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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 01:28:59
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What would Wizards have to provide on there website for you to give them money?
I would pay a monthly subscription for the following every month
Week 1: Volos Guide to Faerun by Eric Boyd (As seen in recent Dragons)
Week 2: Faiths of Faerun by Tom Costa (A pox on Paizo for shutting down Toms articles and then giving the format to Greyhawk!)
Week 3: Cities of Faerun by Ed Greenwood (You know it occurs to me that there currently 3 FR city articles floating in the ether: Eds 2nd Cities of Faerun article, Eric Boyds City of Wyrmshadow and Darrien Draedars Phlan article)
Week 4: "Something crunchy" (this article would have new feats, Affiliations and Presitige class specfic to the forgottn realms that dont fit in any of the other articles)
Each weeks article would have to be around the equivelant of 4 A4 pages of content
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 03:00:59
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| depends on the price. I would not like it though. If I was to pay for a subscription of sorts, I would like updated lore on existing sourcebooks, Stories from authors. Mostly lore in areas not normally used, similar to Ed's border kingdom information |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 03:37:34
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What, pay for online info?
It is unlikely offering everything they had over a few years would not be good enough for me to provide payment information, that could be "misplaced" |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 07:30:40
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Sounds good to me. Maybe Eric Boyd can get full articles published now, instead of only parts.
This new development could easily be a blessing in disguise.
...and I do love the crunchy |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 08:30:57
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| I am not the most likely person to take advantage of this offer, but if I where to be interested it would depend very much upon the price and the amount of Greenwood articles. As I am not a 3ed. player much of the material would naturally not interest me, but lore is edition-less. |
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Saime
Acolyte
Denmark
21 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 12:19:36
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Originally posted by Dargoth
What would Wizards have to provide on there website for you to give them money?
The same contents Dragon and Dungeon provided. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 16:11:05
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If Wizards actually gave us the option to choose from:
a) generic D&D material
b) Realms stuff (as you mentioned it, Dargoth)
c) Eberron
d) various
I'd pay something for it, if they just gave us more marketing BS for some cash, no way in hell I'd pay |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 22:04:48
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| Depends what it was. Like Mace said, if they gave us the options of what to pay for, I'd certainly consider signing up for Realms content. Naturally it would depend on the authors, the frequency/quantity, the usefulness, the quality and the price of it though. I'd also hope they make it open to new writers, the way anybody could submit to Dragon and Dungeon. I would expect online articles they expect people to pay for to be of a high standard though. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6647 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 02:41:52
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Considering what I had to do to my latest Dragon submission - which reminds me, have to get on to them to see if it gets printed - I'd love a no word count scenario.
I'll certainly support any online mags that WotC bring out. If they are Dragon and Dungeon simply in electronic format, I'm fine with that. I also want to get published in them!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 04:18:36
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Originally posted by The Sage
What did you have to do to your article George? How much did you have to cut-out?
Having seen the "before" and "after" products of the wordcount massacre, it looks something like one of those amazing weight loss adverts.
In other words, "too much."
As for the Wizards content, I'll agree that Tom, Eric and Ed should all have regular places in the schedule where they can share their insights with the world. Be advised, however, that George and I will both be doing quite a bit of door-knocking as well. ;) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 04:29:14
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Originally posted by The Sage
What did you have to do to your article George? How much did you have to cut-out?
Having seen the "before" and "after" products of the wordcount massacre, it looks something like one of those amazing weight loss adverts.
In other words, "too much."
Well, at least I know what to expect now with regards to the "final product" of my own efforts -- if it ever gets that far.
Thanks Garen.
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 06:06:32
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It is a given that any kind of Realmslore would guarantee that I would subscribe.
One thing I am hoping for, and which has been hinted at, is some sort of replacement for E-tools character creation software. If they had some sort of easy character generator, especially one that let you work with monsters and easily let you slap templates and class levels on them, I would consider that a godsend for the the weekly game that I run.
One of my most time consuming preparation tasks is statting up monsters. It takes me a long time if I am not simply pulling them straight from the book. Adding templates and class levels (and choosing feats and spells, etc.) increases my prep time by a tremendous amount, is something that I wish I could automate a little easier, and also frankly is sometimes quite frustrating when I spend hours statting a boss monster and the players kill him off in 3 or 4 rounds.
The most helpful thing they could add to the subscription website (aside from Realmslore) is some powerful software applications that would make my job as a DM a little more easier.
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 08:52:43
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
As for the Wizards content, I'll agree that Tom, Eric and Ed should all have regular places in the schedule where they can share their insights with the world. Be advised, however, that George and I will both be doing quite a bit of door-knocking as well. ;)
That does at least sound reassuring. I don't think I'd be unhappy with something similar to what Dargoth suggested. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 11:20:17
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Originally posted by Reefy
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
As for the Wizards content, I'll agree that Tom, Eric and Ed should all have regular places in the schedule where they can share their insights with the world. Be advised, however, that George and I will both be doing quite a bit of door-knocking as well. ;)
That does at least sound reassuring. I don't think I'd be unhappy with something similar to what Dargoth suggested.
If Reefy gets one then I don't have to  . I'm with Dargoth too, some specifically FR related Crunch is good, and the more of Volos fluff the better. I really appreciated how good Volo is when I stopped running a campaign in the Dalelands and tried joining a campaign somewhere like the Border Kingdoms. Just knowing inns, locations of interest, and names of people/places make it all so much more fun than just a short paragraph given in FRCS |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 13:05:51
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 13:12:07
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Hopefully Eric, Tom and Ed and reading this  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 13:14:35
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I would. But some of us don't make enough money to get credit cards - so I can't.
get a VISA debit card it works exactly the same as your ATM card but it functions as credit card over the net |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 15:34:09
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I would. But some of us don't make enough money to get credit cards - so I can't.
get a VISA debit card it works exactly the same as your ATM card but it functions as credit card over the net
Indeed. It would also be good if they accepted PayPal; you don't need a credit card for that one, either. |
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lokilokust
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 17:02:37
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you can also always get visa or mastercard gift cards (which you can buy at most chain grocery stores, wal mart, etc.) and use those online.
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as to the subscription service itself, i'll give it a try.
if it's terrible after the first two or three months, then i'd probably cancel, but if it's decent enough, i'll stick with it depending on the price. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 17:07:49
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| Do remember people, not everyone lives in the USA. If people say they can't get a credit card, then they can't get a credit card. :) These suggestions are helpful, aye, but I think people know what they can and can't get. |
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lokilokust
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 17:33:58
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' Do remember people, not everyone lives in the USA. '
true, but the visa and mastercard gift cards are also sold in england, japan, australia, germany, the netherlands, egypt, canada, norway, sweden, and probably a few other places as well.
(and they're often sold in travel shops dedicated to tourists.) |
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lokilokust
Seeker
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 17:37:35
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yay for hitting 'submit reply' before i'm actually done writing my post.
with that being said, there are definitely folks that simply won't be able to take part in any online subscription program from wotc, and i do think that is a shame and perhaps wotc will look into finding alternate methods of payment from the standard credit card merchant system.
(although, even if they do, there will still be folks who are longtime buyers of 'dragon' and 'dungeon' who simply won't have access to the online material, period.) |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 22:23:15
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Originally posted by lokilokust
as to the subscription service itself, i'll give it a try.
if it's terrible after the first two or three months, then i'd probably cancel, but if it's decent enough, i'll stick with it depending on the price.
I would have thought that given this is what they consider the future, they're going to make it go with as big a bang as possible at the start to get as many people as possible to at least try it. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 22:31:00
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Well there clearly will be a problem with security for online content as well. Anything that can be copied and passed can quickly be distributed. If copy is disabled (which is posible) the material will have less vaule, but can be printed and scaned - then distributed, etc.
Those unwilling or unable to subscribe will get access to the material in time. In fact it is posible there only need to be one subscriber to distribute the content world wide fairly quickly. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 22:33:21
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Well there clearly will be a problem with security for online content as well. Anything that can be copied and passed can quickly be distributed. If copy is disabled (which is posible) the material will have less vaule, but can be printed and scaned - then distributed, etc.
Those unwilling or unable to subscribe will get access to the material in time. In fact it is posible there only need to be one subscriber to distribute the content world wide fairly quickly.
That's a risk faced with all online content... But clearly, the presence of pdfs on RPGNow.com and Paizo.com show that this isn't a huge concern, at least in the gaming community. |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
341 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2007 : 05:05:03
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I do hope it's more than a downloadable PDF every month. I'd prefer a paper magazine to that.
I'm guessing it will be a new "members area" of the site with exclusive content. Hopefully this exclusive content will be lots of lore related articles by our favorite authors of the Realms.
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And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2007 : 20:56:57
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I'm gonna give it a go but I can't say what my "value vs price" is yet, I'm guessing that it's going to be a whole ton of crunch that doesn't interest me much but I'll stick it out for a couple months.
If they were to do a "tour of the Realms" with monthly articles on various regions then I would buy two or three subscriptions to let WotC know how much I love the idea ;)
Another good group of lore articles would be "Laws of the Realms" and I would just die for a good economic model (how much international trade there really is, what's likely to go internationally vs what's likely to stay at home, and all the other "this is how the world works" information)
A series on adventuring companies of the Realms would be good too. Maybe just a (detailed) NPC a month (ie. The Lord Magister of the Dock Ward of Waterdeep, a short history, character profile ect).
Phew, there's a lot I would pay money for, it's just not feats, spells and PrCs that I want (in fact, I think we're full up on all that stuff *g*) |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2007 : 22:58:47
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Originally posted by Dargoth
What would Wizards have to provide on there website for you to give them money?
Well, they claim taking Dragon and Dungeon online will be less expensive and easier to produce, so if that turns out to be the case, I'd like to see the fracturing expand to establish a live team for each individual game world. Realms, Greyhawk, Dark Sun, Eberron, etc. fans could then pick and freely choose the genre and game style they prefer.
I mean, if they're going to bother killing Dragon and Dungeon, they might as well go the rest of the way. I would.  |
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Rory
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Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 01:41:11
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| Bring back the Forgotten Realms comic or something like it and they have my money. |
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Wizards online subscription service would you?
