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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  16:53:09  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
The Rise of the Underdark is upon us.

See THIS LINK for a video and information on the event.

Iím curious how this will affect the Realms: will it be the latest RSE or just one of those regional things that happened?

Glad to see the Realms getting some more attention.

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Artemas Entreri
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Im sure it will cause massive chaos in regional locales, but personally i think the drow are too chaotic and untrustworthy to form any kind of widescale longterm campaign against the surface dwellers.

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Eilserus
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  17:29:00  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It will be interesting to see what this will be about. Maybe the drow are ready to reignite the Crown Wars? Or finally get on with the Second Directive of Lolth and wipe out the surface elves? I'd guess it has something to do with Lolth attempting to become the new Mystra. I read somewhere shes gonna send her minions to collect old artifacts, the bones of long dead archmages for some sort of grand ritual. Maybe she's going to expend her minions in a chaotic gamble to see this happen? Pretty interesting, I don't seem to recall Wizards putting a video out for much of anything before and really it was kind of cool to watch. I'm fine with the drow swarming to the surface for a few years at their godesses direction, but man it almost made it sound like they are coming up to the surface for good. Restablishment of the Land Under Shadows would be cool, but not sure about permanent resettlement. Guess we'll have to wait and see!
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quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

I'd guess it has something to do with Lolth attempting to become the new Mystra.


Likely. When I first heard of it, I didn't like it at all. How many deities must quarrel to possess the Weave and kill Mystra?! But in time, I begin to see how Lloth trying something which Shar failed to do can be...interesting...

I hope this 'Rise' is not just another 'drow vs surface elves' thing, but 'drow vs all races.'

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Lirdolin
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  18:56:19  Show Profile  Visit Lirdolin's Homepage Send Lirdolin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

The Rise of the Underdark is upon us.
(...)
Iím curious how this will affect the Realms: will it be the latest RSE or just one of those regional things that happened?



Considering the burn marks on the map in the video and the products we know of, I would say we can a least expect attacks on the Dalelands (Twisted Tower in Shadowdale)
Raven's Bluff (Jack Ravenwild novel)
AkanŻl (Spinner of Lies/The Deamon Weave)
Thesk (Skein of Shadows?)
That would make it a pretty large scale attack.
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Therise
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  20:01:45  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You know, if they do tie this in (or lead it) with Lolth's attempt to gather ancient Mystran artifacts and try to claim the mantle of the Weave, it could either be really cheesy or really fun. It'd be cheesy if they have gods in novels acting like mono-vision NPCs. It would be cool if the drow collectively rise against all nations in a huge bloodbath, while simultaneously their mages (like Gromph and Q'arlynd) lead bloody expeditions on the surface to grab all the magic epic doodads.

Heck, I would be SOLD hook line and sinker if they managed to get Elaine Cunningham to tie in a story about archmage Liriel Baenre showing up at a critical moment to fight Gromph or Q'arlynd. This could be an amazing opportunity for a novel by Lisa Smedman.

Hmmm... ! Who better than the ancient weaver to reclaim the Weave? Plus, any way to slap Shar into next week would get my approval. Shar needs to be taken down like 5 notches.


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Edited by - Therise on 06 Apr 2012 20:03:30
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Aulduron
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Q'arlynd is no spider kisser. He was on the other side of the sava board. I'd like to think that if Gromph went along with it it would only be to get artifacts for himself.

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If its still free to paly than maybe I'll look into it.

waht detests me though is how you get the druid class.

insulted.

druid should be with purchase and not as a bonus to preorder

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Hoondatha
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  22:34:52  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, uhh, what's that supposed to be? A computer game? An expansion, when they said they weren't doing those anymore? Something else? As an ad, that fails miserably.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Therise
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  22:38:41  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aulduron

Q'arlynd is no spider kisser. He was on the other side of the sava board. I'd like to think that if Gromph went along with it it would only be to get artifacts for himself.



Q'arlynd is a survivor and ensconced as a city archmage. Neither he nor Gromph pay any true fealty to Lolth, but they are invested in drow culture and the power structure. Even if they'd try to block Lolth's absorption of Mystra's portfolio, they still must act as big players in the game.

And who knows, it may behoove them to aid Lolth... depending on the circumstances. Whatever the case, this RSE feels Realmsy.


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Therise
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

So, uhh, what's that supposed to be? A computer game? An expansion, when they said they weren't doing those anymore? Something else? As an ad, that fails miserably.



Novels upcoming, this is their shared theme.

They may tie it in to D&D online aswell, but this is a series of novels for sure. You can read the preview blurbs on Amazon.


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Thieran
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  22:42:45  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

So, uhh, what's that supposed to be? A computer game? An expansion, when they said they weren't doing those anymore? Something else? As an ad, that fails miserably.



I don't think marketing people would necessarily agree with you - raising people's curiosity in such a way is not an uncommon strategy these days.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  22:55:17  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm, could be interesting. Color me intrigued!! (And that's black like a drow, in case some of you hadn't guessed....) So this is a game, or a novel, or what?

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Thieran
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Posted - 06 Apr 2012 :  23:03:39  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's a multiplatform narrative thing (I think).

Edit: Here is some more info and explanation: http://gamemasters.com/?p=243

Edited by - Thieran on 07 Apr 2012 00:45:59
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George Krashos
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 :  00:51:24  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Colour me bored. Just how many drow-centred novel series does the Realms have to endure? Talk about only having one well on the creative property.

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Eilserus
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 :  01:28:23  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thieran

It's a multiplatform narrative thing (I think).

Edit: Here is some more info and explanation: http://gamemasters.com/?p=243



Quite the slew of stuff we have coming. The new tidbit about Salvatore's new novel has me interested for sure.

Makes me wonder if Ed is going to write about a reborn Mystra kicking the everliving crap out of Lolth.

I'd die to see some new Volo's guides or some heavy hitting stuff on ancient and current dwarven realms, but if this massively publicized drow arc brings in the cash, which supposedly anything with the word drow does, maybe that will fund us seeing lots of new sourcebooks and sweet lore for 5E and beyond.

Ed has stated he's pretty happy with the way the Realms is going, so it can't be all that bad right?
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 :  01:35:11  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt...

When you got only one author who has really gone 'mainstream', you got to back your one-trick pony.

However, it does seem kinda cool - I think the video sold me on it (I've been saying all along cartoons are a MUST!) Didn't really like Lolth's voice-over - sounded a bit too matronly, but whatever. Also not looking forward to yet another RSE - seems no one is really listening at all. It almost feels like their 'to do' list is everything folks keep complaining about. But like I said, the video got me intrigued, so I will keep my eye on this.

Interesting that the 'fire' erupted on the map in Cormyr and spread to the Dalelands. Cormyr, The Dales, Drow... I guess when you already have a plethora of material on a subject, it makes your job somewhat easier. Just thank god it wasn't fish-like, ate brains, or had tentacles - I'll take drow over that Alternity crap any day. At least Ed helped shaped D&Ds Drow.

Apparently, they have decided FR's 'theme' is Drow.

I am wondering, though, what kind of RSE they could do that wouldn't piss people off? I can't really think of anything that hasn't been over-used, or "doesn't feel like the Realms'. Not taking their side or anything, but if you think about it, they are "damned if they do, and damned if they don't" - not a position anyone wants to be in.


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Edited by - Markustay on 07 Apr 2012 01:35:39
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Colour me bored. Just how many drow-centred novel series does the Realms have to endure? Talk about only having one well on the creative property.

-- George Krashos


Indeed.

Remember 2002's "Year of the Drow?" Well, it really seems more like a decade, with 2012 ramping things up in terms of all-things-dark-and-evil-elven.

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Eilserus
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 :  01:54:09  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt, Drizzt...

When you got only one author who has really gone 'mainstream', you got to back your one-trick pony.

However, it does seem kinda cool - I think the video sold me on it (I've been saying all along cartoons are a MUST!) Didn't really like Lolth's voice-over - sounded a bit too matronly, but whatever. Also not looking forward to yet another RSE - seems no one is really listening at all. It almost feels like their 'to do' list is everything folks keep complaining about. But like I said, the video got me intrigued, so I will keep my eye on this.

Interesting that the 'fire' erupted on the map in Cormyr and spread to the Dalelands. Cormyr, The Dales, Drow... I guess when you already have a plethora of material on a subject, it makes your job somewhat easier. Just thank god it wasn't fish-like, ate brains, or had tentacles - I'll take drow over that Alternity crap any day. At least Ed helped shaped D&Ds Drow.

Apparently, they have decided FR's 'theme' is Drow.

I am wondering, though, what kind of RSE they could do that wouldn't piss people off? I can't really think of anything that hasn't been over-used, or "doesn't feel like the Realms'. Not taking their side or anything, but if you think about it, they are "damned if they do, and damned if they don't" - not a position anyone wants to be in.





I'm leery of a big RSE also. But as long as they're not killing gods or blowing up entire nations I'd be pretty OK with a few cities burned down or some sort of freak incursion. The video makes it sound like they're coming up permanently. Where would they go?

There's no way they are gonna let Lolth be the new goddess of magic, so I'd imagine after some chaos and carnage they'll be put right back into their holes.
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I'll puke if the Drow take over.

I love the Drow; but this mania is too much. They are an AWESOME underdark evil...but on the surface?

Isolated groups I can take...but seriously?

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Ayrik
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Drow-mania is just part of D&D these days my friend, this ain't Second Edition anymore, and authors like RAS are always on the forefront of another drow trilogy. This looks like a teaser for a video game platform of some kind, some of the CGI is definitely only realtime game-engine quality.

[Edit]

I notice that drow are sort of a charcoal grey-brown again instead of a cerulean-indigo blue/purple ... fashions seem to come and go along with artist turnover.

Maybe drow skin tone changes when they move to the surface, a change from faerzress radiations to solar/lunar radiations (the same change which cause drowcrafted items to rapidly decay) might affect drow skin pigments much like exposure to sunlight eventually causes pale humans to darken. I happen to like the smurf-blue drow appearance a bit more, they're easier to shoot at in twilight.

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Edited by - Ayrik on 07 Apr 2012 04:27:47
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Markustay
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But its NOT a godswar, or planer re-structuring, or some mega-mcguffin belching-out meteors, or a 1000 foot tall tentacled horror, etc, etc...

According to all previous (FR) Drow lore, one of Lolth's tenets was for the eventual return of the drow to the surface. This not only violates no canon, nor causes bizarre abnormalities to the physics of the setting, but it is something that is long overdo, actually. As much as I dislike this need to do these over-arching cross-over type storylines, you have to wonder just what the hell took Lolth so long to kick the filthy procrastinators in their ebony arses.

This one isn't nearly as bad as most, or what 'might have been' {shudder}, so maybe we should at least try to see the potential in it before we start lambasting it? They want to go all 'World of Darkness' on us, fine... I just think it could have been a LOT worse.

Wonder what year it takes place in.

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Edited by - Markustay on 07 Apr 2012 04:13:58
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Eilserus
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I think it'd be cool if we saw a reclamation of the Lands Under Shadow by the drow. Myth Drannor VS The Twisted Tower could make for a fun campaign arc. At any rate we should see, hopefully, some new cities and detailed lore. And while Wizards is all about this, rise up and reclaim past heritage business, let's see them work in the reclamation of Tethyamar by the Iron House!
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I personally feel an invasion swarming out of the Underdark could be exciting (and terrifyingly successful) if it's illithids, or beholders, darkspawn, dragons, even Githyanki. Everyone's used to drow, they come to the same neighbourly barbecues as the orcs. I shall not rant further ... but really, aren't there other things in the Realms which are languishing for lore while drow get assigned teams of full-time writers?

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Hey, don't feel bad. We can always hope that 5e comes along and wipes it all out.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Markustay
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How do you know this isn't the lead-up to 5e?

You really don't believe they only started designing for it when they announced it to US, do you? For all we know, they finished 5e three days before 4e was released.

But seriously, lets put aside our grognard hats for a moment: The drow return to the surface, and it looks like it's focused around the eastern heartlands FOR A CHANGE (I am so SICK of Menzoberranzan*). this not only (partially?) un-do's the 'return of the Elves' in Cormanthor (something I felt nerfed quite a bit of adventuring possibilities), but it also brings a VERY big and EVIL threat up alongside the Shades, who would have almost no interest in allying with 'filthy humans' (if they do it right - if they ally, they lost me completely).

That returns a bit of the balance to the setting - in Ed's original, the 'evil factions' did more to curtail each other (Zhents vs Red Wizards, for example) then the 'forces for good' did (and often, the Harpers and others cleverly pushed these factions into warring on each other). Without some other 'big bad' to compete with, the Shades should have steam-rolled right over everyone years ago (after the Spellplague, which doesn't seem to have hurt them in the least).

There is a ton of potential in this, but at the same time, they can really screw it up (I hope people who truly understand the underpinnings of the Realms are steering this storyline). I think I know what they are hoping to achieve, and its smart business, if they manage to pull it off (it will take finesse, NOT a sledgehammer).

I don't think I'll have the Realms I grew to love back - thats become painfully obvious - but maybe the new setting can offer something in its own right. Different does NOT = bad, BAD = bad. We have just gotten so used to the two being one-and-the-same lately we've forgotten the difference.


*Just the fact I can type that name correctly without having to look it up shows how over-used that locale is - I can't even spell Netherese right, half the time.

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Edited by - Markustay on 09 Apr 2012 18:37:09
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