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LordofBones
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Posted - 21 Apr 2017 :  10:19:15  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*massages temples*

Saint Bane is a paladin of Pelor who was elevated to hero-deity status after slaying a powerful servant of Orcus and heavily wounding Orcus himself, and the patron of all those who hunt the undead. He's a Flan power and saint, and has nothing to do with the greater power Bane - no more than the 4e Bane has anything to do with the Faerunian Bane.

I mean, this has meandered into the ridiculous now. Nerull was still alive and well until 4e decided to wipe him off the map alongside Istus, Boccob, Hextor, Wee Jas and so many others, and he's back again in 5e, with the Raven Queen no longer mentioned.

Also, that "ancient goddess Tomeri" is a Zakharan goddess, if I'm not mistaken.
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 May 2017 :  17:01:27  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Stillsong the Singing Sphere: http://bit.ly/2pAAh5J

Stillsong is a very unusual entity, apparently transitioning from one state to another. What he was before, and what he is to become is unknown. He grants no spells and has no priesthood, and represents a wandering benevolent force throughout the planes.

Jeff

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Markustay
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Posted - 01 May 2017 :  18:58:05  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very cool - is that something new you've come up with, or was it from something?

If I used IMG, I'd also add something akin to Ghost Rider's 'Penance Stare' for evil creatures hearing its song.

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 May 2017 :  20:50:15  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Stillsong has an entry in Monster Mythology (if I don't mention a source for a deity, it's likely from DMGR4), and gets a discussion in *I think* the Planes of Conflict boxed set for Planescape. He's in one of them, I just can't remember exactly which one.

Jeff

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TBeholder
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Posted - 01 May 2017 :  21:35:55  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

and gets a discussion in *I think* the Planes of Conflict boxed set for Planescape. He's in one of them, I just can't remember exactly which one.

planewalker.com refers to Monster Mythology, Planes of Conflict and On Hallowed Ground.

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 May 2017 :  02:45:30  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

planewalker.com refers to Monster Mythology, Planes of Conflict and On Hallowed Ground.



Ah good, I remembered correctly. :)

He's only mentioned in On Hallowed Ground in the lists in the back.

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LordofBones
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Posted - 03 May 2017 :  05:46:28  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Stillsong is certainly one of the weirder powers out there.

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?
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sleyvas
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Posted - 03 May 2017 :  17:57:55  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Stillsong is certainly one of the weirder powers out there.

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?



Wow, that's weird that you mention Thasmudyan and Velsharoon. Some of the early history that I had worked up for Velsharoon BEFORE he helped start the red wizard uprising had him actually visiting the isle of Sehu (sp?). I had it that that's where he learned the skills of a dread necromancer (the 3.5e version, as I had his mortal form to be a triple classed non-specialist wizard/dread necromancer/binder with anima mage and some other prestige class that built both arcane school <maybe ultimate magus>). I didn't ever build more into him for the location..... and man, I just realized I started writing a short story back in 2011 and never finished it.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Jun 2017 :  17:00:49  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Syranita, Mistress of the Aarakocra: http://bit.ly/2qFphWC

The only non-aquatic member of Deep Sashelas’s asathalfinare, Syranita is the protector-goddess of the aarakocra. She is an excellent diplomat, and is always on the look out for new allies to help protect her gentle race.

Jeff

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 01 Jun 2017 :  17:32:32  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I continue to be amazed by your work. Kudos for your patience and persistence!
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AuldDragon
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Posted - 01 Jun 2017 :  17:49:21  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

I continue to be amazed by your work. Kudos for your patience and persistence!



Thanks! :D

Jeff

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sleyvas
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  00:25:15  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Syranita, Mistress of the Aarakocra: http://bit.ly/2qFphWC

The only non-aquatic member of Deep Sashelas’s asathalfinare, Syranita is the protector-goddess of the aarakocra. She is an excellent diplomat, and is always on the look out for new allies to help protect her gentle race.

Jeff



Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.

BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.

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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  00:32:44  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is interesting in that it ties in nicely to my 'lava-light theory' of godhood. That the 'stuff' of godhood is actually finite, so in order for one to arise, another must fall (there is only so much 'divine power' to go around). But its even more complicated than that - all of that 'divine stuff' that floating around in the universe is much like that crap floating around inside a lava-lap - it breaks apart, it reforms, it makes smaller pieces, it combines into greater ones - that how I picture godhood working. All these gods absorbing/combining with each other, and breaking apart (Tyche into Beshaba and Tymora, for example), and also all those 'conjoined/tripartite deities. Thus, the cosmology is a lava-lamp. forever evolving into new things, some of which may be reminiscent of older things, and some 'brand new', but the truth is, it all part of the some glob of stuff that just keeps swirling around and reforming.

Thasmudyan is an older globlet that got absorbed into the newer velsharoon, is all. So while mortals may think one took the place of the other, the truth is that Thasmudyan is still in there somewhere, and could respawn again at some point. Similar things have happened many times before, like in the case where Selvetarm absorbed Zanassu (and he was corrupted by it).
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Stillsong is certainly one of the weirder powers out there.

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?



Wow, that's weird that you mention Thasmudyan and Velsharoon. Some of the early history that I had worked up for Velsharoon BEFORE he helped start the red wizard uprising had him actually visiting the isle of Sehu (sp?). I had it that that's where he learned the skills of a dread necromancer (the 3.5e version, as I had his mortal form to be a triple classed non-specialist wizard/dread necromancer/binder with anima mage and some other prestige class that built both arcane school <maybe ultimate magus>). I didn't ever build more into him for the location..... and man, I just realized I started writing a short story back in 2011 and never finished it.
'Sahu'

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  01:01:03  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.


That's the only source I've seen, even among later material that often scoured old publications for information. I see Krocaa encompassing hunting as well, so while he isn't aggressive by any means, he's very much a martial type deity.

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.


I would go with the Greek goddess Eris, as she was sometimes depicted as harpy-like. Otherwise, the Queen of Air and Darkness or Cegilune could suffice.

Jeff

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  01:09:52  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

This is interesting in that it ties in nicely to my 'lava-light theory' of godhood. That the 'stuff' of godhood is actually finite, so in order for one to arise, another must fall (there is only so much 'divine power' to go around). But its even more complicated than that - all of that 'divine stuff' that floating around in the universe is much like that crap floating around inside a lava-lap - it breaks apart, it reforms, it makes smaller pieces, it combines into greater ones


My view is that since the planes are infinite, there are an infinite number of mortal inhabitants of those planes, and they have an infinite number of deities.

BUT, there are also infinitely more infinite mortals than there are infinite deities. And yes, it should make your brain hurt. :D

Jeff

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sleyvas
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  13:10:14  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.


That's the only source I've seen, even among later material that often scoured old publications for information. I see Krocaa encompassing hunting as well, so while he isn't aggressive by any means, he's very much a martial type deity.

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.


I would go with the Greek goddess Eris, as she was sometimes depicted as harpy-like. Otherwise, the Queen of Air and Darkness or Cegilune could suffice.

Jeff



Good point, I'll throw hunting on him as well. He's described as having scarlet plumage on his head, so may want to come up with a story for that.

QoA&D... good idea. Also, I hadn't really located the harpies in what I'm looking at, so Cegilune may work if they're around hags. Thank you.

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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  16:16:59  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Will you be writing-up Covfefe "the Dark Whisperer"?

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TBeholder
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Posted - 03 Jun 2017 :  11:09:35  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Syranita, Mistress of the Aarakocra: http://bit.ly/2qFphWC


Domain Name:           Olympus/Whistledge

Isn't it supposed to be on the border of Arborea and Ysgard, rather than just a part of a big layer?

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AuldDragon
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Posted - 03 Jun 2017 :  16:21:21  Show Profile  Visit AuldDragon's Homepage Send AuldDragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by AuldDragon

Syranita, Mistress of the Aarakocra: http://bit.ly/2qFphWC


Domain Name:           Olympus/Whistledge

Isn't it supposed to be on the border of Arborea and Ysgard, rather than just a part of a big layer?



Both can be true. The planes are infinite, so it's a metaphysical border rather than a physical one. It is the portion of Olympus that is most like Ysgard, and where it is easiest to get to Ysgard. But her realm is still fully within the layer of Olympus. Check Planes of Chaos for how it is described, and the realm format follows the lists in On Hallowed Ground.

Jeff

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