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sfdragon
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 09:57:11
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you know, for some deranged reason
i always figured that Neveren’s Betrayal was an elven thinblade....
if i remembered which page it was id look myself, the page where they were discussing it in depths of madness.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 16:47:14
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Originally posted by sfdragon
you know, for some deranged reason
i always figured that Neveren’s Betrayal was an elven thinblade....
if i remembered which page it was id look myself, the page where they were discussing it in depths of madness.
thinblade( see races of the wild or CW, preferably ROF)
Excellent question! (And the pages you mean are 77-78.)
Suffice it to say that:
Flavor-wise, Betrayal is intended (by me) to be a slightly modified rapier that is a little shorter than the standard length--which isn't at all unusual, actual swords varied a good deal in history. People had all different sorts of blades and crossguards and hilts and balances to match their individual styles. Betrayal could easily have been specially commissioned to match a particular fencer, who was *not*--for the record--initially Twilight.
It is worth noting also that Betrayal is not a "modern" sword (that is, late 14th century model) but was, rather, forged in another era.
(Quoth Twilight: "One of the first Hizaghuur weapons ever crafted in the Northland, long before the rise of Cormanthyr, in the days when elves and dwarves traded freely . . . 'twas a commission--and not by me." [p. 78] Of course, she might well be lying or just be mistaken at this point--being under 100 years old, she's certainly not dispensing first-hand information about it.)
And under the conventions of fencing in that other era, blades may have been a bit shorter. Symbolically, the shorter the blade, the braver one has to be; if anything, a short rapier like Twilight's hails from a period of fierce, toe-to-toe fencing practice.
That Twilight's companions brought up a conversation about her sword doesn't reflect that it's a different weapon altogether--only that it is unusually short--and perhaps that it is curiously shaped around the hilt. This is for a kind of fencing I call reversed-arm fencing, whereby instead of holding your arm out in front of you, you cock it around to shorten up the thrusting length, aiding in sudden close-combat situations (e.g., when you step inside your opponent's guard to negate their reach).
(Note: this is a cheap, devilish sort of trick to play on a taller fencer, particularly one--like me--who is used to distance fighting. Take away my reach, and I'm practically beaten. But I digress.)
And, on that note, a shortened length reflects Twilight's individual style, which incorporates a great deal of close-in, dirty sort of fighting, and her evolution as a fencer.
Initially (mechanically: as a 1st level rogue with the dodge feat--or, if you prefer, a 1st level thief in 1e and 2e), the girl who would become Fox-at-Twilight used a shortsword, which was what she had access to at the time, and her style developed with blades of that size. She was a frantic, strike-from-hiding, jab-jab-jab-and-hope-I-don't-die sort of fighter, lacking the grace and finesse that is reflected mechanically in the swashbuckler class.
She only switched to the rapier under the tutelage of whoever it was who taught her fencing, and at that point close-in fighting was so deeply embedded in her style that she preferred to use a shorter rapier than was the norm, rather than relearn far-distance fencing (though she can do that also, of course, by this level). And fortunately for her . . . but the rest is purposefully ambiguous history. 
And speaking mechanically:
There aren't really mechanics devised for swords of a slightly different shape. A curved longsword and a straight longsword do the same thing: 1d8, 19-20/x2, Slashing. So a rapier and a slightly shorter rapier (albeit unusually made in terms of the grip and hilt for use in reversed arm fencing) are mechanically the same: a rapier, 1d6, 18-20/x2, piercing.
Also, mechanically speaking, a thinblade is an exotic weapon and the 3.5e FR rules do not support Twilight using one (well, we *could* build her that way, but she'd be losing one of her precious feats, not to mention having trouble qualifying for her PrCs--it's not really worth it). Also, I dimly recall thinking that a thinblade is *longer* than a standard rapier, which would make it an unlikely analog.
And of course, finally, in your campaign you can have her using whatever weaponry you want!
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 17:09:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Why do you think she got kicked out that one time?
Who would've thought that spiking the scribes' watered ale or dancing on top of open books--
I've heard it said that Twilight also taught our famed Calishite dancing girls a move, or three. 
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Aravine
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 17:14:29
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Why do you think she got kicked out that one time?
Who would've thought that spiking the scribes' watered ale or dancing on top of open books--
I've heard it said that Twilight also taught our famed Calishite dancing girls a move, or three.
We have Calishite dancing girls?
No! No! we absolutely do not have Calishite dancing girls! *Looks around for Big Al* Absolutley not! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 17:31:40
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Suffice it to say that:
Great stuff Erik!
Your interest in fencing must have been of great use when developing this aspect of Twilight's particular fighting style. Well done.
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We have Calishite dancing girls?
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sfdragon
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Posted - 04 Apr 2008 : 09:38:51
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| another question, her swashbuckler lvls, so let me get this straight, they are treated as 1 lvl higher, does that mean the dc or class abilities, as insightful strike is a lvl 3 feature. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 03:24:33
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Good question--to clarify:
The PrC Uncanny Trickster (from the Complete Scoundrel) gives, at 2nd and 3rd level, a bump in "class features" for one of the character's pre-existing classes.
For instance, a 6th level rogue/1st level uncanny trickster goes up to 8th level, chooses to increase uncanny trickster, gets this increase, and applies it (naturally) to rogue, thus gaining the sneak attack abilities of a 7th level rogue.
In Twilight's case, she has two class feature bumps, which are applied to swashbuckler and shadowdancer respectively, giving her the class abilities of a swashbuckler 3 and a shadowdancer 5.
This does not apply to saving throw increases, hit dice, etc.--only to class features for those two classes.
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 04:12:44
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Good question--to clarify:
The PrC Uncanny Trickster (from the Complete Scoundrel) gives, at 2nd and 3rd level, a bump in "class features" for one of the character's pre-existing classes.
For instance, a 6th level rogue/1st level uncanny trickster goes up to 8th level, chooses to increase uncanny trickster, gets this increase, and applies it (naturally) to rogue, thus gaining the sneak attack abilities of a 7th level rogue.
In Twilight's case, she has two class feature bumps, which are applied to swashbuckler and shadowdancer respectively, giving her the class abilities of a swashbuckler 3 and a shadowdancer 5.
This does not apply to saving throw increases, hit dice, etc.--only to class features for those two classes.
Cheers
Uncanny Trickster is quickly becoming one of my all-time favourite PrCs... I have a PC that made good use of that build:
Bard 6/Lyric Thaumaturge 3/Shadow Adept 1/Shadowcraft Mage 1/Uncanny Trickster 3/Sublime Chord 1
I applied both UncTrick "class feature bumps" to Sublime Chord (each level increases your bard ability by one, and accelerates your bard spells progression)
Mod edit: replaced all the underscores in that build with spaces, because it was stretching out the page.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 22:58:57
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Wow, now *that's* a build--really makes you think about the bard being the "lowly fifth" character in an adventuring band. I have no doubt your bard could mop the floor with lovely Twilight!
Complete Scoundrel is one of my favorite sourcebooks as well. I saw so much in there I wondered if Mike hadn't peered into my mind and seen all the goodies I wanted.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 01:30:34
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| I would like to add that bards do not by any means deserve their reputation as weak. Needless to say, I love playing them. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 09:51:16
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the class is weak, combat wise.
i use a bard myself for and only for:
secondary healer, archer with crossbows, and someone to stand back and protect the arcane casters. and it excels at those well enough.
but a light repeating +4 holy crossbow with its ammo with drow paralyzing poison or the limblock poison is well an interesting picture to paint in my mind........
speaking of which, i wonder can one have one of those repeating crossbows set up for unlimited ammo, like the quivers that always produced extra arrows??
oh by every god and his mother, get that out of my head.......... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 15:11:00
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| Well, sfdragon, needless to say I see the class as having much more potential than you described. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 08 Apr 2008 : 10:18:57
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, sfdragon, needless to say I see the class as having much more potential than you described.
well now, they make good diplomats too, as well as buffers.
i can also say that I have even less use for sorcerers.
most of my bard characters just end up annoying me, and that one of Obsidian, whats his name Grobnar was just annoyingly ammusing.
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 19:08:55
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Not that bards are particularly the subject of this thread, but since we're chatting about it anyway . . .
Bards shine in my campaigns, 'Lyrna, owing to them (my campaigns, that is) being not much about combat, generally. My games tend to be roleplay-intensive, and bards tend to make excellent characters to portray. They have a depth of character built into them that some of the other classes (perhaps the more mechanically stimulating ones) tend to lack.
Which is not to say, of course, that one can't RP one's 1st level human fighter to true RPing greatness! The bard's mechanics just *force* it to be roleplayed well.
One of the games I ran last year at GenCon (and am running the sequel again this year) has no dice-rolling at all and is entirely about RPing--combat and everything.
I do agree, SFD, that they tend to be a little weak on the combat side, mechanically, but if you get into a fight with your bard, you probably made a mistake somewhere along the line! 
What is that D&D motivation poster . . .
BLUFF: If you've got enough ranks in it, you don't NEED combat skills.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 00:37:06
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Bards shine in my campaigns, 'Lyrna, owing to them (my campaigns, that is) being not much about combat, generally. My games tend to be roleplay-intensive, and bards tend to make excellent characters to portray. They have a depth of character built into them that some of the other classes (perhaps the more mechanically stimulating ones) tend to lack.
I tend to agree for the most part. But I think it's also partly intentional favoritism from the DM. Along with wizards, bards are my favorite character class. And as such, I like my bardic characters to be completely detailed, with extensive histories, character analysis, etc. I've even gone as far as actually writing samples of sheet music that the bard will play during role-play sessions with instruments that closely resemble their Realms equivalents. Needless to say, the rest of the group always et a real kick out of our games whenever my bards enter a tavern or local inn with them, because they know the music isn't far behind.
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Victor_ograygor
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 14:53:05
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Bards shine in my campaigns, 'Lyrna, owing to them (my campaigns, that is) being not much about combat, generally. My games tend to be roleplay-intensive, and bards tend to make excellent characters to portray.
I can tell you are the type who likes bards, especially since they pop up in a lot of your fiction.
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BLUFF: If you've got enough ranks in it, you don't NEED combat skills.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 14:54:22
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Originally posted by The Sage
I've even gone as far as actually writing samples of sheet music that the bard will play during role-play sessions with instruments that closely resemble their Realms equivalents. Needless to say, the rest of the group always et a real kick out of our games whenever my bards enter a tavern or local inn with them, because they know the music isn't far behind.
Now that's what I call intense roleplaying... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 15:01:35
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Sage
I've even gone as far as actually writing samples of sheet music that the bard will play during role-play sessions with instruments that closely resemble their Realms equivalents. Needless to say, the rest of the group always et a real kick out of our games whenever my bards enter a tavern or local inn with them, because they know the music isn't far behind.
Now that's what I call intense roleplaying...
Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 15:12:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it.
Of course. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 17:23:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it.
Aye, it is. The players in my group know that if I've been working on a piece of music during my own time, it'll likely feature in our campaigns at some point.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 18:05:55
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
I just finished the book THE DEPTHS OF MADNESS
That was one of the best fantasy books I have ever read.. wauu
And I hat to admit it but… I was fooled in to believing it was Twilight
Brilliant written and thought off Erik Scott de Bie
Thanks you Victor. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
When you say you were fooled--do you mean by the cover art?
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Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it.
Aye, it is. The players in my group know that if I've been working on a piece of music during my own time, it'll likely feature in our campaigns at some point.
Well done, Sage--I compliment that sort of multimedia savvy!
Bardic music is important in my campaigns, though I stop short of making the player sing (mostly for the sake of everyone around the table). I do, however, insist that the bard's player come up with what the song to inspire courage is about--what heroic deeds are you singing about? What epic story are you telling?
If it's particularly apt for the characters/setting/scenario (i.e. mechanically, if I feel like it), then it gives an extra bonus.
A bard commemorating the battle of the Red Knight in the ToT for a battle in which the characters are coordinating their tactics and holding off a horde of monsters through intelligence rather than brute force . . . that would be very apt.
But the inspire heroism based on the epic struggle of the bard's pet gold fish, well . . .
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sfdragon
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 20:19:19
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i bought that book because of the cover, i like elves and ropers.
didnt know the cleric was going to ...... well i wont spoil it for anyone else.
oh, and if i got in a fight with my bard, then well id have to check myself in to some insane asylum while eravan laughs his head off.
btw, my current bard character, i have changed his levels around and after looking at fox's stats i decided to add a few levels of swashbuckler to my warchanter. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 20:27:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it.
Aye, it is. The players in my group know that if I've been working on a piece of music during my own time, it'll likely feature in our campaigns at some point.
can you post some of it?? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 20:46:58
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But the inspire heroism based on the epic struggle of the bard's pet gold fish, well . . .
Well, what? That could be epic! |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 01:58:07
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Bardic music is important in my campaigns, though I stop short of making the player sing (mostly for the sake of everyone around the table).
Fortunately, my current campaign group is composed of two ensemble vocalists and a violinist, so they each know a little something about music. At times, our games can sound somewhat like an impromptu classical/folk choir when the opportunity for musical play comes into the campaign.
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I do, however, insist that the bard's player come up with what the song to inspire courage is about--what heroic deeds are you singing about? What epic story are you telling?
Neat. I love developing the backgrounds for songs which may feature in a campaign. It's not really something you can get into when the PC's are listening to a minstrel weaving her tale at the local inn. But if there are bardic characters among my players [and there are two in my current group], I expect that when they engage in a little musical play, they know something about what they're singing.
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A bard commemorating the battle of the Red Knight in the ToT for a battle in which the characters are coordinating their tactics and holding off a horde of monsters through intelligence rather than brute force . . . that would be very apt.
I agree.
I've kinda delved a little further than that, though. My current passion at the moment, is trying to write music for the various Realms instruments that have been referenced in the Realmslore. Granted, it's hard to write music for instruments you've never heard being played, but some of them have Earth equivalents, and I usually attempt to use that as a basis. So that, when a bardic character plays a tocken or a yarting, we'll all have *some* idea of what they sound like.
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 02:00:45
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can you post some of it??
Hmmm... I suppose I could try. Obviously, I can't post images of my sheet music here [due to the inability to post images directing into posts], but I can scan one or two portions and temporarily upload them to one of FTPs I use for work.
Is there anything you'd like to see in particular?
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Victor_ograygor
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 08:02:43
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
I just finished the book THE DEPTHS OF MADNESS
That was one of the best fantasy books I have ever read.. wauu
And I hat to admit it but… I was fooled in to believing it was Twilight
Brilliant written and thought off Erik Scott de Bie
Thanks you Victor. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
When you say you were fooled--do you mean by the cover art?
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sage is also far more musically inclined than most of us. I think that's a major part of it.
Aye, it is. The players in my group know that if I've been working on a piece of music during my own time, it'll likely feature in our campaigns at some point.
Well done, Sage--I compliment that sort of multimedia savvy!
Bardic music is important in my campaigns, though I stop short of making the player sing (mostly for the sake of everyone around the table). I do, however, insist that the bard's player come up with what the song to inspire courage is about--what heroic deeds are you singing about? What epic story are you telling?
If it's particularly apt for the characters/setting/scenario (i.e. mechanically, if I feel like it), then it gives an extra bonus.
A bard commemorating the battle of the Red Knight in the ToT for a battle in which the characters are coordinating their tactics and holding off a horde of monsters through intelligence rather than brute force . . . that would be very apt.
But the inspire heroism based on the epic struggle of the bard's pet gold fish, well . . .
Cheers
No… I am thinking of the end in the book when the main villa reveled himself
I usually don’t read your books, but this book made me think otherwise. If you could recommend some other book whit the same kind of surprise in the end, ore as well written as this one, I would be glad to know.
Keep up the good work
Vic
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 17:36:33
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Ah, I see--so I gotcha with the mystery!
Though if you please, we might ease off the spoilers?!! Would you edit your post to remove that line? I'd be much obliged.
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
I usually don’t read your books, but this book made me think otherwise.
Ouch! Seriously--but I'm glad this one changed your mind!
And if you're a big fan, you might consider posting a review on Amazon or the like. I would be very pleased to read your feedback, and I love the press.
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If you could recommend some other book whit the same kind of surprise in the end, ore as well written as this one, I would be glad to know.
There's only one other novel out there by me as-yet, which is Ghostwalker. Also twisty, also action-packed. If you haven't read that one, you might give it a try.
If you want to read more about Twilight, she features in "The Greater Treasure," a short story in the Realms of the Elves anthology. The story takes place in 1362, so it predates Depths.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 : 10:09:01
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so which paragon path acrobat or master infiltrator?
leaning toward master infiltrator since the shadowdancer is gone.
rogue 10/ master infiltrator 5( or 9 in the years to coome gamewise) |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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