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The Hooded One
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Posted - 25 Feb 2006 :  01:04:20  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. This time, Ed tackles RodOdom’s question: “Baldur's Gate is more centrally located in relation to the North, the nations of the South as well as the Moonshaes. Also the River Chionthar links it to just outside Cormyr. Why then is Waterdeep of greater wealth and importance than Baldur's Gate?”
Ed replies:



The primary reason Waterdeep grew to outstrip Baldur’s Gate in wealth and importance is its location: for years it was the best “free port” (meaning a port open to all, not just particular captains or vessels of specific races or nationalities) for ships from more southerly lands and cities to reach the great mineral wealth (and abundant herd animals and timber, too) of the Sword Coast North. That same wealth drives much of the commerce in the area even today.
Mirabar, Luskan, and Neverwinter are alternative ports now, of course, but thanks to winter ice, the natures of those who rule those places and control their wharves, and orc and barbarian attacks on the routes from those places into the interior, they have never been able to equal the ease of trade, and hence prosperity, of Waterdeep.
Once Waterdeep became a large, tolerant, cosmopolitan trading center, its success “fed on itself,” and it grew very swiftly in size, with a population of crafters and investors who could collectively provide not just a vital market, but ready connections to a ‘black market’ and the goods of the Underdark (via Skullport), and a means of working with goods to create “value added” goods (in real-world terms; what I mean here is that Waterdhavians don’t just buy and sell uncut gems, they can cut the gems into dazzlingly marketable form, and also craft elaborate jewelry with them; or take raw ore and not just smelt it into metal, but forge and otherwise craft fine metal tools, or counterfeit coins). All of this made Waterdeep far more attractive to seacaptains than the smaller, more isolated market of Baldur’s Gate, which hadn’t much to offer aside from the curios its farsailing explorers brought back, except for goods (crops and livestock) that many, many ports can provide.
You’re overestimating the importance of overland trade between the Sword Coast and the Sea of Fallen Stars, back at the time Waterdeep was founded and started to grow so swiftly. The River Chionthar was and remains a dangerous route, now dominated by Scornubel (a link with north-south overland trade into the Sword Coast North), and earlier by Iriaebor. Because goods out of the Sword Coast interior were more needed (by the hungry lands and cities of Calimshan and The Shining Sea coasts) than goods flowing into the interior, and because what is now Amn (so close to Baldur’s Gate) sought to dominate this trade, and could easily outspend its next-door rival north of the mountains, relatively-isolated Baldur’s Gate was secondary to other trade routes that bypassed it.
Again, Baldur’s Gate (and its hinterland) lacked huge stands of timber, and most importantly, lots of metal and gems, whereas those things poured through Waterdeep.
Baldur’s Gate is growing in both size and population now, but Waterdeep has established its preeminence long since. Part of the reason Baldur’s Gate “lost the battle,” as it were, is that its seacaptains sought to compete fiercely with the merchant shippers of Amn, the Moonshaes, Tethyr, Calimshan, and everyone else, whereas Waterdeep welcomed everyone, and initially had only local inshore fishing fleets, hosting the ships of everyone else rather than competing. Many noble families and wealthy merchants of Waterdeep have their own fleets now, of course, but for years Mintarn and the Moonshaes saw Baldur’s Gate as an unfriendly rival, not a desirable port of call. Waterdeep WAS welcoming, and the shippers could get higher prices for their goods in Waterdeep, because as the Sword Coast North opened up, there were more hungry mouths and needy hands faring forth into the Savage Frontier, than there were settled around Baldur’s Gate.
Amn has always sought to control and dominate the overland trade between the Sword Coast and the Sea of Fallen Stars, and both the Zhents (through Anauroch, or failing that, the Stonelands) and independent caravan costers and merchants (working through Scornubel) have competed with Amn by creating shorter, faster routes. The Chionthar is a shorter, faster route only from Scornubel to the sea, giving Scornubel more influence over Baldur’s Gate than vice versa. So Scornubel grows swiftly, when Baldur’s Gate does not. (Both Waterdeep and Scornubel initially benefitted from somewhat lawless, rough-and-ready conditions conducive to entrepreneurs, whereas Baldur’s Gate had controlling interests that liked to restrict and control, so as to remain ‘on top’ in Baldur’s Gate, and hence were inherently unfriendlier to outlander traders.)
If Baldur’s Gate had been the capital of a militarily-mighty east-west kingdom that included Elturel, Scornubel, and Iriaebor, and there’d been no marauding Zhents or monsters along that route, so they really could have almost touched Cormyr, things might have been very different. But Baldur’s Gate has always stood alone from choice, and so remained smaller and less influential than it might have been.
The series of computer games (and associated novels) have focused more attention on it than it might otherwise have merited (originally, that locale was chosen for the computer games because it was isolated enough that elements presented in the games wouldn’t unavoidably “screw up” the print game products and novels).
In the end, I’m afraid you’ll have to trust me on all of this, RodOdom. I created both places, and all the land and sea around them, and that’s just the way I saw it.
In real-world (as opposed to in-the-Realms) terms, once Baldur’s Gate was given over to licensees (various computer gaming companies and studios), I had to step back from detailing it and spending a lot of time on it (just as I had to avoid Neverwinter and Elturel). So Waterdeep received even MORE attention, in TSR and later WotC novels and game products, and because it was one of the most heavily-detailed parts of my original Realms, other creators (such as Jeff Grubb and Elaine Cunningham) could quickly step in and use it, fall in love with it, and add even more detail that in turn made it more attractive to still other writers. While Baldur’s Gate sat off-limits to us all, and therefore couldn’t be the site of important events outside the computer games. There are NDAs hampering me from detailing Baldur’s Gate even now (see some of my replies in the earlier years of this thread).



So saith Ed, settling things quite thoroughly.
love to all,
THO
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VonRaventheDaring
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Posted - 25 Feb 2006 :  01:45:01  Show Profile  Visit VonRaventheDaring's Homepage  Send VonRaventheDaring a Yahoo! Message Send VonRaventheDaring a Private Message
I have a humble question for the great, and wise Ed of Greenwood. I saw how you stated ed that the reason minotaurs and psionics is not expressed in the realms is that the powers that be decided to use Krynn and Dark sun for those areas of interest. My question is now that they have killed off Darksun do you ed have any interest in stories, tales, or lore on psionics in the realms especially the Jhaamdath empire. I would like to request something on them verses the Calimport empire for Realms at war if you could manage that. but of course everything you publish is gold so i look forward to what ever you publish.
--a humble follower of the Realms in all its glory.

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---Dogma of the Church of Auppenser
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 25 Feb 2006 :  19:39:14  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Glad to be of help, Nevorick. This time, Ed (who happened to have this topic in mind for WotC Realmslore reasons) starts to tackle Kuje’s query: “I've always wondered about Shyrrhr.



Quick query: ASide from her friends, when speaking of her, is she generally addressed as "Shyrrhr" or "Lady Shyrrhr"?

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RodOdom
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 :  00:18:08  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message
Thank you so much for your explanation, Mr. Greenwood. The Realms is a living, coherent fantasy world like no other !
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 :  00:42:40  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes. This time, Ed tackles createvmind’s questions: “The dwarf bridge called Stone Bridge on the River Dessarin, who lays claim to it, Waterdeep or Yartar? Also what lays claim to or roams the land east of the Graypeak Mountains, basically between the mountains and the River Delimbyr and a mile or so below the waterfall and raised plateau I gather is there. Basically if I sought to establish a town in either one of those places besides the nearby towns/cities what else would I contend it. I see the area above Llorkh and Loudwater as more viable land even though I'm aware of the turmoil in and around it however the NPC wants to secretly build in 1372 and prefers a location that sees little current traffic. A situation he hopes to fix after he has establish a secure-what occurs during building process will be reflective of Dragon rage and of course fiend, demon elf movements,etc..... I don't know if this is contractual stuff but the gem dragon that lives within the Graypeak who does all the scrying would you say he sleeps through the rage or will further info on him come up at the wotc site or in upcoming Dragons of Faerun book?
One more thing, would children born with physical disabilities and left at a monastaries doorstep be trained to the best of their ability despite handicap or just utilized in basic chores? Deaf, mute, blind, deformity etc.......... Is there any sign language of any kind for the deaf that YOU created?
Sorry so here and there but it's actually all relative to me. Thanks.”
Ed replies:



Neither Yartar nor Waterdeep claims The Stone Bridge. There’s a village called Beliard just east of it, and a settlement called Westbridge northwest of it (both detailed in VOLO’S GUIDE TO THE NORTH). Various dwarves from all over Faerûn would rise up and resist you or anyone else establishing a settlement (or even building a keep) closer to the Bridge than Beliard (though you might get away with a small inn or fortified home on the road to Westbridge). It’s a sacred site to most dwarves. Bear in mind also that when orc hordes sweep down the Dessarin, anything in this area gets razed (and no matter what Obould may have done or not done, we’re overdue for another orc horde).
As for the other location you mention: the Zhentarim control the region (RPGA members have played The Green Regent campaign right spang in this area, too) and run armed patrols and little “wagon runs” splitting from, or mustering into, caravans through it regularly. So it’s certainly not an area of “little current traffic,” and they’d be your primary instant foes if you tried to found a town there (they might let you build and then move in brutally to take over, of course, but be aware that their spies and agents would make up most of yours townsfolk, from the beginning). There are also (see my Wyrms of the North series, and Klauth in the FRCS and elsewhere) dragons that raid the Delimibyr valley for food, although the Rage would have them attacking more populous areas (presumably to the death, or tracking on from city to city). As for the effect of the Rage on specific dragons, or the contents of DRAGONS OF FAERUN, sorry: NDA.
Also NDA are the two sign languages and the Gnome language details I created, because TSR/WotC purchased them (though they haven’t yet published them, and have been sitting on them for years, now). Children born with physical disabilities and left at a monastery would be trained both in useful chores (yes, often drudgery like washing dishes, peeling potatoes, and tending and gathering plantstuffs) and instructed in the faith of the god so they could worship the deity as fully as possible. Many faiths view deaf, mute, blind, and deformed individuals as “godstruck” and in a sense holy: they are living tests sent forth by the gods, who judge the living by their treatment of such “godstruck.” So mistreatment of the disabled in a monastery will be rare (less so in the wider world, where many end up as beggars, or shop-slaves in fact if not in name, or “twisted:” freaks, displayed as attractions in shows or used in brothels for specialized pleasures).



So saith Ed. Who’s hard at work on secret Realms projects for our common future entertainment, right now.
love to all,
THO
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HunterOfStorms
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 :  01:41:33  Show Profile  Visit HunterOfStorms's Homepage Send HunterOfStorms a Private Message
Hi Ed, I have another question relating to the Sea of Fallen Stars. I've noticed in the descriptions of Aglarond, that despite the original human settlers of its shores being fisher folk and the concentration of settlements along the coast, Aglarond is not considered to be much of a sea-faring nation - which is fair enough, they don't need to be. However, since they do have a small fleet of warships, I was wondering whether the ships of Aglarond are built in Agalrond, by their own shipwrights, or whether their vessels are commissioned elsewhere by more renowned ship builders. Which brings me to an actual series of questions :) Does Velprintalar have its own shipyards or even just a dry dock for maintenance and repairs? Would it cater to only its own ships or others who might limp into port? Which nations/cities around the Inner Sea are noted for their shipbuilding skills (besides Cormyr, that is)?

On a completely unrelated note (well since it might also relate to sea trade, maybe not) - Are there places known for the quality of raw materials, for example marble. Carrera marble is sought after here, is there an equivalent stone in the Realms? And are there any artists, sculptors or the like, of the reputation of Praxiteles (past or present) who could demand to be supplied with such material and whose names and works would be recognised even halfway across Faerun?

Hmm, I've gone on a bit, better stop now. Once again, thank you for all the lore that weaves a richer tapestry of the Realms.

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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 :  06:32:24  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Neither Yartar nor Waterdeep claims The Stone Bridge. There’s a village called Beliard just east of it, and a settlement called Westbridge northwest of it (both detailed in VOLO’S GUIDE TO THE NORTH).


And I should like to point out to all interested in this tome that it is one of the many available for free from the Wizards downloads page.

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Kuje
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Posted - 26 Feb 2006 :  23:23:46  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Ed,

This is going to be another one of those weird questions since I'm getting yelled at about it on the WOTC boards.

Someone was asking about the use of the spells that help create life for two people that want to get with child or even spells that create life whole cloth. Or spells that change peoples gender so they can get with child.

The two posters that are arguing with me about it claim that using those spells is unnatural, evil, or in bad taste, when I said that the best way was to use divine magics, which was based on one of your past replies.

Do you care to expand on this and answer on why or why not those spells would not be evil, unnatural, or in bad taste.

Edit 1: I realize, as well, that this is a vague question and it can be answered in many different ways depending on what nation/faith/etc, is being discussed but it seems that the debate was about generalizations about these spells.

Edit 2: Also, I said such spells aren't evil in of themselves and it's how they are used that determines if they are evil but the two posters continue to say that ANY use of those spells to make life is evil, unnatural, and in bad taste.

Edit 3: We also debated back and forth about if a being is created without semen and an egg, is it unnatural. I don't believe that everything has to be created via semen and an egg and such beings that are created without those two things are unnatural.

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Edited by - Kuje on 27 Feb 2006 18:31:50
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 :  01:35:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all. This time, a swift reply from Ed:



To Jamallo Kreen (and Kuje, and everyone else interested in Shyrrhr): Waterdhavians in general, and Palace officials “officially,” always refer to her, and address her directly in converse, as “Lady Shyrrhr” or “Lady.” Her friends call her “Shyrrhr,” and to her face address her as “Shurr” or even “Softness” (a nickname coined by Mirt some years back; she likes it and it’s now affectionately used by many of her friends, though she seldom shares it with clients).
And to RodOdom: you’re quite welcome, and thanks for the kind words. Yup, I always try to think of the Realms as real, and so treat it as real, and hopefully continuously improve the illusion for us all. May you have years of happy gaming in it!
And while I’m at it, Jamallo Kreen, “Ed of the Green Wood” was coined by THO years ago to refer to the three-acre-or-so forest behind my home (yes, it’s mine, so I suppose you could call it my backyard); she meant that it was a pleasant place to sun herself in the nude, so I guess the “verdant forest” is the right answer, though she hasn’t made love in every last little corner of it yet, so perhaps the OTHER meaning holds true, too. :}



So saith Ed. Ahem. No, I haven’t, and while the snow’s this deep I think I’ll stick to my favourite horizontal treetrunks, and your cozy little cabin . . .
love to all,
THO
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 :  18:50:44  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Don't know if another scribe has beaten me to this, but the ninth chapter of Ed's Oroon Rising is up on the WotC website.
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 :  21:15:30  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, all. This time, a swift reply from Ed:
(snip)

And while I’m at it, Jamallo Kreen, “Ed of the Green Wood” was coined by THO years ago to refer to the three-acre-or-so forest behind my home (yes, it’s mine, so I suppose you could call it my backyard); she meant that it was a pleasant place to sun herself in the nude, so I guess the “verdant forest” is the right answer, though she hasn’t made love in every last little corner of it yet, so perhaps the OTHER meaning holds true, too. :}


So saith Ed. Ahem. No, I haven’t, and while the snow’s this deep I think I’ll stick to my favourite horizontal treetrunks, and your cozy little cabin . . .
love to all,
THO




Thank you both. (BTW, I blush far too easily for such discussions! Don't stop on my account, just bear in mind that any facial redness of mine is a blush and not developing bird flu.)

Unfortunately I do not have the 2nd edition "Anauroch" handy, but I have a question regarding the Bedine glossary. One word is listed as meaning "tell." Is that "tell" the verb meaning "to inform," or "tell" the noun meaning "heap of dirt over an ancient ruin"? If the former, does the Bedine language (or any Torilian language, for that matter) take linguistic notice of heap o' ruins tells?


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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 :  22:31:13  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Volo's Guide to All Things Magical mentions that safeholds are an ancient magical technology. Can extra-dimensional containers such as bags of holding be safely brought into them or do they follow the same rules as “modern” extra-dimensional spaces which rupture space-time when bags of holding are brought into them, landing adventurers in courts presided over by white cats?


(For the benefit of the non-cognoscenti, the last comment is a reference to The Order of the Stick,.)


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The Hooded One
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 :  01:09:46  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, fellow scribes. Kuje recently posted this: “Ed, This comment from THO to me back in 2004 has caused some heated dislike on the WOTC boards because people feel that it's not "fair" to those who wield spellfire that they can't absorb Shadow Weave magics and so I was wondering, via a lore stand point, if you could expand on why spellfire wouldn't be able to absorb Shadow Weave based magics.
The comment was: November 24, 2004, "kuje31, Ed wanted me to reiterate that he’s not the right person to ask about official 3.5e games rules questions (he’d refer this one to Rich Baker), but if this arose in a situation where he was DM, Ed would not allow access to both Shadow Weave and Weave-based effects (including spellfire). In his words, that’s like the ‘greedy-greedy’ space soldier who wants to fire a matter-ray and an anti-matter ray at the same time. Nuh-uh."
Also, some people feel that comment really isn't an "answer" to use when someone asks for lore on if a spellfire wielder can't absorb Shadow Weave magics. How those posters believe that, I'm not sure. Since it seems clear, in that comment, that you wouldn't allow a spellfire wielder to absorb Shadow Weave based magics, but er, they claim that isn't what you meant. :)”
So posted Kuje.
Ed replies:



Uh-oh. Kuje, I’m afraid I MAY to have to pull the old rug out from under you here. Those posters are correct in asserting “that isn’t what I meant.” I was responding specifically to a situation where someone wanted to wield/hurl Shadow Weave-based magics AND wield spellfire (or any Weave-based spells) at the same time. My answer to that is NO, for game balance reasons. Like the kid at GenCon 14 who got angry when someone disallowed his homebrew character in the Open tournament that was a good priest, necromancer, wizard, and assassin all-in-one, and the kid wanted to heal himself, blast foes with a flame barrier, blast the same foes with negative energy, blast the same foes with a Meteor Swarm, AND sneak attack one of them from behind for triple damage, all in the same round, claiming “there isn’t anything specific in the rules that prohibits me from doing that.” He was right, there wasn’t, BUT . . . :}
So I say again: one character can’t both wield spellfire and cast Shadow Weave spells; the two will war with each other in the character’s body and disintegrate him or her (whereas if spellfire and a Shadow Weave spell both struck the same character as a target, both would take effect; just what effect would depend on what the spell’s usual effect was - - in other words, can it act before the spellfire “drinks” it?).
However, spellfire trumps all magic. A spellfire wielder CAN absorb Shadow Weave-based magics. Note that the spellfire just destroys the magic on contact, “sucking in” the spell or spell effect. Unlike a Weave-based magic, the absorbed energy is just “gone.” It doesn’t fuel or aid the spellfire user in any way (aside from obliberating or preventing whatever effects the Shadow Weave-based magic would ordinarily have had). Spellfire simply causes Shadow-Weave magic to cease to exist, upon contact. So if the posters meant, “Can a spellfire channeler (or other spellfire-wielding character) absorb Shadow Weave magic to power their spellfire?” the answer is no, and you’re right. But a spellfire channeler (or other spellfire-wielding character) CAN absorb Shadow Weave, without harm to themselves [without being themselves disintegrated], automatically upon contact between spellfire and the Shadow Weave magic, and such absorption is silent, instant oblivion for the magic.



So saith Ed, creator of spellfire (oh, yes, and the Realms, too ).
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THO
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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 :  04:53:41  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Thanks Ed, yes that was what the poster was originally asking and so all of us were right and wrong. :)

Edit: Also, I'm making sure that my above edits to my earlier post that is up above in this thread was seen by THO and sent along with my original post. :)

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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 :  04:56:50  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Thanks Ed, yes that was what the poster was originally asking and so all of us were right and wrong. :)

So I can see...

Still, we had the jist of it right .

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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Unfortunately I do not have the 2nd edition "Anauroch" handy, but I have a question regarding the Bedine glossary. One word is listed as meaning "tell." Is that "tell" the verb meaning "to inform," or "tell" the noun meaning "heap of dirt over an ancient ruin"? If the former, does the Bedine language (or any Torilian language, for that matter) take linguistic notice of heap o' ruins tells?



That's a good question. I mean, if anyone is likely to develop a word similar to the noun form of 'tell', it's the Bedine!

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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 :  17:38:38  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Actually Ed,

I take off the table my earlier post and it doesn't need an answer unless you feel that you want to answer about magic that creates life and if it is unnatural and evil. I've since decided to leave the WOTC boards because of various reasons. However, I will send along your replies to the posters from those boards when you answer them.

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createvmind
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Just as long as you around Kuje is fine with us, WOTC can get a little crazy as we both know but it serves it's purpose.

Glad to have you

BTW do you go to Gencon?
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 :  00:22:49  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, everybody. Ed sails into Wooly Rupert’s question: “I was reading the Dragon Magazine article on fantasy astrological signs, earlier this eve... It made me ponder a couple of things. Though both topics have been discussed, I don't believe anyone has ever thought to ask Ed. So... Does astrology exist in the Realms? Is there a zodiac? And what constellations exist in the Realms?”
Ed replies:



Yes, Wooly, there’s astrology in the Realms, though not by that name and not as we know it. Rather, soothsayers and fortune-tellers use the position of the stars (and sometimes, especially in the Shining South and Calimshan, by the position of tokens tossed blindly onto a star-chart) as one influence in predictions and divinations. There’s no zodiac by that name, nor are people deemed to have characteristics because of the “sign they’re born under” (as real-world astrology has it) or “year they’re born in” (as in real-world Chinese beliefs). Rather, individuals are said to be marked by a “guiding star” or “falling star” (comet or meteor shower), or by a conjunction of constellations that may have occurred at their birth (particularly if this conjunction is rare, or has a fell reputation).
There ARE constellations in the Realms, and I’ve provided some sketchy star-lore in print over the years, Elaine and others contributing more. As Eric said, AJA has done a very good job of gathering it all together (as well as weaving in his own lore) - - and I’m afraid I can’t comment too much more on the constellations, because, again, TSR is sitting on paid-for but unpublished Ed Greenwood lore, so an NDA applies.



Sigh. Sorry, Wooly dearest (may I stroke your fur here, where it’s so soft? Just a little lower? Yes?).
More Realmslore next time,
love,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, everybody. Ed sails into Wooly Rupert�s question: �I was reading the Dragon Magazine article on fantasy astrological signs, earlier this eve... It made me ponder a couple of things. Though both topics have been discussed, I don't believe anyone has ever thought to ask Ed. So... Does astrology exist in the Realms? Is there a zodiac? And what constellations exist in the Realms?�
Ed replies:



Yes, Wooly, there�s astrology in the Realms, though not by that name and not as we know it. Rather, soothsayers and fortune-tellers use the position of the stars (and sometimes, especially in the Shining South and Calimshan, by the position of tokens tossed blindly onto a star-chart) as one influence in predictions and divinations. There�s no zodiac by that name, nor are people deemed to have characteristics because of the �sign they�re born under� (as real-world astrology has it) or �year they�re born in� (as in real-world Chinese beliefs). Rather, individuals are said to be marked by a �guiding star� or �falling star� (comet or meteor shower), or by a conjunction of constellations that may have occurred at their birth (particularly if this conjunction is rare, or has a fell reputation).
There ARE constellations in the Realms, and I�ve provided some sketchy star-lore in print over the years, Elaine and others contributing more. As Eric said, AJA has done a very good job of gathering it all together (as well as weaving in his own lore) - - and I�m afraid I can�t comment too much more on the constellations, because, again, TSR is sitting on paid-for but unpublished Ed Greenwood lore, so an NDA applies.



Sigh. Sorry, Wooly dearest (may I stroke your fur here, where it�s so soft? Just a little lower? Yes?).
More Realmslore next time,
love,
THO







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Originally posted by The Hooded One

I’m afraid I can’t comment too much more on the constellations, because, again, TSR is sitting on paid-for but unpublished Ed Greenwood lore, so an NDA applies.



Ah, well. 'Twas just a curiosity. No worries, I'll have another one in a couple of days.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Sigh. Sorry, Wooly dearest (may I stroke your fur here, where it’s so soft? Just a little lower? Yes?).
More Realmslore next time,
love,
THO




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And now, for some real Realmslore questions from me. :) Gasp! Surprise!

I'm curious, Ed, about make-up and other beauty products. I can't recall any references to such things in published lore, or maybe there's some in passing but, those references don't give enough details.

So, where is make-up made? What cities import and or export these types of products? What kinds of make-up are there? What are they made out of? Hmmm, lets see... what else. How much do they cost? How are they sold? Are there shops/stores that sell them? Who uses them the most? I figured that nobles and other... carnal workers, shall we say?, would use them. And, anything else you might think is relevant to the topic.

Don't you just love when I come to you with strange questions that I think of while I'm reading different books? :) I was going to ask about clothing, but I went with make-up for now. :)

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Edited by - Kuje on 01 Mar 2006 04:48:38
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There are lots of references to makeup/cosmetics, but as you say, no particular detail (as I recall).
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 :  05:12:35  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

As Eric said, AJA has done a very good job of gathering it all together (as well as weaving in his own lore) - - and I’m afraid I can’t comment too much more on the constellations, because, again, TSR is sitting on paid-for but unpublished Ed Greenwood lore, so an NDA applies.
Confound it!

That kind of works against a question I was going to ask about the stars and planets in the Torilian system itself. Unless...

THO, I have a general planetoid question I'd like to ask Ed. Are discussions about the other planets in the system also covered by NDA? Or should I just pose my question first and let Ed decide?

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Thank you THO, please pass my thanks to Ed as well. The information on Duuthskor has helped greatly. I must say he has a way with names be they people or places, they all sound interesting or unique, yet not jarring or "trying too hard" as I've seen in many games and the creations of others.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed makes reply:

Hey, you’re quite welcome. I hope we all continue to find the Realms enjoyable for years to come. Even if I don’t ever get around to writing all the background lore I want to, and that scribes keep asking for.
The island you refer to is Duuthskor, and there’s nothing on it but frozen ice. Or, to put it another way, it’s solid rock, frozen (and thus easily shattered) down forty feet or so, and then thawed by the (comparative) warmth of lava flows that are MUCH deeper in the Underdark. On top of the fissured, scoured-bare rock is sixty feet or so of solid, never-melting (these days) ice.
It’s north of Umukek, but doesn’t appear in the map views of the FR Interactive Atlas for the very good reason that it’s entirely hidden by pack ice, and so seems part of the arctic “mainland.” So despite its size, there’s nothing to interest adventurers - - on its surface, at least; in the Underdark, its fissures are one of the many sources of falling water that eventually join in rivulets and then underground streams (drinking water to Underfolk) and flow to join great underground lakes.
Folk of surface Faerûn today have entirely forgotten about this huge island, and don’t know where “Duuthskor” (a place in the oldest Uthgardt legends, and mentioned in some dwarven chants) is.
In other words, at some point in the past (circa Netheril, at the very latest, and probably much earlier), it wasn’t covered by pack ice, and so was mapped, and preserved in maps now at Candlekeep and various temple libraries (notably those of Oghma and Deneir) . . . which is how it found its way into the Scholar’s map in the FRCS.
All of which means you’re free to make any use of it in your campaign you’d like. Just devise some reason, magical (big spell, or perhaps a crashed Netherese city that someone gets to and “restarts” the climate magics of, which would give you buildings and gardens and so: trees and greenery and prowling monsters and treasure, or at least something other than cold, broken bare rock) or otherwise (volcanic eruption? doesn’t have to be explosive or form an ash cone { = volcano} but can just be a welling-up of magma to the surface, that melts the ice from below, and lays bare the rock beneath), to clear the pack ice away, and (as Volo would say airily) “there you be: smiling!”



So saith Ed. Who is grinding away at his ever-heaping platter of work, and still some chapters of editing away from seeing to you, Kuje, but has NOT forgotten you.
love to all,
THO

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