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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:22:23
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
They skipped right over 10 interesting years! Who's idea was this? I guess I won't be buying this product.
I'm not sure it's so bad, it's not like if years is something we can run out. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:28:02
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Originally posted by Skeptic
I'm not sure it's so bad, it's not like if years is something we can run out.
I guess I can't be so sure it's bad until I actually get more information and see the product for myself. But my initial reaction is not exactly a happy one. The FR designers have, again and again, been disappointing me lately.
And I agree with what Faraer said. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:30:35
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You know, if it had been two years, or perhaps even five, maybe it wouldn't be so bad . . . we'll miss years of intrigue as Azoun V grows up . . . likely miss a bunch of characters retiring and perhaps disappearing from Realmslore for the foreseeable future.
Not to mention, this might come out in time to spoil the Twilight War books, and will come out before the end of the Haunted Lands Trilogy . . . |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:35:20
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
You know, if it had been two years, or perhaps even five, maybe it wouldn't be so bad . . . we'll miss years of intrigue as Azoun V grows up . . . likely miss a bunch of characters retiring and perhaps disappearing from Realmslore for the foreseeable future.
But we will get the first problems met by the young king, we will meet new interesting NPCs that took the place of the retired ones, etc.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:36:59
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| I prefer to watch the course of Faerunian history (what little we see of it) unfold slowly, at a year by year pace. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:40:03
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I prefer to watch the course of Faerunian history (what little we see of it) unfold slowly, at a year by year pace.
In fact I would probably like it better that way too. I hope that they will say us why they have done it. IMHO, it's because they wanted a reasonable timeframe to set up some important changes... |
Edited by - Skeptic on 19 Aug 2007 02:40:31 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:46:15
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Originally posted by Skeptic
In fact I would probably like it better that way too. I hope that they will say us why they have done it. IMHO, it's because they wanted a reasonable timeframe to set up some important changes...
Sadly, if that's the case, it's all the more reason for me to ignore this product.:-/ |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 19 Aug 2007 02:46:31 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 02:46:47
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It just feels like too many loose ends are going to get hand waved, again, as they were before. We have so many I can't even remember them all (but I'll try), and I'm afraid that not only will they get resolved "off screen," but that too many of them will be forgotten.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 03:01:36
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It makes you wonder how many of the realms NPCs are going to be "retired" especially the less long lived ones
Also I wonder what the novel schedueles like and who will write the first novel in the 4th edition start date
Looks like theres a new class in 4ed called "Warlord" |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 03:03:09
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Sadly, if that's the case, it's all the more reason for me to ignore this product.:-/
Hmm.. I don't think many RSE will happen during those 10 years, what I mean is that 10 years later we can see the effects of all the RSE that happened rencently and having some more "stable" realms (including an orcish one ).
But that's only speculation... |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 04:42:19
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Oye.. 10 years.. I can see the Zhents and Shade expanding their territories.. poor dalelands. :(
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 04:44:38
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Originally posted by Dargoth
It makes you wonder how many of the realms NPCs are going to be "retired" especially the less long lived ones
Also I wonder what the novel schedueles like and who will write the first novel in the 4th edition start date
Looks like theres a new class in 4ed called "Warlord"
Considering the 1385-based FRCS will come out before the end of some current trilogies (the Thay one springs to mind), how will they not spoil that? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 04:50:09
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Well there will just be a page or 10 that are written in invisable ink until novels are sold. *shrugs*
I do not know what lore will be in the book, Ed might not be sure yet what makes the cut. Thay, Shade, The Tree of Life, the Drow deity game are all uncertain now. That likely would have settled somewhat in 10 years. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Lord Nemes
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 05:45:45
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Or maybe those trilogies will catch 1385 by their ends? Some plots or wars may take years...
Just a thought... |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 05:49:44
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
Considering the 1385-based FRCS will come out before the end of some current trilogies (the Thay one springs to mind), how will they not spoil that?
Who says they have to be spoiled? 3E supplement cames out completely ignoring what was going on in the novels. :P
4E Realms might also be getting a new logo, if so, then probably like 3E, we won't see the novels using the logo until their set in the 4E timeline. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 06:56:01
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| Jumping 10 years is going to have an interesting effect on novels... After all, some of the current major characters won't be nearly as spry in 10 years, and will thus be less suitable for adventuring. I'm wondering if this means we'll never see Erevis Cale, for example, in another starring role, or what's going to happen with Drizzt's companions... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 07:25:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Jumping 10 years is going to have an interesting effect on novels... After all, some of the current major characters won't be nearly as spry in 10 years, and will thus be less suitable for adventuring. I'm wondering if this means we'll never see Erevis Cale, for example, in another starring role, or what's going to happen with Drizzt's companions...
Out of the NPCs you mention only Wulfgar and Catti Brie are likely to be affected by adding 10 years to thier age
Drizzt is 60 something drow (a race that often lives into the 700s)
Bruenors and Regis are both members of long lived races
and Erevis Cale is practically immortal at least according to Shadowbred |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 07:48:32
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Don't forget that Artemis is no longer a simple human too.
My greatest question is.. is El going to make the cut... |
Edited by - Skeptic on 19 Aug 2007 08:37:32 |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 08:23:59
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| Mirt and Piergerion can't last that much longer. On the plus side, we might have Laeral back. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 09:39:59
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Well, Mirt has (if I remember) had a tendency to use potions of longevity, so he might have some years left. Piergerion and several other rulers might be another case.
As for advancing the timeline ten years. If they are going to keep on introducing large plots and major happenings a speeding up of the timeline is needed to keep it from getting ridiculous. How many large scale changes has been done in the last three or four years of Realms history? I would prefer that they kept the evolvement slow and the plots small, but, as with Dragonlance, large scale conflicts will seem like Ragnarok if they bunch them together as they do at the moment.
Then again, I usually play in the 40's and 50's, so I am the wrong person to comment on this. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:15:55
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Well, Ed and THO have confirmed that both Mirt and Durnan have used longevity potions. As has Filfaeril, and dozens more NPCs in the Realms.
From March '04 --
"Wooly Rupert, I think Mirt and Durnan are both a trifle OLDER than 120. Still unpublished is the essential Realmslore short story in which they acquired as treasure certain drinkables that might be expressed in AD&D terms (the D&D game came along after I wrote the story) as slightly-variant Potions of Longevity. So, yes, they appear to be rather leathery/fat/worn-but-vigorous 50-ish males. The way the published Realms has turned out, the careers of Mirt and Durnan have been sadly neglected, but you will see their present-day selves adventuring together in my tale in the forthcoming Realms of Dragons anthology (end of 2004, I believe)."
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Ulicus
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 16:03:26
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I'm not too fussed if they jump ahead several years with the new FRCS. In fact, I'm quite keen on the idea, despite the perfectly valid points raised in opposition to it.
Then again, I would have liked them to have leapt forward a century after the ToT - so perhaps I'm not the best person to offer an opinion on the matter  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 16:05:05
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Piergerion is also mentioned in the City of Splendors novel has having been given longevity by magic that also makes him less able to be healed, so its not inconceivable that he would still be around in ten years either.
Both of our "boy kings," in Impiltur and Cormyr, will be a bit more in charge of things. (I know, Impiltur has a head start)
I would like some setting specific information on longevity magic though since its a long running thread in the setting, or at least something mentioning what humans have and haven't been affected, not so much for those of us that have picked it up over the years, but for those newer Realms fans that might read an old reference down the line and say "hey, this doesn't make sense, X is 150 years old!" |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 19:15:37
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Spellplague , not much more there except quote:
There will be a big event in the Realms soon, called the Spellplague. Rich says it won't leave a corner of the Realms untouched.
Another RSE that might even shake the entire Realms. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 19:19:34
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I'm thrilled to have 10 years to work with for my current FR campaign without worrying about advancing the timeline too fast. Paired with the Grand History I should be able to use the FR timeline more efficiently when creating stories for my game.
I don't worry about novel characters dying either. "Small stories" should fit nicely into the 10 year laps without creating too much complication, and as much as I like RSE, I think I've had my fill for a while, so I'm happy to see the next one 10 years into the future.
Unless the Spellplague is a 10 year RSE 
In that case I'm out of here.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 19:45:06
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Okay, I'm back from Gen Con and boy am I tired! Before I take a well deserved nap, I'll add the following about the forthcoming FRCS:
The regional feat concept is being dropped. The new trend for 4E and by extension the 4E FRCS, is to downplay statistical modifiers and rules to describe a characters cultural background or even subrace. Yes, that means gold dwarves and shield dwarves will have the same racial mods, just as all humans are the same regardless of region.
Since the follow up product to the FRCS is a player's guide of sorts, I suspect the FRCS will have little or no prestige class (which remain in 4E btw). Feats, Traits, Prestige Classes, Spells and the like will most likely be in the Player's Guide, thus leaving more page count for geography and Realmslore in the FRCS.
It was felt that the transition from 2E to 3E Realms was handled poorly, in that no in world explanation was given to justify the changes to the setting. The Retcon (retroactive continuity) philosophy of 3E "These changes have always been that way" is going away for 4E. A in-game explanation, ala the Time of Troubles is going to be introduced and it will be known as the Spellplague. Halaster's death in the recent Undermountain product lays the groundwork for this future calamity. There will not be a novel series to explain the Spellplague.
While the new FRCS will remain focused on Faerūn proper (sorry Beyond Faerūn fans), it was mentioned that areas that have previously received little coverage will be expanded upon. Of course we'll get a shiny new poster map as well.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head. I'm off to sleep... |
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Mane
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 19:48:21
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Originally posted by Skeptic
From WoTC GenCon pages : Spellplague is a part of the 3E->4E "ToT", i.e. in-game explanation of edition change, it seems we can expect less retcon this time.
More details on http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=welcome/conventions/gencon07
Hello all!
I have been lurking for a few years, but this is my first post.
What I am worried about is the change of magic system in 4th edition and what it will do to realms (and more specifically mystra).
I mean, if every magic user has some kind of "blast" they can use without any limits, how is it going to be explained in realms?
Spellplague == lots of magic/spells???
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 19:53:23
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The regional feat concept is being dropped. The new trend for 4E and by extension the 4E FRCS, is to downplay statistical modifiers and rules to describe a characters cultural background or even subrace. Yes, that means gold dwarves and shield dwarves will have the same racial mods, just as all humans are the same regardless of region.
Since the follow up product to the FRCS is a player's guide of sorts, I suspect the FRCS will have little or no prestige class (which remain in 4E btw). Feats, Traits, Prestige Classes, Spells and the like will most likely be in the Player's Guide, thus leaving more page count for geography and Realmslore in the FRCS.
It was felt that the transition from 2E to 3E Realms was handled poorly, in that no in world explanation was given to justify the changes to the setting. The Retcon (retroactive continuity) philosophy of 3E "These changes have always been that way" is going away for 4E. A in-game explanation, ala the Time of Troubles is going to be introduced and it will be known as the Spellplague. Halaster's death in the recent Undermountain product lays the groundwork for this future calamity. There will not be a novel series to explain the Spellplague.
While the new FRCS will remain focused on Faerūn proper (sorry Beyond Faerūn fans), it was mentioned that areas that have previously received little coverage will be expanded upon. Of course we'll get a shiny new poster map as well.
Overall I like it ! Thanks Brian ! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 00:50:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Jumping 10 years is going to have an interesting effect on novels... After all, some of the current major characters won't be nearly as spry in 10 years, and will thus be less suitable for adventuring. I'm wondering if this means we'll never see Erevis Cale, for example, in another starring role, or what's going to happen with Drizzt's companions...
But Wooly, Erevis Cale is no longer human. ;) He claims in the books that he might well live for thousands of years.
Still, your main point is on target. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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