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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  07:37:07  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Interesting theories! Ah, Shadowbane 4 would answer so many questions. If only...

Cheers



Wait...there isn't going to be a 4th one? I still haven't finished Eye of Justice, but there is so much going on and so much potentional...

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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
1591 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  12:33:42  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have Downshadow and enjoyed it but as there are no proper novels for the rest of the series, I dont intend to continue reading it. ( no offense to anyone but I don't consider e books to be proper novels and am not interested in purchasing them).
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canikoblivan
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Turkey
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  14:56:58  Show Profile  Visit canikoblivan's Homepage Send canikoblivan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I haven't bought Shadowbane purely because it's an e-book-only release. I'm against reading novels digitally; I have to feel the book in my hands, smell its papers, and gaze at the beauty of its cover..

I wish it would be released as a paperback though, I'd love to read the continuation of Shadowbane's adventures.

Oh, and I even approached a printing house owner that I know to have it printed in the paperback format after purchasing the e-book(I know, it's illegal, but I have to own every FR novel in paperback, one way or another! =)), turns out it costs a lot to print a single book. Unbelieveable! Right? =)

Edited by - canikoblivan on 15 Oct 2012 14:58:06
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:06:17  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Interesting theories! Ah, Shadowbane 4 would answer so many questions. If only...
Wait...there isn't going to be a 4th one? I still haven't finished Eye of Justice, but there is so much going on and so much potentional...
Oh, there will be a 4th one. I'm going to write it. The question is whether WotC will buy it and publish it. At the moment, I have no contract for a fourth Shadowbane novel--the majority of their writers got shut down going into the Sundering event, and the book department is focusing all their resources on those six books. It leaves writers like me, Jaleigh, Bruce, Lisa, Rosemary, etc., out in the cold for a while, and we can only hope that WotC picks our stories back up when they're able to expand beyond the Sundering.

If you want to do something about this, pressure WotC to publish more Shadowbane and other non-Sundering novels. Post reviews of the Shadowbane series (here's my guide to writing reviews), and talk it up to your friends. The more copies it moves, the better placed I am to continue the series.

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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:13:30  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I have Downshadow and enjoyed it but as there are no proper novels for the rest of the series, I dont intend to continue reading it. ( no offense to anyone but I don't consider e books to be proper novels and am not interested in purchasing them).

I appreciate the "no offense meant" attitude, but that is indeed an offensive statement to those of us who have slaved months or even years to produce a novel, only to have it dismissed as "not a proper novel" because WotC (in their vast wisdom) decide (without consulting the author) to release it only as an ebook.

I personally understand what you mean, but I suggest you not diffuse this attitude elsewhere, so as not to anger a lot of people.

Also, I suspect you missed one of the points I made before, which is that I am trying my HARDEST to get to a place where paper copies are available. If this means print-on-demand, so be it. If it means an omnibus, so be it. If this just means pushing the series aggressively so more people buy it and WotC looks on it as a success, so be it.

Here's what I suggest you do, if you want to support the series and see the rest of it printed in paper format: Post a review of Downshadow (see my guide in the post above). In that review, state that you want to read the other novels in the series, but you need there to be a paper option. State that ebooks are not possible for you, and you are willing to pay extra for a paper copy.

Whew, that got a little serious, didn't it? Back to joviality.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

Also check out my Realms work, most recently Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, out now on e-readers everywhere! (Kindle, Nook)
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Tanthalas
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Portugal
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:25:41  Show Profile Send Tanthalas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Oh, there will be a 4th one. I'm going to write it. The question is whether WotC will buy it and publish it. At the moment, I have no contract for a fourth Shadowbane novel--the majority of their writers got shut down going into the Sundering event, and the book department is focusing all their resources on those six books. It leaves writers like me, Jaleigh, Bruce, Lisa, Rosemary, etc., out in the cold for a while, and we can only hope that WotC picks our stories back up when they're able to expand beyond the Sundering.


This is probably the one big annoying thing about The Sundering, that other authors/characters/stories are left on the back burner until The Sundering is out of the way. If at least Helm is coming back (and I'm guessing he's one of the gods that will be returning) this should have particular relevance to Kalen.

Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage".
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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe

Canada
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:28:50  Show Profile  Click to see Clad In Shadows's MSN Messenger address Send Clad In Shadows a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I now have a tablet, so I can finally get the two books. But I haven't bought them yet because I still have Downshadow unread, sitting on my shelf. When I read that one, I will grab the next two from Amazon.

One thing that kinda bugs me, though, is that you're saying that Wizard needs to see sales in order to justify a print book. But at that point, wouldn't a great majority of the potential paper book sales already be gone to digital sales? I personally don't buy books twice. So if I were to buy the digital versions, I wouldn't be buying a physical copy if one were made available.

Either way, I will be buying the two Shadowbane books. But it'd just be my luck that they release a paper copy right after I buy the digital ones.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4586 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:48:29  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by canikoblivan

Oh, and I even approached a printing house owner that I know to have it printed in the paperback format after purchasing the e-book(I know, it's illegal, but I have to own every FR novel in paperback, one way or another! =)), turns out it costs a lot to print a single book. Unbelieveable! Right? =)
I know, right? Totally lame. This is one reason why traditional publishing is buckling under the weight of the booming ebook market.

quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas

This is probably the one big annoying thing about The Sundering, that other authors/characters/stories are left on the back burner until The Sundering is out of the way. If at least Helm is coming back (and I'm guessing he's one of the gods that will be returning) this should have particular relevance to Kalen.
Absolutely!

If you feel strongly about it, post on WotC's boards.

quote:
Originally posted by Clad In Shadows

One thing that kinda bugs me, though, is that you're saying that Wizard needs to see sales in order to justify a print book. But at that point, wouldn't a great majority of the potential paper book sales already be gone to digital sales? I personally don't buy books twice. So if I were to buy the digital versions, I wouldn't be buying a physical copy if one were made available.

Either way, I will be buying the two Shadowbane books. But it'd just be my luck that they release a paper copy right after I buy the digital ones.
Kind of a catch-22, isn't it?

My suggestion would be this: buy digital copies for friends and family. Gift them. Then when a physical copy becomes available, get it for yourself!

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

Also check out my Realms work, most recently Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, out now on e-readers everywhere! (Kindle, Nook)
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hawkytom
Learned Scribe

USA
82 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  20:41:04  Show Profile Send hawkytom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie


Also, I suspect you missed one of the points I made before, which is that I am trying my HARDEST to get to a place where paper copies are available. If this means print-on-demand, so be it. If it means an omnibus, so be it. If this just means pushing the series aggressively so more people buy it and WotC looks on it as a success, so be it.



This is my hope! They are trying to phase out novels and I wont support that, enough time is already spent staring at digital screens. Everybody needs to continue to urge/harass publishers to keep printing books.

I'm glad your trying to get paper copies of your ebook only novels printed, so I can buy them!
If WotC belives the market wont support novels from authors besides Ed Greenwood and RAS then...Extra cost, print on demand, limited/collector's editions of these ebook exclusives is what I'm after!

If they refuse to print these novels then it's only a matter of time before a novel printing black market flourishes.

Any Lone Wolf fans? Old school gamebooks from the 80's? They are being re-released/updated, and new books 29-32 being written: http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/novels/lonewolfsolo.html

Forgotten Realms BOOKS owned: ALL of them! (ebooks?...NONE! ever)
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Sightless
Senior Scribe

USA
608 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  23:07:59  Show Profile Send Sightless a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Umm Erick did you get my E-mail?

A simple yes, or no will be great. Sorry for the bug on this.

We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.

Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4586 Posts

Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  01:08:06  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@hawkytom: Swords high!

@Sightless: Yes. Just haven't had time to respond.

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Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

Also check out my Realms work, most recently Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, out now on e-readers everywhere! (Kindle, Nook)
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader

USA
2039 Posts

Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  01:59:01  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Interesting theories! Ah, Shadowbane 4 would answer so many questions. If only...
Wait...there isn't going to be a 4th one? I still haven't finished Eye of Justice, but there is so much going on and so much potentional...
Oh, there will be a 4th one. I'm going to write it. The question is whether WotC will buy it and publish it. At the moment, I have no contract for a fourth Shadowbane novel--the majority of their writers got shut down going into the Sundering event, and the book department is focusing all their resources on those six books. It leaves writers like me, Jaleigh, Bruce, Lisa, Rosemary, etc., out in the cold for a while, and we can only hope that WotC picks our stories back up when they're able to expand beyond the Sundering.

If you want to do something about this, pressure WotC to publish more Shadowbane and other non-Sundering novels. Post reviews of the Shadowbane series (here's my guide to writing reviews), and talk it up to your friends. The more copies it moves, the better placed I am to continue the series.

Cheers



If Wizards really does pay attention to reviews on places like Amazon, then I'm going to go back and review series I've read awhile back who I think need either a follow-series or at the very least a sequel. And I know a lot of time is being devoted to the Sundering, but the first one doesn't come out til...next August, right? Surely there is time before that, and after of course! There is a lot of sequels I would like to see!

Sweet water and light laughter
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  04:53:21  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, and to add to the ebook argument. In some ways, I can understand them: they take up less room, and they save trees. But on the other hand, having books in physical form is a way of adviretiment for the author. People can see what you are reading, the name of the author, etc. I would think this would benefit WotC, too. Plus, we already have a growing problem of people not reading in the 21st century (and I don't just mean illiteracy, though that is an issue, too. I mean not reading in general). Ebooks, IMO, will only increase this problem. Granted, I buy a lot of my books on Amazon, because even with the cost of shipping, they have good deals, and it usually takes less time to shop online than it does to go to the bookstore. But I still support the bookstores, and again, it is often easier to adviretize in a bookstore than it is online, IMO. I think I made this argument before on this very thread, but since ebook is a hot topic of discussion, I thought I'd add to it.

I heard also that authors get paid less when their work is published in digital format. Is this true? And there is nothing like the smell of a book! I love that smell! But we need to come up with a way to make paper that doesn't involve murdering trees.

Sweet water and light laughter
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KnightErrantJR
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USA
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Working my way to these, eventually, as I begin to clear up my backlog of Realms novels.

"Because philosophy arises from awe, a philosopher is bound in his way to be a lover of myths and poetic fables. Poets and philosophers are alike in being big with wonder."--Saint Thomas Aquinas

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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
4586 Posts

Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  07:01:16  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

Oh, and to add to the ebook argument. In some ways, I can understand them: they take up less room, and they save trees. But on the other hand, having books in physical form is a way of adviretiment for the author. People can see what you are reading, the name of the author, etc. I would think this would benefit WotC, too.
Absolutely. The product is its own advertisement in part. When you're dealing with ebook only, just convincing people the boom exists is hard enough.

quote:
I heard also that authors get paid less when their work is published in digital format. Is this true?
Yes and no. Responsible publishers usually pay authors a greater royalty rate for digital copies, as there's less publishing cost involved. But you tend to sell many fewer copies. Of course, if you get stuck with a small royalty rate, you're screwed both ways.

quote:
And there is nothing like the smell of a book! I love that smell! But we need to come up with a way to make paper that doesn't involve murdering trees.
Wrll, there's always industrial hemp.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore

India
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  17:43:42  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I have Downshadow and enjoyed it but as there are no proper novels for the rest of the series, I dont intend to continue reading it. ( no offense to anyone but I don't consider e books to be proper novels and am not interested in purchasing them).

I appreciate the "no offense meant" attitude, but that is indeed an offensive statement to those of us who have slaved months or even years to produce a novel, only to have it dismissed as "not a proper novel" because WotC (in their vast wisdom) decide (without consulting the author) to release it only as an ebook.

I personally understand what you mean, but I suggest you not diffuse this attitude elsewhere, so as not to anger a lot of people.

Also, I suspect you missed one of the points I made before, which is that I am trying my HARDEST to get to a place where paper copies are available. If this means print-on-demand, so be it. If it means an omnibus, so be it. If this just means pushing the series aggressively so more people buy it and WotC looks on it as a success, so be it.

Here's what I suggest you do, if you want to support the series and see the rest of it printed in paper format: Post a review of Downshadow (see my guide in the post above). In that review, state that you want to read the other novels in the series, but you need there to be a paper option. State that ebooks are not possible for you, and you are willing to pay extra for a paper copy.

Whew, that got a little serious, didn't it? Back to joviality.

Cheers



I apologize if I caused offence , I dont not mean to imply that a novel released in ebook format is not a novel or that the author works any less diligently on it. All I meant was that if a am going to be spending a not inconsiderable amount of money on purchasing novels, I want something substantial for my investment, not a bunch of zeroes and one on a kindle. Especially as there is little or no price differentiation between ebooks and normal books.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  19:05:06  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I completely understand, Thauranil. And I want you to have that, too.

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Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe

Canada
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 :  22:51:20  Show Profile  Click to see Clad In Shadows's MSN Messenger address Send Clad In Shadows a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Kind of a catch-22, isn't it?

My suggestion would be this: buy digital copies for friends and family. Gift them. Then when a physical copy becomes available, get it for yourself!

Cheers



Yep, it is. Could be a way to introduce family members to your work.
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skychrome
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As an international reader, I am still being e-exiled from eBooks. Nothing has changed so far in terms of distribution...

"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 :  04:18:51  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by skychrome

As an international reader, I am still being e-exiled from eBooks. Nothing has changed so far in terms of distribution...

What country are we talking about?

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Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Yoss
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USA
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I bought it, it just is sitting behind some other stuff on the to-read pile (part of me still clings to this slightly odd habit of reading author in question's novels from the beginning/beginning of setting, regardless of whether they are directly or even not at all tied to the more recent novels I want to read. Hell, I insisted upon reading the entire Sembia series--all of it, not just Kemp's contribution--before I started the Erevis Cale trilogy). The pile got really realms heavy at the beginning of this year, when I added a good portion of my housemate's book collection to said list, and I've found myself needing a bit of a break, especially since i've read almost exclusively fantasy novels the last two years (which was a much needed change at the time, as i'd read mostly non-fiction the few years before that). Of course, instead of reading the books I already owned, I bought some others...this is apparently what happens when I realize how much money I save not going out drinking after work anymore. More money to spend on books!
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 :  17:38:17  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I made a realization yesterday, and that's that the Shadowbane series is actually pretty big. It's currently EIGHT pieces. And I'm writing the 9th within the next year or so. (Word counts are estimated!)

“The Last Legend of Gedrin Shadowbane” (free e-story): 8K, 20 pages
“Sword of Shadowbane” (included in word count for SB: EOJ)
“Heir of Shadowbane” (free e-story) 8K, 20 pages
Book 1: Downshadow 100K, 330 pages
“Chosen of the Sword” (free e-novella) 30K, 85 pages
“A New Purpose” (story included in the Shadowbane bundle) 5K, 15 pages
Book 2: Shadowbane 100K, 330 pages
Book 3: Shadowbane: Eye of Justice 100K, 330 pages
Shadowbane 4 (working title) ???

That's 350K and 1000 pages, give or take.

http://erikscottdebie.com/shadowbane

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

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Sightless
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Can't find anything on e-readers and audio/ reader functions. Just wanted you to know Errick

Now, back to work.

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Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all.
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Areader
Acolyte

USA
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Quick question: what's the "Shadowbane bundle" that Erik mentioned? And where could one purchase it?

Thanks.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 :  21:34:28  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

Can't find anything on e-readers and audio/ reader functions. Just wanted you to know Errick
Now, back to work.
You got my email, yes?

quote:
Originally posted by Areader

Quick question: what's the "Shadowbane bundle" that Erik mentioned? And where could one purchase it?
Thanks.
It's included in the expanded Shadowbane ebook. Buy it from Amazon or B&N, and that's what you'll download.

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Signature of Shameless Self-Promotion +6: Order my sixth novel, Shadow of the Winter King (Amazon, e-signing, Dragonmoon Press)

Also check out my Realms work, most recently Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, out now on e-readers everywhere! (Kindle, Nook)
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