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Brimstone
Great Reader
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 03:44:51
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Picked up the book today from the FLGS this afternoon.
The book is set up to support multiple era's of play. So if you play before the Lady Penitant novels, the E and V and the rest of the Drow pantheon are still alive.
I find Lolth's Demon Weave interesting.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 05:04:21
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| You tease! Spill already! |
Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver). |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 10:46:36
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Originally posted by Brimstone
[...]So if you play before the Lady Penitant novels, the E and V and the rest of the Drow pantheon are still alive. [...]
In my country they say something that translates along the lines of ''they discovered the warm water''. It is obvious that if you play before 1375 DR Eilistraee and Vhaeraun will be still in canon, as it is obvious that you can have them in your Realms in any era you play, no matter what canon says. Fact is that in the canonical (not in mine, or in many others') Realms their story concluded in such a wasteful way, and this is a shame because they and what they stand for can add much to the setting (not to mention that they're widely popular). Whatever... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 16 Aug 2012 11:28:30 |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
452 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 10:57:17
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| please tell what is the Daemonweave? |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 11:16:47
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| It's Lolth trying to become the new Mystra (by crafting her own Weave). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 13:44:04
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Originally posted by Irennan
It's Lolth trying to become the new Mystra (by crafting her own Weave).
Pretty much, and some of her priestess are none to pleased. Equality with mages! Heresy!
Pure CHAOS!
Shar had the Shadow Weave, Lolth seeks to create her own Demon Weave. She is a spider, and some spiders weave webs. She is having mages seek out magic items to absorb so she can gain the energy to create her Demon Weave.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 13:49:38
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If you want to run a game during the founding of Menzo, it gives you enough lore to run it. DM has alot of freedom to create and add all that they want.
There is really no crunch in this book. It is edition neutral. It gives the DM rules on how to create a bare bones Drow House. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 17:01:09
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| I thought the book wasn't out until the 21st! Lucky dog! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 19:39:11
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I thought the book wasn't out until the 21st! Lucky dog!
I went to one of the "Premium Stores" that get stuff a week early. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 07:13:13
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@Irennan: "Ended" is such a strong word. I'd reserve judgment.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 08:02:16
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| ^As they say: ''hope dies last''... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 00:23:39
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Erik, do you know something we don't? Spill1!! And I'm dying to know if there is info on the siblings in this book.
unfortunately the content with Elistraee and Vhaerun didn't make the final cut. The best way you can voice your support for the siblings would be to contact Wizards directly. who knows, if enough people show interest there a possibility that it could be released online sometime in the future. |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
Follow me on Twitter @brianrjames |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 00:36:34
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Erik, do you know something we don't? Spill1!! And I'm dying to know if there is info on the siblings in this book.
unfortunately the content with Elistraee and Vhaerun didn't make the final cut. The best way you can voice your support for the siblings would be to contact Wizards directly. who knows, if enough people show interest there a possibility that it could be released online sometime in the future.
How to contact them? Would a simple request to the customer service suffice, or is something else required?
Btw (if you are allowed to explain that), why did they cut the content related to them? As I said, they're widely popular and valid characters that can add much to the FR. With 5e coming and all the stuff I really can't see any real reason behind that...
EDIT: I've contacted the customer service, and waiting their response. Hopefully they'll consider putting the content about Eilistraee and Vhaeraun online in a DDI article, or something...
EDIT2: The response I received was that my letter will be passed along to the competent team. Now I can only keep my fingers crossed... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 02:32:04
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| You know the loremasters have got to stretch whatever limits are imposed upon them by cramming rough drafts/manuscripts chock full of tidbits of info, only to have to wait and see what the editors and managers will hold onto and keep for the final copy. Page count limits are rough! |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 02:43:01
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| I was wondering whether it was a matter of page count, or design choice. If it was the former, then there would be a non neglectable chance for the material to be published as -say- a DDI article. If it was the latter, then ''what a waste'' would be the only thing to say IMO. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 04:12:52
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Erik, do you know something we don't? Spill1!! And I'm dying to know if there is info on the siblings in this book.
unfortunately the content with Elistraee and Vhaerun didn't make the final cut. The best way you can voice your support for the siblings would be to contact Wizards directly. who knows, if enough people show interest there a possibility that it could be released online sometime in the future.
So Brian all that I am gonna ask is, was it good stuff? |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 08:26:18
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Erik, do you know something we don't? Spill1!! And I'm dying to know if there is info on the siblings in this book.
unfortunately the content with Elistraee and Vhaerun didn't make the final cut. The best way you can voice your support for the siblings would be to contact Wizards directly. who knows, if enough people show interest there a possibility that it could be released online sometime in the future.
So Brian all that I am gonna ask is, was it good stuff?
As far as I can tell, they were going to be brought back as archfeys. I'm not sure about how it'd have happened, but I'm willing to bet that what the ML (E. merged with V.) sacrificed at the end of the LP isn't her life, but her divine status, making the two siblings become archfeys (as it is the most reasonable route to take to bring the two of them back IMO). |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 18 Aug 2012 10:16:25 |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 17:24:25
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That description is pretty much spot on Irennan. I would love to share the specific details, but Wizards owns the content of my turnover even if it is not published.
I'd also like to thank BEAST for his invaluable feedback while working on the sourcebook. Sadly, the acknowledgement of his contribution did not make it into the credits as I had intended. |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
Follow me on Twitter @brianrjames |
Edited by - Brian R. James on 20 Aug 2012 17:28:50 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 17:40:39
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It is a good solution. It brings back two meaningful, valid (and cool, ofc) characters who were unjustly removed from the published Realms, while not lessening their efforts, and while keeping their influence low enough to let the drow still be a feared threat and true to their roots (even tho I deeply dislike their roots...).
Why they cut this content is beyond me, but I hope that the e-mail I sent them won't be ignored and your work will be released as a DDI article. I want Eilistraee and Vhaeraun back in canon in a bad sort of way, as what they stand for adds much depth and flavor (and possibilities for storytelling...) to the Realms. They and their quest totally deserve a place in the new iteration of the FR, a small one maybe, but their own. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Aug 2012 18:17:11 |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2012 : 21:30:46
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
I'd also like to thank BEAST for his invaluable feedback while working on the sourcebook. Sadly, the acknowledgement of his contribution did not make it into the credits as I had intended.
Well! We'll just have to consider this our own little WE to that effect, then! Thanks for the nod, Brian.
Honestly, I don't know even know how much of my information made the final cut, yet. The main thing for me will be to see how much the official timeline has been adjusted, or clarified. The other stuff was just gravy.
Looking forward to doing it again, if e'er it concerns my corner of the Realms . . . |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Vaeldroth
Acolyte
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 04:35:37
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| It must feel pretty cool to have written the first D&D book for all editions since probably the 1977 Monster Manual. Ever since the AD&D PHB came out, there's been a division in the ranks. Here's hoping it does well! :) |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 04:56:35
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Originally posted by BEAST
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
I'd also like to thank BEAST for his invaluable feedback while working on the sourcebook. Sadly, the acknowledgement of his contribution did not make it into the credits as I had intended.
Well! We'll just have to consider this our own little WE to that effect, then! Thanks for the nod, Brian.
Honestly, I don't know even know how much of my information made the final cut, yet. The main thing for me will be to see how much the official timeline has been adjusted, or clarified. The other stuff was just gravy.
Looking forward to doing it again, if e'er it concerns my corner of the Realms . . .
I'm jealous. I'd love to be able to help on products like this! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 06:51:26
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Originally posted by Eilserus
I'm jealous. I'd love to be able to help on products like this!
'Twas an honor to be asked.
I finally got to see how this NDA stuff works. You know, when applicants to reality TV shows get accepted, they're told to keep it a secret until after they actually get there where the show will be filmed and the program's producers make the announcements. But you're only talking about a month or two, there. It was a year ago when I first started with this, and I had to keep my mouth shut all that time.
But like I said, it remains to be seen how much of my stuff made it in. It's all such a complicated process, and I just made some suggestions from the sidelines. Brain Brian was obviously the heavy-lifter behind this one.
I think it would be really cool if there were some sort of directory of the resident fan-experts of the various parts of the Realms, here at the 'Keep. That would help not only the designers with future projects, but also whenever we fellow scribes wanted to consult with each other. Over time, certain fellows (and ladies) develop a bit of a reputation for their chosen areas of specialization, but that's still fairly imprecise and unreliable. A handy-dandy chart would surely come in handy. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6646 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 08:20:09
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Well, at least you were giving input on a published product. Some of us slave away, creating realmslore for other people's kids' campaign ... @Ericlboyd
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 20:46:25
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| Bleh total fail. Not a single bookstore in Bismarck ND ordered this! Ordered from Amazon so I have to wait until Thursday. Can't wait! |
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Galadhion
Acolyte
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 20:50:37
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Originally posted by Vaeldroth
It must feel pretty cool to have written the first D&D book for all editions since probably the 1977 Monster Manual. Ever since the AD&D PHB came out, there's been a division in the ranks. Here's hoping it does well! :)
It was incredible when we learned they wanted a book the focused completely on story and setting. However, we had to look at everything very carefully. Even alignment is edition dependent.
-Eric Menge, Brian's junior assistant lackey |
Eric Menge
Game Designer / Writer
www.mythmakers.com |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 22:41:07
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Well, at least you were giving input on a published product. Some of us slave away, creating realmslore for other people's kids' campaign ... @Ericlboyd
-- George Krashos
Bwahaha!
Never in a million years did I imagine I'd be comparing consultant battle scars with the Krash.  |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2012 : 04:57:23
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Finally got this baby in the mail today. Really dig the optional rules for house ranking and personal station within a house. I'd love to see the art for this book released on the wizards website. Lots of great stuff in here a DM can plunder for underdark adventures, not just Menzo centric ones. Love the fact that it was a no mechanics, solid book of lore and info! My only regret is that it didn't have another 70 pages of information to push that page count up to 200.
If anyone from wizards reads this, please release the art on the website. It'd be great to have as visual aids for adventures and city writeup stuff. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2012 : 10:12:49
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| Are the house ranking and personal ranking rules any good? What about house creation? I'm hoping to get my review copy in a few weeks... |
SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!
http://zireael07.wordpress.com/ |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2012 : 18:38:52
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Bleh total fail. Not a single bookstore in Bismarck ND ordered this! Ordered from Amazon so I have to wait until Thursday. Can't wait!
Apparently there was a snafu with the game distributors. I did not get mine until thursday. My store was supposed to have it tuesday, but the distributor had troublt getting it together here in the Northeast USA. |
A wizard is Never late Frodo Baggins. Nor is he Early. A wizard arrives precisely when he means to... |
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Menzoberranzan City of Intrigue
