I don't really see Vhaeraun, Mask, and Erevan clashing all that much, tbh. Mask and Vhaeraun both got on well as respective deities of "shadows and trickery". Erevan would be no different. The only clashing between Erevan and Vhaeraun happening that I can see is because Erevan is of the Seldarine, and Vhaeraun the Dark Seldarine. Many deities "co-exist" having similar portfolios, particularly racial deities. Erevan has no real need to "steal" Mask and Vhaeraun's portfolios.



Well, Erevan wants to be able to give his clerics the ability to gain the Shadow domain and the Avarice domain. How else would you suggest he goes about that?



That isn't really what Erevan is about. Trickery and mischief, sure, I mean, if it is your homebrew, you are free to do what you want and spin it however you like, I just don't see that as something Erevan would do. The SCAG presents him as a "God of shadow" (along with Fenmarel and Shevarash), as the "darker side" of the Seldarine, because he is a trickster and prone to mischief. Mask is somewhat of a trickster, too, and again, "sharing" portfolios isn't unheard of across racial pantheon (Hanali and Sune both being goddess of love, for example). Erevan could easily be the elven equivalent of what Mask and Vhaeraun are, without him having to steal their portfolios.

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Edited by - CorellonsDevout on 08 Aug 2018 02:56:12
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Besides, wasn't there something in 5e about the gods no longer being allowed to steal each other's portfolios, or am I misremembering? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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Copper Elven Vampire
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Posted - 08 Aug 2018 :  13:37:57  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes I suppose you are correct. Maybe I could write it in that he made a deal with Mask and Vhaeraun for something in rerturn. Not sure if they can no longer steal portfolios. And what is SCAG? lol

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Oh, sorry, the SCAG stands for Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, which so far is the 5e equivalent of a campaign guide.

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Copper Elven Vampire
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Posted - 08 Aug 2018 :  18:40:45  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Oh, sorry, the SCAG stands for Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, which so far is the 5e equivalent of a campaign guide.



Okay, thank you. And the SCAG really presents him as a god of shadows? how do they word it specifically?
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Well, they have a section on elven deities (mind you, the descriptions are quite brief), and then they have a subcategory for them: listed something like this:

God of the Elves: here they talk about Corellon.

Goddess of Wisdom: here they talk about Angharradh, and her three aspects as (as it calls them): Aedrie, Hanali, and Sehanine.

Gods of Nature: here it briefly describes Deep Sashelas, Labelas Enorath, Rillifane, and Solonor.

Gods of Shadow: and here it lists Erevan, Fenmarel, and Sheverash. All it really says is: "Of somewhat darker bent, Erevan Ilsere is a deity of mischief, a trickster god: and Fenmarel Mestarine is the moody and sullen god of outcasts and solitude, who has little to do with the rest of the Seldarine (except for Erevan, who uses Fenmarel as a scapegoat in his plots and pranks)."

I wanted to break it down so you could see it in context. So Eravan is treated as a "darker side" of the Seldarine because he is a prankster. So not a god of shadow in the way Vhaeraun is (sorry if my earlier post was misleading on that). I could see him trying to maybe one-up Mask and Vhaeraun (though fooling Mask might be difficult, since he is also a trickster god), but not actually steal their potfolio. Erevan would probably treat it as a game to see who the better trickster is.

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Edited by - CorellonsDevout on 08 Aug 2018 19:42:33
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Posted - 09 Aug 2018 :  14:53:01  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Well, they have a section on elven deities (mind you, the descriptions are quite brief), and then they have a subcategory for them: listed something like this:

God of the Elves: here they talk about Corellon.

Goddess of Wisdom: here they talk about Angharradh, and her three aspects as (as it calls them): Aedrie, Hanali, and Sehanine.

Gods of Nature: here it briefly describes Deep Sashelas, Labelas Enorath, Rillifane, and Solonor.

Gods of Shadow: and here it lists Erevan, Fenmarel, and Sheverash. All it really says is: "Of somewhat darker bent, Erevan Ilsere is a deity of mischief, a trickster god: and Fenmarel Mestarine is the moody and sullen god of outcasts and solitude, who has little to do with the rest of the Seldarine (except for Erevan, who uses Fenmarel as a scapegoat in his plots and pranks)."

I wanted to break it down so you could see it in context. So Eravan is treated as a "darker side" of the Seldarine because he is a prankster. So not a god of shadow in the way Vhaeraun is (sorry if my earlier post was misleading on that). I could see him trying to maybe one-up Mask and Vhaeraun (though fooling Mask might be difficult, since he is also a trickster god), but not actually steal their potfolio. Erevan would probably treat it as a game to see who the better trickster is.



Excellent. Thank you. That's all I needed to know. I appreciate your input and help. I will change the opening post by tonight to reflect the new changes.
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Oh wow, that really does make Erevan sound like a dick. Poor Fenmarel.
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quote:
Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Well, they have a section on elven deities (mind you, the descriptions are quite brief), and then they have a subcategory for them: listed something like this:

God of the Elves: here they talk about Corellon.

Goddess of Wisdom: here they talk about Angharradh, and her three aspects as (as it calls them): Aedrie, Hanali, and Sehanine.

Gods of Nature: here it briefly describes Deep Sashelas, Labelas Enorath, Rillifane, and Solonor.

Gods of Shadow: and here it lists Erevan, Fenmarel, and Sheverash. All it really says is: "Of somewhat darker bent, Erevan Ilsere is a deity of mischief, a trickster god: and Fenmarel Mestarine is the moody and sullen god of outcasts and solitude, who has little to do with the rest of the Seldarine (except for Erevan, who uses Fenmarel as a scapegoat in his plots and pranks)."

I wanted to break it down so you could see it in context. So Eravan is treated as a "darker side" of the Seldarine because he is a prankster. So not a god of shadow in the way Vhaeraun is (sorry if my earlier post was misleading on that). I could see him trying to maybe one-up Mask and Vhaeraun (though fooling Mask might be difficult, since he is also a trickster god), but not actually steal their potfolio. Erevan would probably treat it as a game to see who the better trickster is.



Excellent. Thank you. That's all I needed to know. I appreciate your input and help. I will change the opening post by tonight to reflect the new changes.



No problem Glad I could help.

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Posted - 16 Feb 2020 :  20:49:02  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Done and settled.
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Oh wow, that really does make Erevan sound like a dick. Poor Fenmarel.



Is it your job to look like a jerk? Cause you sure type like one.
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Taking the weird goth kid of your pantheon and making him your scapegoat doesn't strike me as being anything other than being a jackass, which is a far cry from Erevan of 2e.
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Enough with the sniping.

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Posted - 12 Apr 2020 :  05:57:53  Show Profile Send Copper Elven Vampire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Taking the weird goth kid of your pantheon and making him your scapegoat doesn't strike me as being anything other than being a jackass, which is a far cry from Erevan of 2e.



WOW... You really are a troll. If I posted that I'd be shut down for a month. Funny how you get away with such insults to my game play. Where are the Moderators when you need one?
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... I mean, that's literally in the text CorellonsDevout posted. Erevan makes Fenmarel his scapegoat in 5e,while in 2e Erevan was a chill, benign partygoer with a taste for practical jokes.
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Yeah, I am not sure what they were going with there, even making him "of darker bent". I really wish they provided more detail. That's all the SCAG gives us.

Of course, the SCAG also describes Sheverash as the god of elven vengeance in general, taking away the specific lore surrounding him, which is ironic, considering they only reluctantly brought back the idea of goodly drow.

I am sure Fenmarel wouldn't remain a scapegoat though lol. He would doubtless wise up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire

quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Taking the weird goth kid of your pantheon and making him your scapegoat doesn't strike me as being anything other than being a jackass, which is a far cry from Erevan of 2e.



WOW... You really are a troll. If I posted that I'd be shut down for a month. Funny how you get away with such insults to my game play. Where are the Moderators when you need one?



One commented thirty minutes before you. You ignored this.

And your gameplay was not being insulted -- the actions of a fictitious character were being insulted. Unless you personally identify as that fictitious character, there's nothing there that violates the rules.

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Funny on what you consider appropriate. I'm done with you all. Not worth my time or intellect.

I'll post my stuff and be grateful. But I will respond to nothing you trolls bait me with.
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Just saying... using 3.5 mechanics and lore going into 5ED, I'm thinking that there is no reason a elven god of trickery and chaos and rogues wouldn't eventually end up using shadows and illusions to thwart the enemy or deceive the intended challenge. Hell... Even to use the shadows to thwart the enemy itself. Even the goodly tricksters use shadows and give shadow spells to their clerics when needed.

Example
Garl Glittergold
Erevan Ilesere
Brandobaris
Baravar Cloakshadow
Vergadain

None of these gods have the Shadow or darkness domains, but I see no reason why not. They all have scoundrel backgrounds.

Maybe Mask or Vhaeraun lost the portfolio in a game of dice among the other trickster deities. Again. correct me if I'm wrong, but I see no reason why the shadows shouldn't be part of a rogue based deity.

Maybe I'm stretching too far.
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Your problem is that you're stereotyping rogues into the 'dresses in black and skulls around at night'. None of those gods have any ties to darkness as a concept. Rogues in 3.5e are defined as skill monkeys, and Erevan in particular leans towards the prankster thief archetype.

Vhaeraun doesn't have the Darkness or Shadow domains either. He just happens to have a title associated with it, but he's about the promotion of the welfare of male drow and thievery; darkness and shadow are simply his tools, but he's not invested in them the way Mask or Shar is. It's like Orcus, who lives in and rules a frozen wasteland but doest have the Cold domain.

Mask, on the other hand, is an actual deity of shadow.

And after the Cyrinishad fiasco, Mask isn't going to wager any parts of his divine purview.

But it's your game, so why are you trying to justify it?
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quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Your problem is that you're stereotyping rogues into the 'dresses in black and skulls around at night'. None of those gods have any ties to darkness as a concept. Rogues in 3.5e are defined as skill monkeys, and Erevan in particular leans towards the prankster thief archetype.

Vhaeraun doesn't have the Darkness or Shadow domains either. He just happens to have a title associated with it, but he's about the promotion of the welfare of male drow and thievery; darkness and shadow are simply his tools, but he's not invested in them the way Mask or Shar is. It's like Orcus, who lives in and rules a frozen wasteland but doest have the Cold domain.

Mask, on the other hand, is an actual deity of shadow.

And after the Cyrinishad fiasco, Mask isn't going to wager any parts of his divine purview.

But it's your game, so why are you trying to justify it?



To make it fit. Our game in the 5ED timeline with 3.5 rules and D20 system. Clerics of Erevan are especially loved and adored by the elven youth. Tales of Mythic adventures and feats envelopes a young child. Not a single elven youth grows up without hearing about the Trickster... the Mischiefmaker of the elven Pantheon. All the elven deities sing strong in their hearts, but one god calls most of all the Pantheon of greater elven gods. Erevan Ilesere. Luckmaster. Mischiefmaker. Chaosbringer. Shapechanger.

Intermediate deity of Scoundrels. Intermediate deity of The Seldarine.

I never said Erevan was the best god ever. I only implied that Erevan Ilesere was best and most advanced in all things trickery and prankable. Doing so relies on massive godly skills and feats. You cannot trick and prank greater gods and goddesses with less than omnipotent skills and abilities.

Erevan has been known to torment the god Torm to no end, with pranks and tricks that make the warrior god turn his head like a swivel. Good nor evil matter to Erevan Ilesere. He just thrives in the mocking of Law!
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