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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  16:34:05  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

How about the Gods get together and kill Ao.



How are they going to kill someone that can, on just a whim, render them all utterly powerless?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  16:37:47  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaMoCon

Here's a thought: the religion war that should have happened in the FR finally did, and Gond became supreme. That would mean the sciences were no longer actively suppressed by the pantheistic order. Arcane spell casters are scattered into pockets of cultish cabals clinging to the worship of "the old gods" and trying to take their country/world back" from the progressive and enlightened harbingers of science and reason. Gond's magic items, works, and spells all have "logical" explanations while the rest are merely superstition, myth, and petty trickery that was once used to enthrall and enslave the ignorant masses. There might be a few nations still under sway of the other gods but they are considered backwards and reactionary, called "religiously conservative," and isolated from the forwards thinking nations of the world.



I, personally, don't see this kind of religious war happening. Religious wars pretty much require monotheism, which isn't a thing in most fantasy settings.

While I do think technology would grow far more prominent, I don't see how that would cause all other deities to fall.

Again, I think the most likely outcome of the proposed timejump is something akin to the Starfinder setting. Multiple gods (most of the original Pathfinder deities) are still around, magic is still around, and everyone has tech -- sometimes enhanced with magic.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 06 Jan 2018 16:38:33
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Bladewind
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This Starfinder setting might be just the thing to convince some others in my playgroup to give it a try. Is the campaign setting book worth a look?

But I tend to agree that several regions of Faerun would have had at least some religious conflicts over the millenia. I wouldn't equate it to a victory of one over another deity, but more of several pantheons clashing for territory.

So perhaps the Celestial Bureaucracy and the Faerunian pantheon had a (joined) crusade, stopping the Adama or the Enlightened of Zhakhara from spreading too far beyond their borders. Making a future Toril where the Faerunian pantheons polytheism holds a worldwide sway, influencing polities through a complex lobbying system designed to operate laws laid out by a United Nations like World Government.

It would be easier to have had a successful Yihad of the Dieties of Fate, who would have succeeded in wiping out all cults to the other Pantheons from Faerun, thusly creating the new age of racial acceptance and this melting pot of races of all kinds in most city sprawls. This Faerun would be more concerned with certain taboos of ancient times, with bans of iconography or arts of old religions, monitored by a council of wisemen who have deeply integrated agents in every ruling family.

Another religious status quo could emerge if new philosophers that have explored the multiversal galaxies come back with newer religious insights that prove very popular. One could mine Planescape factions and incorporate them into the philosophic texture of a future Toril, giving rise to social groups such as fanatic militaristic nihilists (Doomguards), goths (Bleak Cabal), hedonists (Sensates), etc. who are found in every shadowy corner of the streets of Faeruns mega-cities.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  23:14:18  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bladewind

This Starfinder setting might be just the thing to convince some others in my playgroup to give it a try. Is the campaign setting book worth a look?


If you like the idea of blending fantasy and sci-fi, yes.

And it's more than just the campaign book -- the Starfinder rules are a little different from straight Pathfinder; so the book is also the core rulebook.

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Bladewind
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Posted - 06 Jan 2018 :  23:44:38  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I will hold out diving in until they come out with a dedicated setting book. I'll have a look over their srd but there are lots of nice rulesets for future space travel settings so I might be tempted to steal their fluff and use a different ruleset.

I do like to use a slightly more magitech approach to spelljamming though. Perhaps I can mine some of their mechanical ideas in the srd for my 15th century realms campaigns if my players go beyond Torils atmosphere. Perhaps tone down some of the computer based parts of the spaceships in Starfinder and replace it with arcane magicstations...

EDIT: Just checked, and they have no srd up yet

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  00:28:22  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bladewind

I will hold out diving in until they come out with a dedicated setting book. I'll have a look over their srd but there are lots of nice rulesets for future space travel settings so I might be tempted to steal their fluff and use a different ruleset.

I do like to use a slightly more magitech approach to spelljamming though. Perhaps I can mine some of their mechanical ideas in the srd for my 15th century realms campaigns if my players go beyond Torils atmosphere. Perhaps tone down some of the computer based parts of the spaceships in Starfinder and replace it with arcane magicstations...

EDIT: Just checked, and they have no srd up yet



The main book is the setting book -- it's just that it's also the core rulebook.

The main part of the Starfinder setting is the solar system where Golarion was* -- and there is already Pathfinder source material for that, though the Starfinder book does update it.

*Golarion, the world of the Pathfinder setting, has vanished, and no one knows why, where it went, or even when it disappeared. All the gods will say is that it's still around, somewhere. The reason "when" is a question is because there is a long period of time where historical records are either missing or change every time you look at them, and even the people who were around when the normal flow of history resumed didn't have a clear memory of what happened before.

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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  04:23:34  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
How are they going to kill someone that can, on just a whim, render them all utterly powerless?



They have to surprise-attack him with a really high Initiative roll!
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StarFinder System Reference Document

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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Bladewind
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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  12:46:21  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most appreciated.

Building a spelljammer starship hybrid that I would allow in my "magitech" FR campaign now!

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Bladewind
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Waterdhavian Tradesman

The Tradesman is a common short-range merchant ship, plying its way between its spaceports-of-call, and not equipped to deal with much more than a similarly-equipped vessel that has turned pirate. The performance of the Tradesman is mediocre at best, and the only reason it has become such a popular vessel is its simplicity (which allows it to be easily built at many different ports, as well as allowing crews with little or no training to handle it), and the fact that its cargo bays and cavernous steerage deck allow it to carry more cargo than most ships its size.

Tier 1

Medium Transport (25 tons, 120 ft length, 30ft wide)

Speed 6; Maneuverability good (turn 2); Jamming Speed 1; Armor Class 14; Target Lock 12

Hull HP 70; Damage Threshold ; Critical Threshold 11

Shields basic 20 (forward 5, port 5, starboard 5, aft 5) /requires 10 PCU to operate

Attack (Forward) light arcane ballista; 1 crew (2d4) /requires 5 PCU to use

Attack (Turret) amplified magic missile pod; 2 crew (4d8) /requires 10 PCU to use

Arcane Battery Pulse Gray (100 PCU); Jamming Engine Helmsmans Seat (equal to a basic signal hyperdrive and requires 75 PCU to operate); Systems Arcane monitoring station (+0 computer with medium range sensors, 5 PCU to operate), crew quarters (common), mk 3 armor, mk 1 defenses; Expansion Bays cargo holds (3; allowing 18 tons total cargo), arcane laboratory (10 pcu to operate), smugglers compartment (10 tons)

Modifiers +0 Piloting (maximum of 1 Helmsman); Complement 10 (maximum of 3 on weapon stations)

Landing-Land No Landing-Water No

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Bladewind
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Interestingly I made this ship unable to land from orbit safely, which would imply that Waterdeep would have a space elevator or orbital station reachable by haulers of some kind to unload onto these Tradesman ships.

I think I would prefer the space elevator, giving Waterdeep the ability to maintain mercantile domination over its neighbors into the far future, while making it a clear focal point in the cityscape of the Sword coast: a literal sword piercing through mount Waterdeep.

Who would be in control of cultured tradecenters like Waterdeep? A cabal of mages like the Hidden Lords held sway for a long time, held back by secret syndicates, but I could also see a celestial plutocracy taking over backed by the banks of the Faerunian clergies.

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