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Ardashir
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 Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 16:50:55
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Originally posted by Fillow
Great work ! really great ! as usual...
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If all of this was compiled into a pdf, I'm sure Big Al would be happy to host it. 
And what about this good idea ?
Big Al posted it as part of yesterday's site update. Or you can use the direct links below.
http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/tdom-part1.zip
http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/tdom-part2.zip
Bless you for posting all of this. I loved Depths of Madness and this was a delight to find and read.
But one, well two, points -- shouldn't both Slip and Liet actually be of a higher level, Chaotic Evil in alignment, and possess at least a few levels in the Thrall of Demogorgon Prestige Class? |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 17:00:29
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, now *that's* a build--really makes you think about the bard being the "lowly fifth" character in an adventuring band. I have no doubt your bard could mop the floor with lovely Twilight!
Complete Scoundrel is one of my favorite sourcebooks as well. I saw so much in there I wondered if Mike hadn't peered into my mind and seen all the goodies I wanted.
Cheers
Yes, Complete Scoundrel is a great book. Myself, I'm big on two feats in particular, the one that combines rogue/swashbuckler abilities as you advance and the 'Deadly Defense' that makes you even more dangerous when, well, fighting defensively. Stand right up and get laid right down! |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
954 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 12:17:38
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I was away on business when 4E came out, so I have no idea on what her 4E stats might look like and would be tempted to wait until PH2 or 3 comes out next year or the year after because she was built by Erik for 3.5E specifically.
As for Slip and Liet, what you see is pre-spoiler information on them. For full write ups, both would change a fair amount. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 20:28:54
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Depths SPOILERS!!!!
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Originally posted by Ardashir
But one, well two, points -- shouldn't both Slip and Liet actually be of a higher level, Chaotic Evil in alignment, and possess at least a few levels in the Thrall of Demogorgon Prestige Class?
Good points. Tom has the right of it. To further expound:
Well, I never presented Slip as being all that powerful--just clever. That level gives her access to all the powers that she uses in the book. Her patron deity and alignment are listed that way in the PDF so as not to spoil Depths too much. In actuality, they are Demogorgon and CE respectively.
While *Liet* is only a warrior 5 and of the listed alignment, *Gestal* is not statted out in the PDF . . . If he were, likely you'd see a mix of fighter/cleric/thrall of demogorgon and chaotic evil. He would probably be around 20th level, if not actually epic.
END SPOILERS!!!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 21:48:03
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| no comment on my version of Fox's 4e stats?? |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 04:04:52
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| Reads like you captured a lot of her powers sfdragon, though I'm not sure if her levels should drop under 4E or not, but like I said, without having had a chance to read the 4E rules yet, I can't really say one way or another. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 05:10:14
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Well, we really don't know what Twilight is/would look like in the 4e FR. A lot of things can happen in 100 years. She could easily have lost levels through any number of events--energy drain and/or death among them.
Your stats, sfdragon, are totally on target to describe the sorts of powers she has in 3.5 FR, which is good, if she doesn't change . . . though she might. While speculation is a good thing, it might be better to wait and see if she appears at all. If I get to write a 4e FR novel with Twilight, I can almost guarantee that she'll have picked up a few new tricks. (You know Light. )
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 16:24:23
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| I'd like to point out that eladrin don't have pupils (in their eyes), at least according to the core rulebooks. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 21:51:33
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'd like to point out that eladrin don't have pupils (in their eyes), at least according to the core rulebooks.
aye but thats just the core, which means nothing to the realms. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 23:32:45
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Have they announced how they'll do the elf/eladrin thing?
I do think Eladrin makes more sense for Twilight, who I don't think has touched a bow in her life.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 23:44:21
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Rich has said in very broad strokes that moon, sun, and star elves are "probably" eladrin and that wild and wood elves would be just elves. Drow will most likely remain drow.  |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 00:04:16
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Rich has said in very broad strokes that moon, sun, and star elves are "probably" eladrin and that wild and wood elves would be just elves. Drow will most likely remain drow.
I was about to say the same thing when I realized that there was a 5th page and I should see if someone else had already done so. Silly gremlins at work again... |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 00:36:22
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'd like to point out that eladrin don't have pupils (in their eyes), at least according to the core rulebooks.
you still rubbing it in that you got your amazon set and I haven't? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 01:00:34
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Originally posted by sfdragon
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'd like to point out that eladrin don't have pupils (in their eyes), at least according to the core rulebooks.
aye but thats just the core, which means nothing to the realms.
I don't agree. A lot of core elements are being brought to the Realms, such as the new cosmology. Part of the point of redoing the setting is to make it in-line with the new rules, and make the settings more interchangable (that is, every product is useful even if you want to make your own setting).
That being said, the pupilless eladrin thing is indeed a flavor element that be used or discarded at will. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 01:03:14
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Have they announced how they'll do the elf/eladrin thing?
Kind of, though not in detail. Sun elves, moon elves and star elves are "eladrin". Wood elves and wild elves are "elves".
In the core rulebooks, elves have pupils, eladrin don't. No word on what the deal with that will be in the Realms. According to Rich Baker, Faerunian eladrin will be getting that ability that lets them zip in and out of the Feywild (I don't remember the name of it offhand). |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 01:05:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Rich has said in very broad strokes that moon, sun, and star elves are "probably" eladrin and that wild and wood elves would be just elves. Drow will most likely remain drow.
Going by the pictures, drow don't seem to have pupils either... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 01:06:06
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
you still rubbing it in that you got your amazon set and I haven't?
YES. |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 02:57:12
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
you still rubbing it in that you got your amazon set and I haven't?
YES.
Thats OK. Someday I'll get over it |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 09:08:32
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Have they announced how they'll do the elf/eladrin thing?
I do think Eladrin makes more sense for Twilight, who I don't think has touched a bow in her life.
Cheers
statblock wise yes and no, appearances no |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 14:57:22
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Ayep--one more reason to wait at least until the setting appears before we try to assign a build of some kind, eh?
And what would Twilight have been up to in those intervening 100 years, I wonder? More naughty than nice, I imagine.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 16:09:49
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Ayep--one more reason to wait at least until the setting appears before we try to assign a build of some kind, eh?
You can make an unofficial build. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 21:08:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You can make an unofficial build.
Hmm, I *could* do that, but it might be better to wait and see if/how she's going to reappear in 1479. New tricks, like I said.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 : 21:40:01
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| according to Mr. Baker, the silver, gold and mythral elves will maintain their skin tones. but their eyes are..... but then Fox always seamed a bit more feyish than most other elves.... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 14:01:30
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You can make an unofficial build.
Hmm, I *could* do that, but it might be better to wait and see if/how she's going to reappear in 1479. New tricks, like I said.
Cheers
Understood.
By the way, Rich said not to be surprised if sun elves, moon elves, and star elves are "pupilless" (ie. eyes are one solid color--no whites, no pupils) in the new artwork for the Realms. So apparently, that characteristic will apply in the Realms. :) |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 15:05:19
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
By the way, Rich said not to be surprised if sun elves, moon elves, and star elves are "pupilless" (ie. eyes are one solid color--no whites, no pupils) in the new artwork for the Realms. So apparently, that characteristic will apply in the Realms. :)
Meh. That's cool by me. If they're doing it pupil-less, I can dig.
I personally really like eladrin as a player race. Totally my new fav*, and a much better fit for Twilight than the 4e elf (whew! made the right subrace choice back in the day).
(*Though I'll always have a special place in my little gamer heart for tieflings.  )
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 16:10:30
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
By the way, Rich said not to be surprised if sun elves, moon elves, and star elves are "pupilless" (ie. eyes are one solid color--no whites, no pupils) in the new artwork for the Realms. So apparently, that characteristic will apply in the Realms. :)
Meh. That's cool by me. If they're doing it pupil-less, I can dig.
I personally really like eladrin as a player race. Totally my new fav*, and a much better fit for Twilight than the 4e elf (whew! made the right subrace choice back in the day).
(*Though I'll always have a special place in my little gamer heart for tieflings. )
Cheers
Yeah, I agree, I like all the new player races, including tieflings (that is, the new version of them). I don't plan to use the 4E Realms, but I would really love to use the 4E rules in the "core setting". :) |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 17:23:22
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there is no core setting in 4e, its all interchangeable, so anything in the FR can show up in the greyhawk setting in 5 years to come, and anything in the eberron( puke) CS can be used in the FR setting....
Points of light would have done better if they made it a setting, all they had to do was make a map, put in 6 cities, and say the map was twenty years old and obsolete so there could have been more towns and villages, and some of the cities could of become ruins..... this is one reason why 4e isnt all that |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Magister's GAmbit
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 25 Jun 2008 : 18:27:11
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Interesting discussion but venturing a little from topic, guys.
As far as the 4e FR elves/eladrin goes--I'm interested to see how they handle it.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Jun 2008 : 01:26:32
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I'm inclined to agree. While the 4e elf/eladrin discussion is interesting, it's really something that should be discussed in its own scroll.
Let's get back on topic.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Jun 2008 : 14:02:00
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| Sorry, I just can't help but spread my enthusiasum about certain things. |
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