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ericlboyd
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Posted - 08 Apr 2019 :  23:41:27  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Added in some more dates for synnoria and defined more how it progressed from a monarchy to a theocracy.

Basically kaminas was king and his daughter herene was in love with deric. They were forbidden from marrying and synnoria was sealed with magic to keep them apart.
Deric dies and centuries later herene is forced to marry Ridinlahr who then becomes a Lord and consort of herene (like Prince Albert is consort of queen elizabeth).
Herene dies of a broken heart, childless. Kaminas goes to evermeet and Ridinlahr is left as Lord of synnoria.
He falls in love with belshareen and makes the harp for her. She dies and he then leaves for evermeet as well (I like the irony of repeating fates).

This synnoria is left without an heir and so the high priest of the temple becomes ruler.


I used Eric's advice for utilising existing characters. Ridinlahr was a Lord of the llewyrr, so the question was how did he get to be one. Then synnoria becomes a theocracy of sorts and so how did the royal line die out. We know kaminas had a daughter and the druidhome novels say that herene died childless so I made Ridinlahr a consort and thus rule could pass to him on herenes death and his fate is already sealed.

Hopefully ties up a few loose ends



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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 09 Apr 2019 :  07:56:22  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you very much. I'm thinking of adding further irony to the tale and linking the llewyrr elves to an elven house if evermeet that is dying out because it gas had no children in centuries (which I figure is the result of a vyshaan curse because they helped the llewyrr escape).
So if kaminas had allowed his daughter to marry deric then perhaps human fertility would have countered the curse and the increased interactions with humans would have resulted in more cross breeding. Instead kaminas sealed synnoria and caused it to dwindle ever more.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 09 Apr 2019 :  21:02:32  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another odd thing in Halls of the High King.

quote:
Old Taunn, a netmender of Aithelar,
has breathed his last. He was
buried at sea yestereve. Xmnn is
said to be the last of The Company
of the Red Sword, an adventuring
group that retired to the Moonshaes
some forty-six summers ago
when the Sword Coast lands (particularly
Tethyr) grew too hot for
their comfort. The Company hid a
great treasure#151;gold, gems, carved
ivory and jade statuettes, pearls,
and magic, too!#151;somewhere on
the Isles and never touched a copper
piece of it as one by one they
grew old and died. No one knows
the horde#146;s resting-place now, but
local lore has always held it to be
somewhere underground near
Aithelar.
Taunn never spoke of the treasure
during his gray years, despite
the prodding of his greedy coworkers.
But on his deathbed he
muttered, #147;The princess#146;ll never
wear her armor now!#148; These
words are thought to apply to a
winged suit of magical field plate
armor of exquisite design, silverplated
and chased into flattering
curves, made for a princess of the
Lantanna almost ninety years ago.
The armor gave the wearer the
power of flight, reflected back
many spells (including magic missiles,
and had gauntlets that could
hurl balls of flame in battle! The
Company stole the armor with the
princess in it; neither she nor the
armor were seen again.
Some Ffolk believe the princess
herself, one Lhysstyliir, still dwells
somewhere on the Moonshaes,
aged and bearing another name.
Some even say she will come to
fight for the Isles in a time of great
need, wielding the awesome
powers of her armor. The Lantanna
have no princesses now;
their noble families long ago renounced
their titles and opened
the ranks of their governing Council
to all citizens.



Its very odd in its specificity, 46 summers ago (from 1357 DR presumably, the adventuring company fled to the Moonshae Isles from Tethyr.
Now in 1319 DR the ten black days of Eleint happened so in the years prior to that there may have been some trouble in the region. the only other Tethyr related event i have is in 1295 DR where King Jaszur of Tethyr is slain and all the crown jewels are stolen.

Now the adventuring company are supposed to have stolen a princess from Lantan at some point, and her plate mail suit (which was made 90 years ago. Presumably the plate mail suit was made to fit the adult her so that puts the princess at least 108 years old in 1357 DR.
The princes is supposed to still be around and fabled to ride to Moonshaes rescue but somehow became separated from Old Yaunn and the suit of plate mail.


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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 10 Apr 2019 :  16:10:45  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Noted a high harvestmaster of chauntea in the halls of the high king adventure. Checked faiths and avatars and it's the second most senior position in that religion so it looks like I have a name for the leading priest of chauntea in the Moonshaes Isles.

Also noted a number of groves in the Darnell forest in that adventure not linked to Moonwells that have no function other than to be a sacred site.
Also noted hints at elves having lived in Alaron and the other islands but without any remnants of their civilisation left behind. So I'm thinking about making a portal network that linked all the islands, I might call it the alamtine trail.

If the elves did stay on other islands but left no trace, perhaps that was because they did not stay permanently, instead establishing a portal network that linked all the forests into one great land with synnoria at its centre.
Travel through that network could require the metal triangle key from the novels. By following the groves in Alaron in a particular direction you would end up on Gwynneth or Oman or norland or Snowdown or Moray where large forests used to exist.
Using the network from synnoria also allowed you to travel to Sunset Island which had another portal on it that linked to Evermeet.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 11 Apr 2019 :  08:37:27  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Halls of the high king is a veritable treasure trove of lore.

Found three Harper's to assist bran skorlsun in his mission to purge false and renegade Harper's.

Also found thanados the falcon, cult leader of bane who led the banites before the coming of gauntather and actually turned from Banes worship to chauntea.

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ElfBane
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Posted - 11 Apr 2019 :  11:46:50  Show Profile Send ElfBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've found a genealogy of the Moonshaes High Kings (don't remember where I found it though, it's not from the GHotR). But does anyone know of a genealogy of the kings of Corwell/Gwynneth??
Thanks!
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 11 Apr 2019 :  11:53:40  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Until the esteemed George Krashos turns his eye to the Moonshae Isles (which seems unlikely given his other areas of focus far from the tiny island chain), it is unlikely there will be a dynasty of Corwell, Moray, Snowdown, or any of the other Moonshae Isles.

I'm making my own but it is by no means canon or even based on canon (except for the early years of Corwell which include the likes of Taylor and Deric), and is based upon a previous iteration of my redevelopment of the Moonshae Isles, which may be where you found it originally.

I'd be interested in seeing another's ideas for a royal lineage of Corwell, Moray, etc, but i appreciate it is a massive undertaking to develop a thousand year lineage (often requiring complete analysis of the region in question).

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George Krashos
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Posted - 11 Apr 2019 :  22:53:20  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, They're not really "royal" lineages, are they? They are local lords running their feifdoms. It would be the same as tracking the family lines of the Silver noble families of Cormyr. Useful to the chasers of the obscure, but not particularly necessary. Gary, why don't you list the actual 'royal' lineage here for all to see?

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Apr 2019 :  10:08:53  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I shall copy it from GHoTR when I am able.

I however view the individual kingdoms of the ffolk differently. The kings of Corwell are a royal dynasty in themselves with all the power of other kings to set taxes, make laws, wage war, etc. They have individual succession laws (but most follow primogenitor succession).
The high king is best thought of as the king of kings. He is like an emperor with the other kings as his vassals in a similar way that a king has nobles as their vassals.
The high king can overrule a king in certain circumstances and can even choose a new king if circumstances allow.
However the difference is that if a king dislikes his noble he can remove power from him with some resistance (slowly take lands away for failure, force unfavourable marriages, tax him unfairly etc) but for the high king to remove a king is that much more difficult.
A king has access to all the resources and manpower of his noble vassals and if the high king were to interfere in the natural law of a kingdom it is likely all vassals would unite behind their king to resist the high king. Whereas the high king cannot count on the support of all his nobles or vassal kings in the war.
Being a king is a delicate balancing act of keeping nobles and other vassals happy while making sure they do not get too powerful (else they decide they would like to be king themselves). A high king magnifies those problems because each vassal king is already powerful and is a permanent position that the high king has little power to oppose or influence.

Which is why I'm choosing to map the lineages of each island. Admittedly that has little relevance or importance when a high king is in power, but the Moonshaes isles have not always had a high king (the last 4 centuries for instance) so inter kingdom rivalries and alliances are important then (plus I like doing the obscure stuff).

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Apr 2019 :  21:12:54  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Who would have thought, Ed created the Stonewalk spell before it was used by Fzoul in the novel/event to travel to far off places.

Turns out Stonewalk links two places with a teleport effect that operates only between the two specially prepared places. So that means someone (and for me that is Bane, Myrkul, and Bhaal as living beings) setup these stonewalk places all across the realms at some point in the past, and that Fzoul discovered the links and used it much later to his advantage.

So Stellac Benadi travelled to the Moonsea region from presumably Mourktar (the only place with a Banite presence at the time) almost instantly using the stonewalk effect that the Dark Three setup earlier to link their former haunts.

Oodles of possibilities there.

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AJA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2019 :  01:09:33  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just saw this on Ed's twitter (#Realmslore), thought it might be of interest;

quote:
No, the Moonshae Isles were in the Realms before D&D existed. (I created and named them.) TSR asked if I minded if they switched out my Isles for Doug's Albion campaign (which TSR UK was going to publish before it became just a distributor), and I said that was fine, so my Hebrides-style "many small islands" went away, and Doug's came in (and the Ffolk with them). In my original, "Moonshaes" meant "Kissed By the Moon" or "Embraced By The Moon" or "Fed By The Moon," as the name was so old the origin had begun to fade.



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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 13 Apr 2019 :  08:59:50  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's a good find, I shall have to think how to add that in, possibly as a legend of the leshay or elves passed onto the ffolk. I've rather neglected the moon as a source in my version thus far, I may have yo correct that

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 15 Apr 2019 :  09:06:43  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Started on the broken ring. Decided to make it just a criminal gang because not every organisation has to have a clandestine plot and some of then aren't meant to last for hundreds of years.
The broken ring just wants to make money, lots of it. I'll have them in the east coast of corwell, the West coast of callidyrr and all of Snowdown. They get involved in banditry, burglary, pick pocketing, extortion, smuggling, and information (mostly on ship cargoes sold to pirates of nelanther).

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Gary Dallison
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Sooo, halls of the high king mentions a barrow in rural callidyrr that is home to a vampire and his service undead (sights, ghouls, etc).

So I'm thinking first the location. It says rural callidyrr so to my mind that means not near caer callidyrr. It also doesn't say in the forest so I'm picturing in the south where it is mostly open fields.

Then is who is this vampire and where/when did he come from.
He is buried in a barrow large enough to fit several other creatures so I figure he was a person of some importance, an old king or chieftain of the ffolk or perhaps even older like and elf or leshay.

Next is how did he become a vampire like creature (I'm not making him a vampire because that is too generic, but he is a creature that feeds off the lifeforms of others to sustain himself). Perhaps he was turned by kazgoroth in one of the last wars and now sustains himself by feeding on the energy of others.
Perhaps the ffolk imprisoned him in the barrow (with the help of elves and druids etc).

I have always though that Alaron was the name of the ffolk chief that led that group of ffolk to that island, perhaps I can make him the vampire and he could have delusions of uniting the ffolk with himself as an eternal king

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Gary Dallison
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Noted the King Niall is the first of the Carrathal Dynasty of Callidyrr but is still a son of High King Tanner.

So to explain the change in name i've decided that Niall is a bastard son of King Tanner, and all other true born claimants to the throne are slain in the chaos that engulfs Callidyrr when the Sword Cymrych Hugh is lost.

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Gary Dallison
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Moving on to a few of the customs of ffolk life.

Trying to think up of a name for the honour guard of the king. Ideally I'd like it to be possible to derive the name scarlet guard from it so I'm initially thinking of blood bond, but that could apply to anyone so I need a royal version where you have pledged your life to protect the king (and been accepted). Possibly derived from tribal roots where the clans best warriors would protect the clan elder.
These honour guards fell out of favour in callidyrr when high king tanker died (the surviving honour guard formed the heralds of the high king) but persist in other islands.

The scarlet guard derives from the ancient tradition of blood bonded warriors and it's name indicates elite warriors. I'm thinking that ogres are difficult to come by so I might look at non human mercenary groups like the Chill and see if the dates match up for their formation.

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Gary Dallison
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Been thinking about cymrych hugh and the alliance of ffolk and elves and dwarves against kazgoroth in 201 DR.

A few decades earlier King Kaminas had sealed Synnoria so no human could find it (after chief Deric tried to romance his daughter).

So how did cymrych hugh establish an alliance with a nation he could not get to.

Given that Queen Allisynn was buried in an eleven tower, im wondering perhaps if she was not an elf. As far as I know they have no children together and she does in 201 so her racial origin is not super important but as an elf she could establish communication between the two peoples (and might explain why the elves buried her in a tower on a floating island).

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Wooly Rupert
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Just because the kingdom couldn't be found by humans didn't mean the elves couldn't come and go, and/or that they couldn't maintain contact with the outside world.

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It is true, but I'm pretty sure the novels said synnoria was sealed to keep the humans away, so he wouldn't want his people leaving to go visit humans (and the elves like synnoria, the magic makes you not want to leave). I think kaminas was insulted by Deric and deliberately ended contact with the humans.
Cymrych Hugh also ruled from Callidyrr, which is a long way from synnoria and limits contact between the rulers.

Plus I don't think anything noted allisynns race so it might be nice to continue the theme of human and elf pairings that are doomed to fail

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quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

It is true, but I'm pretty sure the novels said synnoria was sealed to keep the humans away, so he wouldn't want his people leaving to go visit humans (and the elves like synnoria, the magic makes you not want to leave). I think kaminas was insulted by Deric and deliberately ended contact with the humans.
Cymrych Hugh also ruled from Callidyrr, which is a long way from synnoria and limits contact between the rulers.

Plus I don't think anything noted allisynns race so it might be nice to continue the theme of human and elf pairings that are doomed to fail



Evermeet was created as an elven homeland, away from the other races -- but there is nothing at all that keeps Evermeet's people from leaving and returning.

Just because you lock your front door, it doesn't mean you never intend to use it yourself.

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Gary Dallison
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Again all true, I deliberately created the series of portals to allow the elves to visit other islands without having to use ships (which could easily be hijacked by north men raiders).

I think the llewyrr probably go wandering in all the woods of the moonshine isles (or they did), but elves are normally aloof and distant from humans and I reckon the llewyrr are similar.
The humans are not able to find the elves, therefore for an alliance to begin the elves would have to seek out the humans. King Kaminas is not going to establish an alliance based upon some meeting between an eleven scout and some random human, especially after he nearly lost his daughter to a human - his reaction shows his regard for the species).

So I'm looking for a reason for an important interaction between humans and elves and a marriage seems the most significant option, plus all the best stories involve a chance encounter between two potential partners a budding romance ensues amid the chaos and conflict but eventually they win the day and get married. That she does shortly after makes it all the more tragic.

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So Kazgoroth died in 201 DR. Then suddenly in 1346 DR he comes back, no explanation or hints as to how and why. Originally I had planned to ignore him coming back and rewrite events with kazgoroth in multiple guises born from his first death (skin, horn, and soul).

Now however I'm thinking I was wrong in excluding kazgoroth returning as the ravager.

We know that Brianne Moonsinger felt Kazgoroths return and she wandered into the Myrloch Vale and vanished. We know the Darkwell has been corrupted in some manner for a long time (possibly since Kazgoroths death by cymrych hugh).

I think Kazgoroth was originally slain in the Darkwell by Cymrych Hugh, and his body dissolved into the waters corrupting it permanently.
The Banshee Rider was reanimated after being chucked in the well (can't remember if I read that or made it up) so I have her animated by kazgoroths essence.

What if Brianne Moonsinger was thrown into the Darkwell and Kazgoroth used her power to bring himself back. However this version was weak, only a shadow of his former power, and so easily slain by Tristan and the munchkins of doom.

I can still have the other pieces of Kazgoroth working independently of the original. I have the horn, the skin, his soul (trapped in the cauldron of doom), his claw (from baldurs gate) and the heart left behind after the ravages death.

I think the claw will be relatively minor, creating a blood rider type creature out of those it injures. The heart maybe allows the holder to gain some of his powers.

I'm rather taken with the idea of kazgoroth becoming linked to the sword of cymrych hugh and it gaining the bane ability against him, rather than it being manufactured that way. Kazgoroth killing kaminas wife is one link, trying to corrupt the banshee rider (the queens sister) is another link, and then corrupting allisynn (who I might make greene's twin and thus daughter of kaminas wife) is the third link. That seals his fate and makes him vulnerable to the sword.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  21:01:37  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finished writing up my version of Kazgoroth, although i will likely change it again and again as i continue to evolve the Moonshae Isles.

https://alternaterealmsblog.wordpress.com/home/npcs/island-kingdoms-npcs/kazgoroth/

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jamesewelch
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  16:36:14  Show Profile Send jamesewelch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Finished writing up my version of Kazgoroth, although i will likely change it again and again as i continue to evolve the Moonshae Isles.

https://alternaterealmsblog.wordpress.com/home/npcs/island-kingdoms-npcs/kazgoroth/



Kazgoroth could also inflict lycanthropy on bite, charm people (5ft radius or something), and had some innate spell casting (see invisible and detect magic, I think). Just in case you wanted to beef up his stats a bit more :)

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Gary Dallison
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I'm moving away from the lycanthropy thing as it's too generic and I like unique monsters, but I'll add in the invisibility and charm person. Good call, ta.

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