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Diffan
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So something that I've always wanted to do, and is now fore front in my mind from playing a LOT of Destiny 2, is how the Realms would look in the far future? Or more importantly, how would people want the Realms to look in the far future.

I'm planning it out and it's going to take a while but I'd love some input and discussion on molding the Future Realms and to put loose links to the past (names of legacy and how they relate, for example), how religious orders change with the time and the influx of newer technology, how older structures with stand the test of time to become bigger than they are and, most importantly, the plots that are still going on and how they adapt to the far future.

I choose a 3,500 year time jump and there's a fair bit of expected tech to be incorporated (one can look at d20 Future for your 3.5 D&D needs, Amethyst for 4E [what I currently plan on using], or simply the Future-related items and tech from the Dungeon Master Guide). Such tech like guns, fast modes of transportation, more portal activity, and possibly a switch in currency is going to be heavily prominent changes to the setting.

Which regions would rise to prominence? Which regions would fall into darkness? What happens to the Abolethic Sovereignty? Is Thay still an Undead Wasteland? How does the rise of tech affect the natural-affiliated nations of the Unapproachable East like Rasheman? What role does the Zhentarim play now in this new world? (I personally like a Black Company - Killers for Higher approach). Do Dragons still live or are their numbers diminished due to the ease advanced weaponry and flight?

I'd love to get some insight and create a big collection of ideas. I'm thinking of how fun and awesome marketing is going to be in the FR Future. Could you imagine a line of grenade-like devices made by the Harpells? Or Mithral Hall's Weapons and Armor tech (thinking of "power-hammers" named after Aegis-Fang.

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I would make it post-apocalyptic.
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Thats a hell of a time-skip.

When I ran an FR 'into the future' campaign, I only put the timeline forward 100 years, and the tech-level was 1800's (so steampunk-ish). I also set it in Anchromé. I wanted trains and halfling gunslingers.

I can't even imagine what the Realms would be like in 4991 DR! Maybe Szass Tam completed his Dread Rings all over the world and its The Walking Dead. There's your apocalypse.

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High fantasy cyberpunk. Computerliches.

Some of the core deities won't really change, but the lesser gods now have exciting new opportunities to expand their portfolios. Velsharoon should be pretty popular among scientists, geneticists, biotechnologists and so on; Mask happily adds cybercrime and hacking into his portfolio; Deneir is behind new programming languages; and so on.
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Well if 1491 DR is anything to go by then 4991 DR will be exactly the same.

One thing i would have happen is a unified human racial pantheon (i think it happened for elves and dwarves a long time ago and now its the humans turn).

Steampunk seems a logical evolution with technology becoming cheaper and more reliable until it starts to encroach upon things usually done by magic (combat being the biggy. Guns should be much cheaper than magic).

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Diffan
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

I would make it post-apocalyptic.



I had thought of that, though the idea of yet another RSE seems just so over done in the setting. What's the event that causes the Apocalypse? What's the fallout? How many Gods die? It's just too many questions for what is essentially little pay-off.

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Thats a hell of a time-skip.


I figured that far would be enough for energy-based weapons, quick mass transit, for the common-folk (not just those who enjoy magic), and other things that accentuate the Futuristic-style of the game I wanna run.

quote:

When I ran an FR 'into the future' campaign, I only put the timeline forward 100 years, and the tech-level was 1800's (so steampunk-ish). I also set it in Anchromé. I wanted trains and halfling gunslingers.


That sounds cool, and I think 16th century Realms is about par for Steam-punk, hell Pathfinder has Gunsmiths and Gunslingers and so does 5th edition too so that fits.

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I can't even imagine what the Realms would be like in 4991 DR! Maybe Szass Tam completed his Dread Rings all over the world and its The Walking Dead. There's your apocalypse.


Ugh, I'd hate to think the collective works of most deities and their servants would let that happen or continue for long. The Walking Dead just couldn't be feasible with clerics who can turn possibly dozens at a time or more with those who's domain is the Sun and other such domains (depending on edition). Not to mention small nukes from one such individual.


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Originally posted by LordofBones

High fantasy cyberpunk. Computerliches.

Some of the core deities won't really change, but the lesser gods now have exciting new opportunities to expand their portfolios. Velsharoon should be pretty popular among scientists, geneticists, biotechnologists and so on; Mask happily adds cybercrime and hacking into his portfolio; Deneir is behind new programming languages; and so on.


That's actually a really cool idea, something that I hadn't thought of. And if our own world is any indication on Computer use, I'd think Sharess is On-Par with Waukeen due to online.....adult activities if you know what I mean. I could also see ideas like Helm Total Cyber Security app and Waukeen-Bay, Tempus Arms and Armory, etc. Good stuff, Thanks!


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Originally posted by dazzerdal


Well if 1491 DR is anything to go by then 4991 DR will be exactly the same.


The fact that two thousand years pass and we've seen a plethora and prominence of magic would definitely change how things work on Faerūn. I could go farther into the future but I think the farther you go the less connection you have to the setting.

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One thing i would have happen is a unified human racial pantheon (i think it happened for elves and dwarves a long time ago and now its the humans turn).


Isn't there already sort of one? Like most deities are either of the Dwarven, Elven, Halfling, Orc, or Human pantheon already.

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Steampunk seems a logical evolution with technology becoming cheaper and more reliable until it starts to encroach upon things usually done by magic (combat being the biggy. Guns should be much cheaper than magic).


Steampunk is something that would have evoloved at some point in the Realms history, of that I have no doubt. But I think 3,500 years puts them at a much higher level of technology than muskets and revolvers.

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The old D20 setting Dragonstar matched sci-fi tech to fantasy, but Paizo's new Starfinder does a much better job of it, I think. Dragonstar just layered the sci-fi on top of the fantasy, and while there were some good ideas to it, there were other things that needed work. Starfinder, on the other hand, feels a lot more like what would happen if fantasy evolved into sci-fi. It's still got the fantasy stuff, but the fantasy and sci-fi are much more integrated -- to the point that even the classes are different.

Either one could provide some good stuff to mine for an idea like this, though it is my opinion that Starfinder is the better option. And it's more readily available, too, since it's new and Dragonstar came out in like 2001 and hasn't been supported in ages.

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Oh so kinda like Warhammer meets Warhammer.
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The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

I would make it post-apocalyptic.



I had thought of that, though the idea of yet another RSE seems just so over done in the setting. What's the event that causes the Apocalypse? What's the fallout? How many Gods die? It's just too many questions for what is essentially little pay-off.



With that big of a time jump you don't really even need a RSE. Everyone could just die off slowly :P But seriously, figure, tech-wise the Realms is 500 years in our past about. Even were it to take the tech-savvy a long time to think of a way to blow up the world, they'd still have a lot of breathing room.

I guess my point was you can make it anything. Could be LESS tech than already. Could be cyber-warfare. Or anything in between.
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LordofBones
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Maybe fireballs have fallen out of favour for plasmaballs. Maybe wizards keep spellkindles. Maybe clerics now turn and rebuke robots/AIs. Maybe undead in power armor are a thing.

The gods are there, but they've all adapted to the times. Hell, maybe Bane decided that the brute force tyrant route was just not up to snuff as the Realms evolved, and now he's like David Xanatos and the god of Just As Planned. Maybe Sune, Waukeen and Sharess are now staunch allies, when Waukeen isn't swimming in the oceans of gold their businesses have made. Hell, there's probably a niche for Loviatar.
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Aye, I'd pick up a sourcebook of Shadowrun and your favorite map of Faerun, and replace the Shadowrun names & acronyms with realmsian equivalents. Remove all racial locations (Evereska, Shanatar) and assume widespread city sprawls cover Faeruns landmass instead.

Integrate city parts such as dwarven tech-forge districts, elven net parks, orc combat zones, cleverly hidden gnome arcologies, ilithid-run transit stations, drow subway systems, towering gothic cathedrals run by celestials, draconic upper high towns and goblin slums. Inhabit the sprawls with luddite nomadic tribes, scavenging gangs of streetkids, bored slavewagers with the newest tech, deranged end times cultists, highlife noble teens with dangerous toys and darkshaded corporate high flyers willing to make a quick credit.

Your average party would be made of an orc ex-corp mercenary, an twitched elf techthief, a calculating human hermetic mage and a dwarf shaman of the Forgegod Moradin; wielding a pletora of cutting edge tools such as a Zazzespur-Yhaun Small Arms "Ravenger" revolver, a "Mosstran Mk.2" Zhent-tech heavy machinegun, Teflamms "Knockers" magnetic decoders, ThayMart disposable magic foci-line: "Talisman" and a Soargil-Coarm dataslate with holy blueprints and petabytes of storage.


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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

The old D20 setting Dragonstar matched sci-fi tech to fantasy, but Paizo's new Starfinder does a much better job of it, I think. Dragonstar just layered the sci-fi on top of the fantasy, and while there were some good ideas to it, there were other things that needed work. Starfinder, on the other hand, feels a lot more like what would happen if fantasy evolved into sci-fi. It's still got the fantasy stuff, but the fantasy and sci-fi are much more integrated -- to the point that even the classes are different.

Either one could provide some good stuff to mine for an idea like this, though it is my opinion that Starfinder is the better option. And it's more readily available, too, since it's new and Dragonstar came out in like 2001 and hasn't been supported in ages.



We did a quick one-shot of Starfinder and it was.....OK. It's still based off the d20 system, which continues to show it's age. I played a Soldier with the Blitz fighting style. The features were kinda boring. And they still haven't realized that Feats need to either have a multiple featurs (like 5E does) or advance in stages (like 4E does) to be worth a damn.

In the end I'm sticking with Amethyst from Goodman Games that uses 4th Edition as the basic mechanics. I feel it fits the genre well that can accommodate both Sci-fi and fantasy well.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

Oh so kinda like Warhammer meets Warhammer.



Except without all the Xenophobic and racial hatred overtones. Plus it won't be nearly as gritty and magic is pretty much embraced rather than shunned for being Chaos (the Empire does use Psykers tho).

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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by Bladewind

Aye, I'd pick up a sourcebook of Shadowrun and your favorite map of Faerun, and replace the Shadowrun names & acronyms with realmsian equivalents. Remove all racial locations (Evereska, Shanatar) and assume widespread city sprawls cover Faeruns landmass instead.

Integrate city parts such as dwarven tech-forge districts, elven net parks, orc combat zones, cleverly hidden gnome arcologies, ilithid-run transit stations, drow subway systems, towering gothic cathedrals run by celestials, draconic upper high towns and goblin slums. Inhabit the sprawls with luddite nomadic tribes, scavenging gangs of streetkids, bored slavewagers with the newest tech, deranged end times cultists, highlife noble teens with dangerous toys and darkshaded corporate high flyers willing to make a quick credit.

Your average party would be made of an orc ex-corp mercenary, an twitched elf techthief, a calculating human hermetic mage and a dwarf shaman of the Forgegod Moradin; wielding a pletora of cutting edge tools such as a Zazzespur-Yhaun Small Arms "Ravenger" revolver, a "Mosstran Mk.2" Zhent-tech heavy machinegun, Teflamms "Knockers" magnetic decoders, ThayMart disposable magic foci-line: "Talisman" and a Soargil-Coarm dataslate with holy blueprints and petabytes of storage.





That's essentially what I'll be doing. Awesome ideas too, thanks! I think the big cities are already going to be pretty massive and probably shrink a LOT of the forests, especially along the coastal areas of the Sword Coast and around major cities in the Western Heartlands and Cormyr too. Only the Elven nations of Cormanthor and Evereska will have strengthened their woodland homes (albeit with improvements of their own).

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

The old D20 setting Dragonstar matched sci-fi tech to fantasy, but Paizo's new Starfinder does a much better job of it, I think. Dragonstar just layered the sci-fi on top of the fantasy, and while there were some good ideas to it, there were other things that needed work. Starfinder, on the other hand, feels a lot more like what would happen if fantasy evolved into sci-fi. It's still got the fantasy stuff, but the fantasy and sci-fi are much more integrated -- to the point that even the classes are different.

Either one could provide some good stuff to mine for an idea like this, though it is my opinion that Starfinder is the better option. And it's more readily available, too, since it's new and Dragonstar came out in like 2001 and hasn't been supported in ages.



We did a quick one-shot of Starfinder and it was.....OK. It's still based off the d20 system, which continues to show it's age. I played a Soldier with the Blitz fighting style. The features were kinda boring. And they still haven't realized that Feats need to either have a multiple featurs (like 5E does) or advance in stages (like 4E does) to be worth a damn.

In the end I'm sticking with Amethyst from Goodman Games that uses 4th Edition as the basic mechanics. I feel it fits the genre well that can accommodate both Sci-fi and fantasy well.



I was referencing the setting aspect of it, not the rules.

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Diffan
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
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I would make it post-apocalyptic.



I had thought of that, though the idea of yet another RSE seems just so over done in the setting. What's the event that causes the Apocalypse? What's the fallout? How many Gods die? It's just too many questions for what is essentially little pay-off.



With that big of a time jump you don't really even need a RSE. Everyone could just die off slowly :P But seriously, figure, tech-wise the Realms is 500 years in our past about. Even were it to take the tech-savvy a long time to think of a way to blow up the world, they'd still have a lot of breathing room.

I guess my point was you can make it anything. Could be LESS tech than already. Could be cyber-warfare. Or anything in between.



I'm thinking of making certain areas similar to this. Sort of like where Thay is now. The Abolethic Sovereignty has put a stranglehold on Turmish but is meeting resistance from the surrounding areas, including the Dragonborn nation of Akanūl and the mage-tech nation of Aglarond.

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Diffan
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quote:
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I was referencing the setting aspect of it, not the rules.



ah, gotcha. Then yes, very much like Starfinder. I was wondering, wasn't there a Spelljammer ship that crashed on Faerūn near the island of Evermeet? I wonder what, if any, sort of role that wpuld play in a futuristic Realms setting?

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert



I was referencing the setting aspect of it, not the rules.



ah, gotcha. Then yes, very much like Starfinder. I was wondering, wasn't there a Spelljammer ship that crashed on Faerūn near the island of Evermeet? I wonder what, if any, sort of role that wpuld play in a futuristic Realms setting?



There have been a lot of wrecked spelljammers in the Realms, but I'd say the most prominent one is the wreckage of the Monarch Mordent, near Myth Drannor -- and that one, because the green dracolich Dretchroyaster made his lair there, has grafted bits of the ship onto himself, and is looking for its helm so he can turn himself into a spelljammer.

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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

Oh so kinda like Warhammer meets Warhammer.



Except without all the Xenophobic and racial hatred overtones. Plus it won't be nearly as gritty and magic is pretty much embraced rather than shunned for being Chaos (the Empire does use Psykers tho).



Ummm, except that xenophobia is exactly a vey common, if not essential, trope for SciFi and cyberpunkish settings.

Just because technology evolves and becomes more sophisticated does not mean that societies become "more enlightened" or more culturally tolerant. SciFi and cyberpunk has demonstrated that as our universe becomes more (perceived) crowded, we will go to great lengths to exterminate entire races, exterminate entire species, or obliterate neighboring planets or federations of planets.

From Planet of the Apes to Blade Runner….. we always figure out that we need to exterminate "the others". And with advanced technology, we conclude that we have the means to accomplish it with weapons of mass destruction, spreading bio-chemical (viral, toxin) weapons that slaughter entire colonies, or super-weapons like Death Stars. It becomes sooooooo much easier to exterminate rival sophonts when you have the technology at your disposal. So very tempting. The futuristic High Elves (Eldars? Eladrins?) will be soooo tempted to eradicate the human locusts once and for all.



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Ummm, except that xenophobia is exactly a vey common, if not essential, trope for SciFi and cyberpunkish settings.


But it's not universal for either genre; Star Trek and Star Wars are notable sci-fi examples where xenophobia is not all that common, and Shadowrun is a good example for cyberpunk. Sure, in all of them, there are xenophobic groups, but overall, in any of the three, no one cares about what race you are.

When races have coexisted more or less peacefully for millennia, xenophobia is not going to be a thing. Yes, there is xenophobia in the Realms, but it's not a Game Workshop thing where everyone hates everyone else. In GW settings, it's perfectly reasonable for different subfactions to go to war with each other, even if the tiniest application of logic would indicate they shouldn't (like the different Space Marine Chapters, for example, or different elder craftworlds).

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I don't remember the name of the setting - 3rd Era i think - someone will know what i mean right away. There was a setting where one of the PC races were basically golems. And the back story was there was a huge war that wiped out a lot of the world and eventually was fought by these automotons instead. Could use that scenario. I think Marcus or Wolly even wrote up a big description fitting them into the Realms at some point.

I get to the end of my typing and think of the name "Warforge" if that is correct.
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I don't remember the name of the setting - 3rd Era i think - someone will know what i mean right away. There was a setting where one of the PC races were basically golems. And the back story was there was a huge war that wiped out a lot of the world and eventually was fought by these automotons instead. Could use that scenario. I think Marcus or Wolly even wrote up a big description fitting them into the Realms at some point.

I get to the end of my typing and think of the name "Warforge" if that is correct.



You are thinking of the warforged of the Eberron setting. The warforged were originally regular automatons, but somewhere along the way, they became sentient. They exist among the standard fantasy races, in that setting, and with a couple other ones that were created for Eberron.

And yes, I did make three Realmsified versions of them.

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My Campaign has an NPC who has been flung from the brothels of Attornash to the final gasp of the Feywild on Toril. The combo of Spell Jammer and Shadow Run meld well with 3.5.
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I have a couple suggestions that might provide some inspiration for you, if nothing else.

First, the Tippyverse: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?222007-The-Definitive-Guide-to-the-Tippyverse-By-Emperor-Tippy . The setting's namesake does a good job of explaining it in the first post, then elaborates on it throughout the thread.

The second is Numenera: http://numenera.com/ , Monte Cook's science-fantasy game.

Both of those have a lot of good ideas for running a far-future version of a campaign setting.

You might also want to check out the basic themes and mechanics of Eberron, another world where magic has become a technology of its own.

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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  05:25:15  Show Profile Send SaMoCon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's a thought: the religion war that should have happened in the FR finally did, and Gond became supreme. That would mean the sciences were no longer actively suppressed by the pantheistic order. Arcane spell casters are scattered into pockets of cultish cabals clinging to the worship of "the old gods" and trying to take their country/world back" from the progressive and enlightened harbingers of science and reason. Gond's magic items, works, and spells all have "logical" explanations while the rest are merely superstition, myth, and petty trickery that was once used to enthrall and enslave the ignorant masses. There might be a few nations still under sway of the other gods but they are considered backwards and reactionary, called "religiously conservative," and isolated from the forwards thinking nations of the world.

Make the best use of the system that's there, then modify the mechanics that don't allow you to have the fun you are looking for.
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  08:17:24  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about the Gods get together and kill Ao.
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