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Neriandal Freit
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 Posted - 01 Aug 2006 : 17:35:25
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Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi is of course on of the great demon lords of the Abyss. And I'm seeking more information out on her.
I need some more information from all of you in general. I ave Hordes of the Abyss which details several of the Lords very nicely, but I'm seeking more out on Malcanthet's followers. What type of people are they? How do they act in battles? Are there more books with information on her, if so what?
I'm seeking this by next Thursday in hopes of having my little project done for the most part by the time of GenCon. Kuje has helped me tremendously and has properly asked for more information concerning something she is involved in, and I dont want to just go off of what I have in Hordes of the Abyss, I want to hear what players have done with her if anything, with her followers, what they do preciesly in your campaign, etc.
It's rather big what I've got going with her, or rather a big involvement I should say, so I'd like to nail it on the head properly rather then having a bent nail in the board 
Edit: The information can also come from places like DRAGON and DUNGEON as well.
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Edited by - Neriandal Freit on 01 Aug 2006 18:05:00
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 14:50:04
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi is of course on of the great demon lords of the Abyss. And I'm seeking more information out on her.
I need some more information from all of you in general. I ave Hordes of the Abyss which details several of the Lords very nicely, but I'm seeking more out on Malcanthet's followers. What type of people are they? How do they act in battles? Are there more books with information on her, if so what?
I'm seeking this by next Thursday in hopes of having my little project done for the most part by the time of GenCon. Kuje has helped me tremendously and has properly asked for more information concerning something she is involved in, and I dont want to just go off of what I have in Hordes of the Abyss, I want to hear what players have done with her if anything, with her followers, what they do preciesly in your campaign, etc.
It's rather big what I've got going with her, or rather a big involvement I should say, so I'd like to nail it on the head properly rather then having a bent nail in the board
Edit: The information can also come from places like DRAGON and DUNGEON as well.
my gut tells me she was created for the Hordes of the Abyss and there is no other real information
I'd have to go into my 2nd Planescape stuff but if she is mentioned there it is probably only her name, I don't ever remember a "queen of the succumbi" and until HotA she definately was never mentioned as one of the "great demon lords of the Abyss"
sorry I couldn't help more |
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 14:57:25
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You could be correct, appearntly two other minior demon lords by the name of Shami-Amourae and Lynkhab have been attempting for the title of "Queen of the Succubi".
If no one posts any information on her, I'll have to try to write out this battle as best I can, I rather fear I'll butcher it.
Hordes does say this about a couple of her followers tho, "Malcanthet has many cults on the Material Plane - groups of courtesans, hedonists and bored nobles seeking a dangerous thrill to add to their lives. Her clerics have access to the domains of Chaos, Evil, Tempation and Trickery".
It also states that "Lamias, harpies and half-fiend nymphs serve her as well." So I think it sort of states that any "beautiful evil" basically, so if anyone knows of any "beautiful evil" creatures, let me know about that too.
Let me know your opinions of what sort of levels some of her followers would be, if they're just pure clerics or are they a few classes, things like that cause it'll all effect how I try to describe some of this battle. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:12:16
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any monster that has a high Charisma and uses guile, seduction or charm would be attracted to her worship, like werefoxes and weretigers (the evil ones), vampires, sirines, corrupted neireds (sp?)...I remember the sand brides from Dark Sun, the lutum in Spelljammer...black widows in Ravenloft...Al'Quadim and Kara-Tur have seductive monsters too..
I think her worshipers would include mostly bards, sorcerers and "clerics", any class that can use a high Cha...
In the Realms I think her greatest foes would be Sune and Sharess...maybe an alliance with Lovitar or even Talona...I would make it that Malcanthet has just discovered Toril (probably from the Abyssal grape vine as Orcus and Eltab among others have had alot of dealings there) and she has just a small beachhead there...in one of the decadent areas like Calimshan (not Thay, too many wizards there and too much demon history in the East)...I think she would have one "chosen" cult leader, a very high level Thrall (lv 14-20) with a few high level cohorts, a handful (5-20) young half-demon spawn, a number (20-50) of cult followers and a few affiliated tribes/clans/groups of monstrous allies
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Dargoth
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:14:10
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According to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcanthet#References
Malcanthet has appeared in
Dragon 341
FC: Hordes of the Abyss
Dungeon 112 and 124
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:18:56
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Everything there in the last paragraph sounds about right for my ideaology, I dont think she's been in Toril Material Prime for long, but at least over hundred and fifty years as of this battle in the year 1291 DR. Sune and Sharess are the ideal enemies of hers, but so is Lathander after this battle. (Did I say to much?  )
Dargoth, I just seen your post, as I suspected, she has made appearnces in DUNGEON and DRAGON magainzes before...most interesting. So, next question is, if anyone has Dungeon 112 and 124, along with Dragon 341, mind posting the information that protains to her?
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:23:48
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
Everything there in the last paragraph sounds about right for my ideaology, I dont think she's been in Toril Material Prime for long, but at least over hundred and fifty years as of this battle in the year 1291 DR. Sune and Sharess are the ideal enemies of hers, but so is Lathander after this battle. (Did I say to much? )
Dargoth, I just seen your post, as I suspected, she has made appearnces in DUNGEON and DRAGON magainzes before...most interesting. So, next question is, if anyone has Dungeon 112 and 124, along with Dragon 341, mind posting the information that protains to her?
I have Dungeon 124 and dragon 341, I can't remember if I have Dun. 112 but I'm at work so I can't chack till this evening 
Lathander? I would think Tyr is more appropriate...Lathander can be such a goof at times, I could see him getting seduced by the queen  |
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:26:35
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Well, maybe a Drag-Queen but not this Queen
But yes, after this certain battle she declares him an enemy. Dont worry about checking them untill you have time, I wont have much time my self but if you can check when you do have the time, I'd appreicate it tremendously. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 18:24:38
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
Well, maybe a Drag-Queen but not this Queen
But yes, after this certain battle she declares him an enemy. Don’t worry about checking them until you have time, I won’t have much time my self but if you can check when you do have the time, I'd appreciate it tremendously.
I quickly skimmed over the magazines and found this (it's not much)
Dragon 341 : In the article “Baphomet, Prince of Beasts” p. 24 it says that Baphomet has been attempting to forge an alliance with Malcanthet against Yeenoghu but they may be too different for that. That is all I could find there.
Dungeon 112 :
p. 25 Room 15 : Tapestry Room – there is a tapestry of Malcanthet worth 1000gp
p. 32 there was an ancient Suel cult of Malcanthet
p. 48 room 55 : Dangerous statue – a statue that was a gate to Malcanthet’s realm so succumbi could be summoned for ceremonies...the statue has some succumbi-like powers
p. 73 Room 100: Columns of Faces and Symbols – One symbol, a winged figure, represents the Underworld. (Malcanthet, the Mother of Succubi).
p. 84 Sidebar: the Head of House Maure was mortally wounded by Malcanthet and saved under suspended animation, preserved in the lowest crypts
Dungeon 124 : In the Adventure “Chamber of Antiques” p. 96 the minor artifact Codex of Dead Names was created/written by Elluvia Maure, whose patron is Malcanthet, it is a book about the lives and deaths of over 500 demons, many of whom Malcanthet killed herself. That is all I could find there.
It looks like Eric Mona used Malcanthet as a patron of some of the Maure Clan knowing she was to be upgraded in the Hordes of the Abyss |
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Faraer
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Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 18:34:51
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| If there aren't earlier sources, then there probably aren't any more than have been listed and Malcanthet looks to be the creation of Rob Kuntz, so you could ask him about her on his message boards. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 19:19:07
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Before Hordes of the Abyss, there were 3 demon lords in obscure sources who could have claimed the title of Queen of the Succubi: Malcanthet, Shami-Amourae, and Lynkhab. Hordes of the Abyss updates all of them, focusing on the current title holder Malcanthet. Expect to learn more about Shami-Amourae in Savage Tide Adventure Path #10. Shami-Amourae was first detailed in Dungeon #5.
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warlockco
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 03:55:28
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Very fun, very fun indeed. I will have to relook at all of this in the morning when I wake up and before work.
Thank you all thus far :D |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 11:32:29
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You could say that when Sune rescued Sharess from Shar during the Time of Troubles the Goddess of love expelled Shars evil taint from Sharess which took the form of Malcanthet. This makes Malcanthet a fairly new realms enitity and expalians why shes never been heard of in the realms.
The downside is the ideas not exactly original as it closely mirrors the Tymora/Beshaba story |
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 13:56:22
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Well, that problem with that would be that I feel that she would have already been in Toril for at least 150'ish years by the time of this great battle of mine, simply because I think that she is a "behind the scenes, slowly working" sort of demoness.
But of course it would always explain to people the "Right, so when Sune saved Sharess from Shar, where did all the bad stuff go?" question to adegree, again tho your correct is that it does mirror the Tymora/Beshaba story. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:23:26
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Originally posted by Dargoth
You could say that when Sune rescued Sharess from Shar during the Time of Troubles the Goddess of love expelled Shars evil taint from Sharess which took the form of Malcanthet. This makes Malcanthet a fairly new realms enitity and expalians why shes never been heard of in the realms.
The downside is the ideas not exactly original as it closely mirrors the Tymora/Beshaba story
Take it one step further: Malcanthet was already a powerful succubus and a rising Abyssal power when the ToT happened. The evil expelled from Sharess became something that was between an aspect and an avatar. Before it could move to become a power on its own, Malcanthet absorbed it, giving herself a power boost.
Sure, that still keeps the Beshaba/Tymora thing (which I honestly don't see as a problem; Vhaeraun went the opposite route), but it puts a new element in it and allows Malcanthet to have been around for a while. |
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:40:58
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True enough.
But that still leaves me hanging on how her followers act and everything of that nature. |
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Ardashir
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 18:49:18
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
Well, maybe a Drag-Queen but not this Queen
But yes, after this certain battle she declares him an enemy. Dont worry about checking them untill you have time, I wont have much time my self but if you can check when you do have the time, I'd appreicate it tremendously.
Odd to read that line with Malcanthet when one considers all the times that Graz'zt has posed as her to make trouble... |
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Ardashir
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 18:51:18
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
True enough.
But that still leaves me hanging on how her followers act and everything of that nature.
James Jacobs covered Malcanthet and her cult in one of his Demonomicon articles, in Dragon #349 r 353, I believe. |
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Zireael
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Posted - 23 Dec 2010 : 14:12:44
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It's Dragon 353.
Sorry for the scroll necromancy, but I'm looking for information on Malcanthet. BTW did you know she is the mother of the Red Shroud and thus the grandmother of Fall-From-Grace? |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Dec 2010 : 16:06:10
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These tomes -
Dragon #341, #353, #355(?)
Dungeon #5, #112, #124, #148
Fiendish Codex: Hordes of the Abyss
Faces of Evil: The Fiends
These wiki pages -
Malcanthet (Queen of the Succubi; Ruler of Shendilavri, 570th layer of the Abyss)
wikipedia, succubus.net, FR wiki, statuga.com
Red Shroud
succubus.net, deathstar.org
Lynkhab (failed contender for Queen of the Succubi; Lady of Desire and Depression, Lady of Regrets; Ruler of the Sighing Cliffs, 297th layer of the Abyss)
succubus.net
Shami-Amourae (Succubus Goddess of Debased Eros, The Lady of Delights)
wikipedia, succubus.net
Xinivrae (failed contender for Queen of the Succubi; cast by Malcanthet into the Dreaming Gulf, 230th layer of the Abyss)
Named succubi, incubi, demon lords
wikipedia, succubus.net
(many others, although most of the rest seem to just copy these sources; succubi are a popular topic on the internet)
Only these Candlekeep scrolls mention Malcanthet substantially -
Alternate Realms
Template questions: The children of good Succubi
Cambions and Alu-Fiends Return to 3.5 [Page 1] (and Expedition to the Demonweb Pits download)
Questions for Eric L Boyd [Page 27]
Also -
If you're playing 4E you might consider Glasya, Fierna, Rhyxali, and Shaktari being succubi. Perhaps (dare I say it?) even Lolth. |
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| Zireal, from what source is Fall-From-Grace? |
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Zireael
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 09:14:08
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Zireal, from what source is Fall-From-Grace?
Planescape: Torment (computer game), and she even gets a mention in Dragon 353. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 09:50:57
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| She is mentioned in many of the wiki links I posted; I deliberately excluded her, thinking she wasn't strictly canon. Sorry. |
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 17:37:30
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| I'm AFB but I seem to recall that Malcanthet is mentioned in conjunction with Sonellion in Champions of Ruin. As such, you night want to ask George Krashos if he has further musings on M. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by Arik
Although not D&D canon, RL mythology and folklore have no shortage of seductive/dangerous succubi-type creatures, not least of which being Lilith and her Lilin.
And check out these succubi babes! I wouldn't last more than a week in Faerûn, keep those demon-summoning spellbooks away from me.
I'm going to have to pass that link on to a friend... He's a huge Morrigan fanboy.
I suddenly find myself eager to worship at this altar as well.
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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 10:07:19
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I recall something similar to this being joked about in one of the FR novels:
Female Hero 1: "OMG, it's a demon! We're screwed!"
Male Hero: "Not really. She's just a basic Type V Marilith. She's resistant to spells, cold, fire, and electricity, but vulnerable to acid, poison, cold iron, and our magic weapons. She'll be entirely powerless if we can seize her amulet."
Female Hero 1: "Wow ... you're an expert on demons?"
Female Hero 2: "He's an expert on certain kinds of demons and monsters. Maraliths, succubi, alu-demons, erinyes, dryads, nereids, nymphs, sirines, sylphs, swanmays, harpies, mermaids, medusae, lamias, gynosphinxes, tabaxi ... I'll bet he knows a little about some types of djinn, elementals, elves, giants, vampires, and shapeshifters. I've seen the illustrations in the monster books our young scholar friend has studied."
Female Hero 1: "You must've spent a lot of time studying those books."
Male Hero: "Um ... yeah." <blushing> |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 10:15:24
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| Maybe from one of the books in The Pools series. |
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