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Markustay
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 Posted - 05 Nov 2014 : 17:58:51
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Great Catch, xaeyruudh!
I never noticed that! |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Nov 2014 : 18:02:39
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Jeremy's fault, for inspiring me to go indexing my Cormyr sources.  |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Nov 2014 : 19:11:16
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Also the Warrior's Crypt is mentioned on p 10 of the same book (Cormyr, #9410). Here its location is unknown and it's apparently referring to a singular warrior. p 296 of the 3e FRCS lists a Warriors' Crypt as being controlled by the Zhentarim. I suspect they're meant to be the same place, but I don't remember seeing it/them on a map.
Edit: In the Stonelands, so not technically Cormyr, but they tried to patrol it as if it was theirs.  |
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Markustay
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Posted - 05 Nov 2014 : 19:50:48
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Its mentioned a few times, in a few places, and the references are odd, at best (sometimes its 'pro' Cormyr, sometimes not). Plus, at least a few of them were 'plundered' in the Cormyr series.
The way I reasoned that all out - there are MANY. In times long past this was a more common thing to do, and I have a feeling it was started by the Elves (because the first of them seem to contain elves - or at least one elf). Perhaps it was the elves teaching some magic-users of early Cormyr (or just Amadehast{sp?}) how to 'contain threats' and possibly save them for future defense (sounds like a convoluted plan elves would come up with). They've done similar things, in regards to their cities, fellow elves, the demonfey, etc.
So basically, in Cormyr's early years, when some 'threat to the Realm' arose, they would take that person (willing or unwilling) and lock them away in one of these 'stasis chambers', to be woken-up at some future time of need. I theorize there were probably a LOT more unwilling then willing, but I think the bottom line is that they all loved Cormyr, in their own way (even if it was a greedy love). Thus, you wait until Cormyr itself is threatened to its core, and the reawaken these 'greatest threats' as assets, because however they personally feel, they would defend Cormyr from outsiders.
They (the war Wizards) probably had some sort of ranking for them as well, with a '1st line of defense' - those that allowed themselves to be locked-away voluntarily (perhaps some of Cormyr's greatest warriors, who no longer had wars to fight in their own time). Then came the 'powerful but still loyal to Cormyr' (if not the crown), and would defend their homeland, even if it was self-serving (like would-be usurpers). Lastly, the 3rd grouping would be the 'doomsday weapon' - that last group of people WAY to powerful and/or crazy to trust, but if Cormyr had almost fallen, then they could at least be used as a type of vengeance (if we can't have it, NO ONE CAN!)
And thats how I personally reasoned it all out. The last group are the ones that became the ghazneth (and others - 'those who sleep' - their tombs were mentioned as destroyed, so they could have been members of either or both other groups). I also like to think that at least some - if not all - the '1st line' are still around, hidden somewhere, and that it was the '2nd-stringers' who were destroyed by the ghazneths. Ed said there were still some 'sleepers' left.
Like I said, thats my home-brewing for the inconsistencies. Just throwing it out there. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 05 Nov 2014 : 23:44:14
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In one of Ed's replies to my questions he confirmed that Cormyr's stasis activities are not confined to just the Warriors Crypt.
I will get to adding the places you've all listed soon. Thanks to everyone for your contributions. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 03:00:11
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One of the biggest crimes in Realms fiction of all time was Troy Denning destroying the Sleeping Sword in the space of two hasty paragraphs.
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 09:59:33
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| The Laughing Head from Dungeon #88. Supposedly a notorious landmark locally. Twenty eight miles north of Arabel, in a thicket of trees not far west of the Moonsea Ride in the foothills of the Stormhorns. |
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 10:15:47
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Winterhaven from the Keep on the Shadowfell FR conversion. On the East Way deep in the Thunder Peaks, precariously close to the border with Sembia.
Similarly, Keegan's Keep from the same document which is about a mile NNE of Winterhaven. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 15:08:22
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They REALLY need to stop shoe-horning EVERYTHING into that tiny little spot! 
The problem with writers is that they just look at the map and think, "Hey! This here is a great spot to plunk-down some stuff! Right on the border of two powerful, contentious nations in the center of everything!"
Problem is... they think all the other writers aren't as clever as them.... and they are. They think alike. |
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Gary Dallison
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 16:07:19
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There's also the fortress of Blister from Dingeon #88.
So much to do, so little time. ;) |
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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 16:26:48
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
There's also the fortress of Blister from Dingeon #88.
So much to do, so little time. ;)
Blister has appeared on two maps. One of the ones in Dungeon #88 itself and in Dale Henson's Netheril set. |
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Gary Dallison
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 : 19:25:02
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Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Blister has appeared on two maps. One of the ones in Dungeon #88 itself and in Dale Henson's Netheril set.
Good catch on the Netheril set. I'd always assumed Blister was a creation for Dungeon #88.
Though that adventure details Blister in detail I'm still going to include it here because the Netheril set is not something everyone has, nor the adventure, and I want point people to obscure Cormyr lore like this, so that what happened with dazzler just now happens with others as well. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 07 Nov 2014 : 12:51:45
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Whats the Sleeping Sword when its at home, any relation to the Lords who Sleep or the Storm Heralds.
The Sleeping Sword was the Lords who Sleep.
The reference to Storm Heralds is actually a typo and should be Sword Heralds as noted in VGtC.
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Nov 2014 : 13:11:23
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Although splitting them up using that typo - like how I did in my explanation above - could be a good way to fix things. Have several groups of varying ability and usefulness (depending on the situation). The 'Storm heralds' could just be one particular group, probably located in the Stormhorns.
And also NO-ONE (except maybe the royal wizard) would know about all of them. So not only would they be a 'state secret', but no-one would now the whole truth of them. Thus, even if someone (like a Ghazneth) were to find and destroy them... they would think that was the end of it, even though it wasn't.
In fact, some of them could possibly even be kings. Its against Cormyrian lore to resurrect a king (I think) to still be king, but what if certain ones could be brought back as sleeping swords? That way the lineages wouldn't get disrupted, because officially they would still be 'dead'. Wheels-within-wheels and 'state secrets' is what Cormyr is all about.
And yes... thats me desperately wanting to see Azoun one last time.
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Nov 2014 : 14:20:03
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The were described as BOTH, depending on what you read, which is actually good, because it leaves a LOT of elbow-room for fixing certain things. Obviously, no-one knew 'the whole truth' of things.
See the Stonelands booklet* of Elminster's Ecologies - I think in just that one source it describes them both ways (and contradicts itself).
Given what the Ghazneths were, and that that same series then off-handed mentioned 'the other ones' as being destroyed means we have canon right there of two entirely separate groups that were placed in stasis.
And this really belonged in the other thread, NOT here.
*Speaking of which, there is an 'abandoned keep' mentioned in the introduction to that source, that I placed on my Stonelands map - a map that was later used as a reference by Brian James for the official (4e) Cormyr one (which does indeed include that keep on the edge of the High Moors in the Stonelands).  |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 16 Nov 2014 : 20:11:17
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11/2/2014: Margrath's Rest
11/5/2014: Castle Stone, Thundarlun, Tethgard, Havenmere
11/16/2014: Stag Well |
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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 16 Nov 2014 20:22:04 |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 11 Dec 2014 : 07:20:06
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Originally posted by Eilserus
The Lost Palace of Esparin? The Knights of Myth Drannor found their way into it in Ed's novel The Sword Never Sleeps.
By any chance do you have a page reference? All of my books are packed away at the moment. |
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 11 Dec 2014 : 15:08:32
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I don't have The Sword Never Sleeps, but the FR Wiki suggests pages 132 and 175 for mentions of the palace. Perhaps someone with the novel at hand could confirm.
There's also this post from Ed, which mentions the palace. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 12 Dec 2014 : 07:09:29
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Thank you sir!
I added the lost palace, but only with the link you provided. I'll wait on adding in the reference to "The Sword Never Sleeps" until I know for sure the page(s) is correct. |
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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 12 Dec 2014 07:11:32 |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 12 Dec 2014 : 07:11:56
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Added in December:
12/11/2014: The Lost Palace of Esparin
12/14/2014: Edits. Gyrlondposts, Heldul's Rest.
12/16/2014: Stonewatch.
12/17/2014: Castle Irlingstar. Also, I revised the opening post to better describe what I'm after for this scroll. |
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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 17 Dec 2014 09:21:30 |
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Cormyr: Places Not On The Map
