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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  01:50:52  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That was Alisttair, Sage. I was kinda looking forward to it because I wanted to read spoilers---I wanted to know if I'd really want to buy the book or not, as I was mildly intrigued by Tam and Shade's little involvement.

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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  01:58:29  Show Profile  Visit Lady Fellshot's Homepage Send Lady Fellshot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Warning: Shameless self promotion to follow!

Dennis, I did a chapter by chapter log of both The Ghost King and Gauntlgrym on my blog, if you're interested. They are spoiler-tastic.

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  02:09:52  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am. Just sent you a PM.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  03:43:19  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would be interested in this as well.

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  05:26:14  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
She seems to be busy atm.

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  05:32:06  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Btw, Alystra , I already bough The Pirate King. It's on top of my To-Read list now. So when I'm done writing certain articles and rereading Unclean and Wrath of a Mad God, I'll devour it. As this is the very first Drizzt novel I'm going to read, I'll no doubt have a lot of questions about him and other characters important to the story. Hopefully, you and some other RAS readers will be around by then. Your 'charm person' seems to have finally worked on me.

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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  06:30:57  Show Profile  Visit Lady Fellshot's Homepage Send Lady Fellshot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, I picked a bad time to go hunting for food.

Sent specific entry links to both of you, although there's a link to the main blog in my sig.

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  06:40:37  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Lady Fellshot!

quote:
Originally posted by Lady Fellshot

...although there's a link to the main blog in my sig.



Oh, I failed to notice it.

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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  06:53:34  Show Profile  Visit Lady Fellshot's Homepage Send Lady Fellshot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's okay. I generally don't call attention to it.

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  16:28:57  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I usually overlook that as I didn't put mine on my profile.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  16:58:54  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

That was Alisttair, Sage. I was kinda looking forward to it because I wanted to read spoilers---I wanted to know if I'd really want to buy the book or not, as I was mildly intrigued by Tam and Shade's little involvement.



Yes t'was I. Had I known it would go on Sage's Vortex To Do list thingy, I would have bumped the thread

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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  18:10:03  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or maybe asked Big Al.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

That was Alisttair, Sage. I was kinda looking forward to it because I wanted to read spoilers---I wanted to know if I'd really want to buy the book or not, as I was mildly intrigued by Tam and Shade's little involvement.



Yes t'was I. Had I known it would go on Sage's Vortex To Do list thingy, I would have bumped the thread

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 :  01:50:17  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Btw, Alystra , I already bough The Pirate King. It's on top of my To-Read list now. So when I'm done writing certain articles and rereading Unclean and Wrath of a Mad God, I'll devour it. As this is the very first Drizzt novel I'm going to read, I'll no doubt have a lot of questions about him and other characters important to the story. Hopefully, you and some other RAS readers will be around by then. Your 'charm person' seems to have finally worked on me.



*rubs hands together and grins evilly* Mwahahaha! My nefarious plan is working.... Er, I mean, enjoy the book, dennis! (And if you'd like a "less emo" drow, I have a tale or two in the second link in my siggy- they are under the headings of "Duckie's Fantasy Stuff", and "Darksong: Mature Fantasy", respectively. The Fantasy Stuff one has two tales, though the first one has nary a drow in sight and is unrelated to the other two- the second story therein is actually the "sequel" to the one in Darksong.)

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491

"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs

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BEAST
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 :  05:25:51  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

I thought someone shared the Chapters and such for Gauntylgrym with Sage.......he must have laid it on his to do vortex!

Just to be sure, I just sent the chapterization of Gauntlgrym to Sage, myself.

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)

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Drizztsmanchild
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 :  08:11:21  Show Profile  Visit Drizztsmanchild's Homepage  Send Drizztsmanchild a Yahoo! Message Send Drizztsmanchild a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dennis: Just a thought....If I were you as a fan of Thay And Shade reading(I assume from a previous post) I probably wouldn't want Drizzt in that area...at least until his plot armor is considerably lower;-).
There are 5 books remaining under RAS current contract. More than enough for Drizzt to take Ao's place...kidding;-)

Edited by - Drizztsmanchild on 23 Jan 2011 08:12:28
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 :  08:51:08  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I appreciate the advice, Drizztsmanchild. Only, sometimes, I can endure seeing not so interesting characters as long as my favorites are around and are given equal or more 'screen time.' I recall, I used to dislike Cale when I read the Erevis Cale trilogy. And I told myself never to read any other novels or short stories where he's featured. But suddenly came the Twilight War trilogy. How on earth could I resist that, given my interest in all things Netherese? So, even if I'm not interested in Drizzt (though, I don't dislike him, either----just indifferent), if he happens to be in Thay, in Shade or somewhere else fighting or allying with the Red Wizards and the Shadovar, I will read the book.

I'm not sure about Gauntlgrym, though, because as some noted, the involvement of Thay and Shade is so little, close to none.

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Drizztsmanchild
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 :  09:37:59  Show Profile  Visit Drizztsmanchild's Homepage  Send Drizztsmanchild a Yahoo! Message Send Drizztsmanchild a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dennis: it is true Drizzt involvement in Shade affairs in the last book is merely regulated to fighting them. But since you're a devoted fan of the Shade and Thay rather than a casual one...I believe you will like the book...even with the small amount of Shadyness and Thayocracy that it entails....the next one in the series will probably entice you more. Its good to have a little backstory...even if its from the cliffnotes...errm I mean the book club thread.;-)
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 :  10:47:47  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At the moment, only time can tell...

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Arcanus
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Posted - 01 Feb 2011 :  00:01:35  Show Profile  Visit Arcanus's Homepage Send Arcanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll never forgive him for side lining wulfgar.
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Ayrik
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Canada
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Posted - 02 Feb 2011 :  11:37:58  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still consider "Bruenor" one of the finest dwarven names I've ever encountered. Though the namesake character never quite managed to shake off his heavy classic '80s-style "cantankerous hardened blacksmith/fighter dwarf" stereotyping; the Bouldershoulder brothers managed to fare much better. At least Bruenor wasn't an interchangeable axe-swinging Gimli clone, like too many others.

Drizzt is a fantastic character and RAS did an admirable job of evolving a "kewl" 2-page monster entry from the 1E FF into what we know as the drow and the Underdark of the Realms. But Drizzt has sadly become an immortal icon and popular demand has kept him away from achieving a properly heroic retirement/death, so he and his tales have become rather uninteresting to me. I wonder how it would've turned out if RAS had chosen to write about an exiled renegade gith instead.

I'd probably read more RAS if he wrote less about Lolth, drow, spiders, and Underdark, more about anything else. He is a skillful and creative author, I'm just bored with the topics/characters he most often publishes.

[/Ayrik]

Edited by - Ayrik on 02 Feb 2011 11:39:18
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Feb 2011 :  12:28:15  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

You might want to read his non-FR novels. I heard those have quite a number of brawlers, which if I'm right, you're fond of.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 02 Feb 2011 :  13:13:04  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brawlers and blasters used to appeal to me. Not so much after I became more critical about technical writing elements and thus a little jaded by "predetermined" outcomes which milestone a character's progress through his story.

What I look for most in fiction these days is provocative and complex character interactions. The Erevis-Mask alley scene is one FR example I consider quite brilliantly done on several levels. Elaine has also always managed to deliver strongly in this regard, even though her writing tends to involve a little less gritty violent manliness and death-blasting than I'd prefer.

I also look for original and creative themes or concepts. FR fiction is too constrained by deeply entrenched "game rules" and setting elements for my tastes, plus it unavoidably needs to constantly feature the latest-greatest D&D contrivations ... so FR comprises an ever-diminishing segment on my fantasy reading list.

It's important for the story to make sense from the point of view of the characters who live within. Maintain verisimilitude, a sense of "realism". A problem with FR (and all other) fanfic is that a lot of different authors are involved ... which (dramatically) affects the thinking and actions of the characters and their world. Szass Tam might be a ruthless murdering manipulator in one novel, or a clever intellectual negotiator in another, and an unpredictable almost irrational madman in yet another that's a bit weird but still fine, people do change but no "in setting" reason is given to explain the changing emphasis in his personality, no reason exists beyond different authors describing Szass's tale. I'm a details guy and this sort of thing is a bit of an annoyance to me when it involves shifting paradigms for prominent personages, races and cultures, cities, entire nations ... neo-Thay (or more accurately the people who live there) just makes me grind my teeth. Non-fanfic (or at least single-author fanfic) fantasy suffers much less from issues of inexplicable inconsistency. Note that I'm talking about inconsistencies, not RSEs. (I don't find all RSEs agreeable; but my disagreements are rooted in the "game" setting, not in the Realms setting. So I can accept and try to just enjoy the Realms and the stories for what they are when reading the novels, regardless of how noxious an RSE might be.)

RAS is a fine author. He gave me some great stories, I gave him some tiny fraction of the money I paid for his books. Thanx for the good times, RAS. But I don't wanna read any more about Drizzydrow, and the Realms are only one small world in the fantasy genre, and there's plenty of fiction to read outside of fantasy ... so it's time for me to just move RAS aside and clear a path for fresh new authors.

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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Feb 2011 :  06:58:16  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

And that's practically anything and everything under the sun...or inside a bookstore.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 10 Feb 2011 :  21:27:44  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*clears throat* Volunteering.... Kidding. My interest was waning for a while as well, but I'm hoping to rekindle it with this latest book, it that's possible. Unfortunately, Drizzt seems to be the only drow with any staying power in the Realms, not counting Jarlaxle. (Who is, after all, written by the same author, and usually in the same books.) I'd like to see others reach the same kind of popularity without being killed off.

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