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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 13 Mar 2019 :  18:54:53  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As a further thought, how do brutish creatures survive in islands where space and resources are limited and what use/value would they have for gold.

What I mean is, firbolg do not make anything, they do not farm, they do not craft much beyond fir skins and branch clubs.

On the mainland there are any numbers of enclaves of creatures willing to trade with creatures regardless of their origin or nature. So a brutish monster can happily trade it's stolen loot in return for food and goods as long as it can control it's murderous urges long enough to trade.

On an island those enclaves are reduced in number and spread if they exist at all. Yes there is the underdark but that will not have a connection to every mountain on every island.

So these firbolg have accumulated all this wealth but for what purpose, who can they trade it with. They are in the middle of the myrloch vale, the ffolk and llewyrr and dwarves won't trade with them (because of their murdering and looting) so what would the firbolg do with all that loot. It explains why they have such a pile (they can't spend it) but it does not explain why they would value and collect it in the first place (they can't spend it).

Just a random thought.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 13 Mar 2019 :  19:08:21  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gold fever is an odd illness.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 13 Mar 2019 :  19:19:32  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's true, but gold fever is used too often for d&d creatures. Humans suffer from it obviously as greed is a very human trait. Dwarves suffer from it, a holdover from Tolkien dwarves no doubt. Halflings suffer from it with their tendency to milder anything valuable that is within the reach of twitchy fingers. Dragons have it to explain why these creatures hoard such huge volumes of wealth.

To have all vaguely intelligent creatures suffer from an attraction to a shiny but otherwise useless material seems a bit too far.
Goblins and orcs represent the very worst of human characteristics so of course theur greed and jealousy traits are magnified, but these firbolg are giants.

Giants seem to me like noble creatures with honour (in general). The firbolg are regenerate versions, barely able to clothe themselves, but would they suffer from the same irrational lust for shiny stuff that other magpie like monsters share.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 13 Mar 2019 :  20:41:20  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My first post was a bit of sarcasm; but thinking more deeply...

Perhaps there is a magical compulsion affixed to gold. In a universe where magic is real; perhaps the gold itself is a quasi-magical substance that creatures are simply drawn to. Perhaps the same with all Noble Metals...

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I can certainly get behind that as an idea.

I think i still need a black market economy of sorts for evil creatures elsewise an army of evil firbolg would not survive.

Maybe the hallucinations that Thorin experiences in the Hobbit are a fairly decent approximation of what happens to people who accumulate too much gold. I reckon i could create a new monster that lives in the astral or ethereal that is attracted to gold and possesses those nearby (to get them to acquire more gold).

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Posted - 13 Mar 2019 :  21:10:42  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I can certainly get behind that as an idea.

I think i still need a black market economy of sorts for evil creatures elsewise an army of evil firbolg would not survive.

Maybe the hallucinations that Thorin experiences in the Hobbit are a fairly decent approximation of what happens to people who accumulate too much gold. I reckon i could create a new monster that lives in the astral or ethereal that is attracted to gold and possesses those nearby (to get them to acquire more gold).






An "Astral Possessing Spirit" sounds cool! It feeds off the accumulated essence of metals maybe...

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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

To have all vaguely intelligent creatures suffer from an attraction to a shiny but otherwise useless material seems a bit too far.


That's because it's not "all vaguely intelligent creatures" and it's not the gold itself that attracts them. It's the wealth -- which happens to be represented by gold, because gold is a beautiful, mostly useless, yet still rare commodity.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 14 Mar 2019 :  14:14:44  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Am as far as the sisters of synnoria. I'm unsure as to what Avalon the horse is, is it one of the children of the earthmothers or not. I know I've used that it is sired by kamerynn in the past, but I can't recall if that comes from canon.

Also the pack appears to actually be a group of normal wolves gathered around a single wolf who is descended from one of the earthmothers children so I'll have to come up with a name and purpose for this creature.

And back to the Big Cave. Why would coal pollute the Moonwell. Coal is a natural substance, it is formed from pressure acting on fossilized remains (I think) I can't imagine why it would be considered unnatural apart from our modern bias towards industrialisation. I'm thinking perhaps to make it something other than coal, perhaps the ancient remains of a powerful creature - mayhaps something to do with death or magic drain.


I'm guessing from page 95 onwards it is all about the Big battle. I've got about 20 names of people from Cordell and surrounding lands, a few Cantrev and their economy but not much else.

Also trahern bothers me, why did he turn evil. He seemed nice for half a page until kazgoroth "got him" and then he's a pawn. The bloodriders seem consumed with bloodlust so that explains their change of loyalties, but trahern seems to still possess all his mental faculties.

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Posted - 14 Mar 2019 :  15:02:33  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Coal is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand it can actually filter water in the ground.

On the other if it is exposed to the surface and leaches into drinking water it can be poisonous.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 14 Mar 2019 :  15:12:01  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I think I shall make it coal but also not coal. Bodies of potent magical creatures transformed by magic and pressure would make something similar to coal but which also possess a lingering magical quality which in this case is corruption.

I've changed the Moonwells to be the opposite of their stated purpose while also keeping their same properties as listed. They provide magic to the druids bit actually drain that power from the Moonshaes Isles (which are the Earthmother- she's not a god). So kazgoroth actually wants to destroy the Moonwells to save the Earthmother (actually he mostly wants to free himself as the Moonwells form a magical web of leylines that keep him trapped).

The Moonwells are linked to the leshay and the magic and life energy of lady ordalfs keeps them active, so kazgoroth corrupts them with death to break the link and make them normal Moonwells (not magical) once more.

So dumping coal in a Moonwell won't break that link but the ancient dead bodies of powerful creatures will.

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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  11:52:10  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nearly finished darkwalker (thankfully). The depiction of the bloodriders is what I'm going to use for kazgoroths minions way back in the past - creatures fuelled by hate and bloodlust that are consumed by their own rage (and lack of eating or sleeping) until they crumble into dust.

This conferred bloodlust was done in the past using the mere touch of kazgoroth (which imparted his own hatred into the touched creature). Now the Moonwells prevent that touch ability from working but I think I shall have kazgoroth change so that he forces beings to invest his own blood to turn them into more powerful versions that are consumed from within quicker, but which can regenerate by slaying foes. This process is more time consuming and draining so kazgoroth does not use it as frequently as he used his touch in the past.

As an afterthought I can have a few evil creatures remain as a dust version of these hate fuelled monsters that inhabit old battlefields and infect the unwary (maybe that is why llyrath forest has such dangerous creatures in it).

Also came across a northman term for the bloodriders, grunnarch said they were more skeletal and fearsome looking than a deathshead, so I shall use that as a northman name for the drathak (another more recent minion of kazgoroth) which I had pegged as undead but I think I shall refine that to animated dead (and not animated by negative energy but instead by kazgoroths own power).

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  15:53:15  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also noted Robyn is daughter of erianna moonsinger and there is of course the old genna moonsinger. Both the moonsinger are old great druids.

I'm guessing that perhaps a minor character mistake was made and genna should be erianna or vice versa. Instead we have two members of the same family who were both great druids and the daughter of one becomes the next great druid.
This implies some genetic predisposition to being an awesome druid. Also genna I'm guessing would be robyns aunt.

So what makes someone a natural druid and candidate for a great druid of a powerful druidic circle. Robyn seemed to use a number of druidic talents without even being aware of it (thus making them inherent abilities). She could speak with animals, heat metal, control plants.

Inherent abilities implies a magical/genetic inherited transference so that would mean robyns ancestors are descended from someone with similar abilities and an affinity with nature. A leshay or other fey creature would have such abilities and so perhaps I can tie a half Leshay into robyns ancestry somewhere.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  20:14:31  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also Aileen seemed curiously important to Laric, possessed of some unknown reserve of strength that he wanted to consume. I'm thinking that Aileen should be related to some well known NPC of the realms, maybe a lost daughter of the queen of Evermeet.

Also the Sword of Cymrych Hugh appears to be vaguely intelligent, it compels Tristan to attack Kazgoroth and directs his blows somewhat. So whoever created the sword imbued some intelligence into the blade (although i much prefer they imbue some part of themselves into an intelligent magic item).

And the Staff of the White Well can call upon a huge lightning storm so its quite powerful. I've never encountered a White Well before in Moonshae Lore, i could tie it to the big well in synnoria but that seems a bit too easy/obvious.

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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  20:22:21  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And why does Kazgoroth want to destroy Caer Corwell. Is there something beneath it perhaps or something inside it that Kazgoroth wants.

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Posted - 18 Mar 2019 :  13:36:14  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A few random musings to write down before I forget them.

I might make the white well and the darkwell be the same place. The white well was the name of the Moonwell before it was polluted, the darkwell is it's name after Kazgoroth was defeated the first time (I figure in a last ditch attempt to stop the leshay enchanted the Moonwells he hurled himself into it as it was being enchanted, thus corrupting the Moonwell enchantments).

So the staff of the white well is made from some tree that grew out of the Moonwell, perhaps a treant like creature that was going to be the guardian.


Onto Genna Moonsinger and the other Moonsingers. I think I will have them be of leshay descent. My main protagonist collects bloodlines and mixes them trying to create strong individuals to further her own purpose (conflict in the Moonshaes that will lead to the death of high lady ordalf). So this hag used her own bloodline to create the moonsinger family who are all potent druids.


Still not sure about the sword of cymrych hugh. It just being forged to defeat kazgoroth is not interesting enough for such a powerful and important weapon. I feel it should be linked to his actions elsewhere in the Moonshaes but other than the white well I'm not sure what it could be.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 21 Mar 2019 :  21:38:08  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Had a few thoughts about Synnoria and the Sword of Cymrych Hugh.

So Synnoria is ruled by a matriarch at the moment (according to a novel), but in the past it was ruled by a King Kaminas.

Apparently King Kaminas had a daughter who tried it on with King Deric of the ffolk of Corwell (although i'm twisting that story).

So what happened to the royal family of Synnoria?

Add into the mix is the dwarves in Darkwalker clearly hate the elves and the feeling seems mutual. I get that this is probably just to mirror tolkienesque rivalry but in FR we now need a reason to explain it.



So i came up with a bit of a story. The sword of cymrych hugh was crafted by the dwarves as a gift for the queen of Synnoria when she married Kaminas.
At a later date the queen was riding through the Myrloch Vale when she was attacked by Kazgoroth. Horribly injured by the Beast all attempts to heal/revive her failed. The elves blamed this upon the gem used in the pommel of the sword which appears to have drawn her soul into the sword (accounting for the intelligence of the blade and its purpose to slay Kazogoroth), and so the elves hate the dwarves for causing the death of their queen and the dwarves hate the elves because they were blamed unjustly and because the elves were ungrateful about the kingly gift they were given.

Anyway Cymrych Hugh ends up in Synnoria and the sword chooses him as its owner. Kazgoroth is slain and everything works out in the end, except that Kaminas declines of grief and moves onto Evermeet and his daughter runs away from her forced marriage and is lost, thus ending the royal line of Synnoria.

I've also made Anhaern Rhyllgallohyr the twin sister of the queen and she possesses a sister blade to the Sword of Cymrych Hugh (although it is not enchanted or intelligent). Also decided that the Sisters of Synnoria would be established during/after the war with kazgoroth and so Anhaern is the first captain of the sisters and fought with Cymrych Hugh against Kazgoroth.


Gives a bit more backstory to existing NPCs and magic items and is my attempt at explaining a few things in the novels.

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Randomly musing again, this time about king durnhal and queen Morgan being pursued by Prince ketheryll.

I decided a while ago that it would be a sovereignty dispute between the high kingdom of the Moonshaes and the kingdom of corwell.

I've rewritten history a bit since I figured kings aren't just declared by default, events actually happen to unite an entire people and that someone declares themself king. This happened for the island of Gwynneth and Alaron at the same time when cymrych hugh became high king.

So how then does a kingdom of corwell evolve independently of the high kingdom. I figure that power would be devolved first with the rykers being declared regents and they rule Gwynneth in cymrych hugh name so that he doesn't have to micromanage both callidyrr and Gwynneth.

Then at some point the people of Gwynneth would want their own king for prestige and because other islands have one (moray). When the high king fights back against the northmen the clans agree but only if they can appoint a king of their own (who is still a vassal of the high king).

This we now have a king of the ffolk on Gwynneth. This causes problems when high king gwylloch moves the capital of the high kingdom to llyrath on Gwynneth as he builds the castle of skulls. Issues over sovereignty eventually result in king durnhal and queen Morgan being accused of treason and the crown Prince hunting down the entire Ryker clan.

I've got a little event where king durnhal and queen Morgan take refuge on corlyths hill and crown Prince ketheryll is unable to hurt them (thanks to the magic of the guardian - caoimhin which the ffolk corrupted to corlyth). This provides an origin to the wayfire tradition and is also the start of the settlement of corwell (until this point the ffolk of Gwynneth had been steadily moving west from Cantrev kingsbay so Cantrev corwell wasn't founded yet.

A few years after the disappearance of g
The castle of skulls, the ffolk of Gwynneth declare a new king (and dynasty) and he founds the kingdom of corwell with a new capital at Cantrev corwell (Well away from Alaron). The new king immediately swears fealty to the high king.


So I'm thinking of a new organisation, something like Morgan's Wall, which has a number of clans of central corwell (away from Cantrev kingsbay) that is staunchly opposed to the refounding of the high kingdom and also hates any alliance with the northmen (blaming the failure of the high kingdom for the ffolk ceding all claim on the northmen isles)

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Found an obscure reference: "A fourth may lie in the depths of the Korinn Archipelago, and a fifth is said to be in the northwestern reaches of Anauroch." See Lost Empires of Faerun, page 108.

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Keep those obscure references coming, always useful. However, i think that one was already identified earlier in the thread.

I was never quite sure what to do with the enclave in the korinn archipelago. Given the location of an island in the korinn archipelago that holds a devil tied to the island (4e i think), i decided that perhaps the devil and the enclave were linked because both were so unusual and out of place (and that the netherese had some experience with extra planar contact and exploration.

Decided not to elaborate on the enclave itself, or what it was doing all the way out here, or even what it was called, but of anyone has any ideas or suggestions then i'm open.

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I think I've decided on kadish being on Gwynneth at last. Magic travel is expensive (regardless of race) so conventional means of transportation must be used between faerun and evermeet and vice versa with the Moonshaes in between.

957 DR is the time someone went missing travelling to kadish from evermeet so the port could have persisted some time after that (for it to disappear following wizards destroying the elders of winterglen and at last all the remaining elves moved to synnoria and evermeet.

Synnoria has no coastline available to evermeet and by 957 DR all other elven settlements on other islands had long since vanished (as humans moved in). Gwynneth is by that time the only island with large regions not inhabited by humans so it makes it the logical choice.

Thus Kadish is now a port settlement in the forest of winterglen. When wizards slew the elders of winterglen the wood elves of that forest gradually moved on and the settlement of kadish faded into nothing.

Why has it not been mentioned before though. Winterglen is not very well explored (being a wild and dangerous forest). The sea of Moonshaes I imagine to be filled with mist for much of the morning and evening and much of the year (adds to the Celtic feel having a lot of mist). The port could be upriver and so not directly on the coast, so it is hidden by the forest.

Just my thoughts for today.

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Decided to link a few of the floating island rumours of the Moonshae Isles to the Leviathan of the Elder Evils book.

So the Elder Evils depicts a very large tower atop a sunken island somewhere between Waterdeep and the Korinn Archipelago. This island/tower is actually a single spine upon the back of the Leviathan (which is a sea serpent 100 miles long).

At the moment only the tip of the spine is visible and has been hollowed out to form a temple.

The Elder Evils however talks about Leviathan moving in its sleep so i figure why couldnt the island move. I discovered a legend of the Lost Treasure Island of Nine Wizards - a rumour perhaps created by Arveiaturace so she can prey upon treasure seeker - but it supposedly appears and disappears at random.
Then there is the island of Viledal which was lost for a long time. Why couldnt it be lost because it sunk beneath the waves. At the end of the Treasure Hunt adventure the island vanishes again.

So a single island with a thousand ft tower keeps appearing and disappearing around the Korinn Archipelago and has been used for various purposes over the ages. Makes a good treasure location (hiding the treasures of Viledal and others who made it their home), but also a way to begin an end of the world scenario as suggested in Elder Evils.



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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 03 Apr 2019 :  08:59:30  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Noticed I put my founding of vlan far too late. The quote from taragarth the blood brand says aeroth was greybearded when he left silverymoon in 933 DR and headed to waterdeep and then the Moonshaes.
I figure that makes aeroth approaching 50 when he leaves which is nearly end of life for a human.

So revised timeline is aeroth arrives in callidyrr in 935 DR as a courtier. He doesn't found vlan until 947 DR using surviving soldiers from High King Tanners I'll fated army that fought the firbolg in Gwynneth.
I figure these soldiers are made scapegoats for the downfall of the high kingdom and are essentially homeless. In 947 DR the king of gnarhelm dies so aeroth takes advantage of the succession crisis and invades the western half of gnarhelm.


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Posted - 03 Apr 2019 :  21:01:29  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Castle Darkhorn.

I originally thought about tying darkhorn to the conflict between llewyrr and ffolk at the dawn of ffolk settlement of the Moonshae.

However, rereading the Halls of the High King i'm not so sure. The castle is a ruin, but a stone ruin and after a thousand years some of it still remains usable for cultists to exploit as a base.

After a thousand years there are no norman ruins in England usable for anything more than sitting on a very small pile of rocks.

Also it seems to me that stone castles and technology arrived with the tethyrians in 467 DR. Prior to that the ffolk were tribal and clannish and big stone castles doesnt seem in keeping with that theme.


Also in the cellars and tomb of darkhorn castle are a number of unusual things. The first is a Blast Sceptre which is a netherese invention, and the creature buried with it has full knowledge of how to use it. Second is an item called a torc of power which seems to react badly to extraplanar creatures.

So i'm wondering if perhaps Darkhorn castle and his shortlived kingdom did not arise much later and was perhaps not ruled by a ffolk king at all (but a netherese descendent).

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Posted - 06 Apr 2019 :  09:11:58  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Worked on my crown of the high king, also known as crown of the isles.

Made by sea elves of nindrol and gifted to cymrych hugh on his coronation.

Lost with high king Dolan in a storm in 852 DR, secretly stolen by sahuagin.

Sahuagin Prince leading a raid was slain by Angus macodrum who took the crown from the sea devils body. Reprisal raids by sahuagin continued for many decades against callidyrr.
Angus and the macodrums flee. Angus heads to toaridge and encounters elves of nindrol, is invited to stay.
Angus overstate welcome by siring 12 children on various women, including a princess.
Angus exiled and crown is cursed so only the blood of cymrych hugh can wear it.
Angus heads to Moray and sells the crown to a calishite merchant then uses money to buy most of the land around Cantrev horstall in Gwynneth.

Calishite galleon is captured by pirates operating out of ruathym. The raiders try on the crown and are cursed beconomy a ghost ship.

That ties together bits from the realms bestiary about Angus macodrum and a ghost ship plothook.

The crown allows the wearer to survive underwater indefinitely and speak sea elven language

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Posted - 08 Apr 2019 :  22:10:24  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Added in some more dates for synnoria and defined more how it progressed from a monarchy to a theocracy.

Basically kaminas was king and his daughter herene was in love with deric. They were forbidden from marrying and synnoria was sealed with magic to keep them apart.
Deric dies and centuries later herene is forced to marry Ridinlahr who then becomes a Lord and consort of herene (like Prince Albert is consort of queen elizabeth).
Herene dies of a broken heart, childless. Kaminas goes to evermeet and Ridinlahr is left as Lord of synnoria.
He falls in love with belshareen and makes the harp for her. She dies and he then leaves for evermeet as well (I like the irony of repeating fates).

This synnoria is left without an heir and so the high priest of the temple becomes ruler.


I used Eric's advice for utilising existing characters. Ridinlahr was a Lord of the llewyrr, so the question was how did he get to be one. Then synnoria becomes a theocracy of sorts and so how did the royal line die out. We know kaminas had a daughter and the druidhome novels say that herene died childless so I made Ridinlahr a consort and thus rule could pass to him on herenes death and his fate is already sealed.

Hopefully ties up a few loose ends

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