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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 10 Feb 2011 :  21:33:54  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The problem is that the business plan is to create new characters instead of developing existing ones. Drizzt and Elminster(and their associated characters) are the exceptions. Everyone else may get a trilogy, or a cameo at a later date.

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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Feb 2011 :  22:50:08  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

The problem is that the business plan is to create new characters instead of developing existing ones. Drizzt and Elminster(and their associated characters) are the exceptions. Everyone else may get a trilogy, or a cameo at a later date.



I would add Aoth to the exceptions. He's got two trilogies and one more coming. He's spellscarred and would live far longer than ordinary mortals.

Anyway, I would love it if RAS writes at least a trilogy featuring Robillard as the main protagonist.

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Tyrant
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Posted - 10 Feb 2011 :  23:07:02  Show Profile  Visit Tyrant's Homepage Send Tyrant a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

The problem is that the business plan is to create new characters instead of developing existing ones. Drizzt and Elminster(and their associated characters) are the exceptions. Everyone else may get a trilogy, or a cameo at a later date.



I would add Aoth to the exceptions. He's got two trilogies and one more coming. He's spellscarred and would live far longer than ordinary mortals.

Anyway, I would love it if RAS writes at least a trilogy featuring Robillard as the main protagonist.


I would read a book (or books) about Robillard. It would be interesting to see how the end of the Pirate King impacted him. And there are one or two liches that he would have it in for after that book. If his emotions got the better of him I could see him going in to wipe out the remaining High Captains in Luskan (if it were shortly after The Pirate King).

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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  05:35:07  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

And the Harpels deserve their own series, too. Or a novel at least. I like how Drizzt described them in The Pirate King.

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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  06:38:55  Show Profile  Visit Lady Fellshot's Homepage Send Lady Fellshot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I loved the vorpal bunny. I thought it clever. XD

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Dennis
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Regis would disagree. He thought it cruel.

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Quick question: In The Pirate King, it was mentioned the Harpels teleported the entire Sea Sprite and her crew. Which novel did it happen?

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Tyrant
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  18:09:06  Show Profile  Visit Tyrant's Homepage Send Tyrant a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


And the Harpels deserve their own series, too. Or a novel at least. I like how Drizzt described them in The Pirate King.


I would be interested to know if the Harpells survived the Spellplague (and the Malarites) and what they are up to. I assume relearning the rules of magic to explore in "new" and "exciting" ways.

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swifty
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  22:58:13  Show Profile  Visit swifty's Homepage Send swifty a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

The problem is that the business plan is to create new characters instead of developing existing ones. Drizzt and Elminster(and their associated characters) are the exceptions. Everyone else may get a trilogy, or a cameo at a later date.

if only video game makers had the same idea. maybe we wouldnt get the same old sequels churned out year after year.

go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS.
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BEAST
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  23:25:27  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Quick question: In The Pirate King, it was mentioned the Harpels teleported the entire Sea Sprite and her crew. Which novel did it happen?

That was in Passage to Dawn. Harkle Harpell does it again!

Good Robillard scenes, too. Don't miss the lighthearted duel between him and Harkle!



quote:
Originally posted by Tyrant

I would be interested to know if the Harpells survived the Spellplague (and the Malarites) and what they are up to. I assume relearning the rules of magic to explore in "new" and "exciting" ways.

(Gauntlgrym spoiler:)
We are told that the family (don't know which individuals) survived and is rebuilding the Ivy Mansion and the town of Longsaddle.
(/spoiler)

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)

<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works">
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BEAST
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 :  23:32:40  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wanted a "like" option in the poll, instead of "love", but I ended up clicking on love because it was the closest choice.

I notice hiccups in the books, and certainly there's a feeling inside me that I long for something else--something more.

But I am a loyal reader, and I enjoy analyzing the hell out of these stories in order to try to understand them better and defend them against overstated, undeserved criticisms.

That is "love", ain't it?

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)

<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works">
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Dennis
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Thanks, Beast. I'll buy that later. Our local bookstores are flooding with Drizzt reprints.

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Tyrant
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 :  22:08:19  Show Profile  Visit Tyrant's Homepage Send Tyrant a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BEAST
quote:
Originally posted by Tyrant

I would be interested to know if the Harpells survived the Spellplague (and the Malarites) and what they are up to. I assume relearning the rules of magic to explore in "new" and "exciting" ways.

(Gauntlgrym spoiler:)
We are told that the family (don't know which individuals) survived and is rebuilding the Ivy Mansion and the town of Longsaddle.
(/spoiler)


I'm about to start reading Gauntlgrym today, but it's nice to know that I don't have a horrible surprise in store on the Harpell front.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
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Azuth
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Posted - 15 Mar 2011 :  05:16:37  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message  Reply with Quote


I think that as Bob has gotten older, his books have taken on the tone of a more accomplished writer. He's always been one of the best authors when it comes to describing battle scenes, and even his early books were fantastic in this account. I like how he carefully transformed Drizzt from worshipping Gwaeron Windstrom to the more canon Mielikki. I had some trouble with how he handled the exit of Wulfgar - it just didn't seem to follow the character's previous journey. I like how he handled Alustriel's appearances...almost (dare I say it?) as good as Ed's writing of her. I know that the two of them converse, so that may have something to do with it. All that being said, I thought the Cleric Quintet and Cadderly in particular was a fantastic endeavor. I found the joining of the two series to be interesting, if a bit sad. I agree with the thread that Robillard would make a great series on his own, and Wulfgar deserves a book on "the missing years" between his departure and death. I suspect that WoTC has been exerting a lot of pressure on him to "conform" to 4E (in other words: we're not writing about that time anymore, so get your books into the year 1479 DR or later!)

On the subject of Cadderly, I found it exquisite in Bob's writings on how Cadderly "found" Deneir, I never really expected the Lord of Glyphs and Images to have a "song" (Milil, yes, Lliira, yes...)but it really made his devotion to Deneir more understandable than any other cleric about whom I've read. Ed's always commented that he wants to concentrate much more on the faiths and less on the deities, and I have to say that Bob did that in the QC...he never even explained what glyphs or images Cadderly found intriguing.

Anyway, I would like to know what has transpired after his last work on Spirit Soaring and Cadderly's task thereafter...especially with the Spellplague.

I'd like to see Ed and Bob write the 5E Realms...maybe resurrect Chronos to put us back to ~1375 DR and undo the Spellplague? That would be a novel I'd buy!


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Dinnin
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 :  06:50:58  Show Profile Send Dinnin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Hmm, I was sort of on the fence about this. I voted that I liked most of his novels, but at the same time, I'd like to see more about some otehr characters. I'd especially like to see a book about the Bouldershoulders, or maybe just a book of short stories involving some of his other characters like Nanfoodle or Danica and Cadderly's kids. And more Jarlaxle, please!!! Heck, I'd even take a prequel with him and Zaknafein!



i would have to agree with that, i would love to read about ivan and pikel and def zak and jarlaxle

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Seabus Mythforger
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 :  07:47:56  Show Profile Send Seabus Mythforger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Seeing as it was RA Salvatore's Dark Elf Trilogy that brought me into the Realms, I must say that I love most of his novels. Drizzt and the Companions of the Hall do tend to get stale after a trilogy or two but that's why I've delved further into the Realms themselves. I can read a trilogy of Drizzt and then jump around to Elminster or spend a week in Evermeet with the Fair Folk and when I return to Drizzt, it's like I'm picking up Homeland for the first time again. But as good as Drizzt is to read, I must honestly say, I enjoy Salvatore's dwarves the best. Bruenor is exactly like I've always imagined dwarven folk to be but when I read the Cleric Quintet and was introduced to Pikel Bouldershoulder, my world got turned completely upside down...and for the better!

Overall, I'd have to agree with most people here. There need to be more books about other characters. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a book dealing with Jarlaxle and Zaknafein before the time of Drizzt and he could take it even further back with Jarlaxle to the time when Matron Mother Baenre tried to sacrifice Jarlaxe for being the thrid born child and make a trilogy leading up to when he formed Bregan D'arthe! A book dealing with the Bouldershoulder brothers would be awesome as well! But most of all, we NEED a trilogy about Harkell Harpell and his insanely dangerous family of cooky wizards. For some reason in my head, I like to think of the Harpells as the Addams Family of the Forgotten Realms!

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 :  15:07:54  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seabus Mythforger

Seeing as it was RA Salvatore's Dark Elf Trilogy that brought me into the Realms, I must say that I love most of his novels. Drizzt and the Companions of the Hall do tend to get stale after a trilogy or two but that's why I've delved further into the Realms themselves. I can read a trilogy of Drizzt and then jump around to Elminster or spend a week in Evermeet with the Fair Folk and when I return to Drizzt, it's like I'm picking up Homeland for the first time again. But as good as Drizzt is to read, I must honestly say, I enjoy Salvatore's dwarves the best. Bruenor is exactly like I've always imagined dwarven folk to be but when I read the Cleric Quintet and was introduced to Pikel Bouldershoulder, my world got turned completely upside down...and for the better!

Overall, I'd have to agree with most people here. There need to be more books about other characters. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a book dealing with Jarlaxle and Zaknafein before the time of Drizzt and he could take it even further back with Jarlaxle to the time when Matron Mother Baenre tried to sacrifice Jarlaxe for being the thrid born child and make a trilogy leading up to when he formed Bregan D'arthe! A book dealing with the Bouldershoulder brothers would be awesome as well! But most of all, we NEED a trilogy about Harkell Harpell and his insanely dangerous family of cooky wizards. For some reason in my head, I like to think of the Harpells as the Addams Family of the Forgotten Realms!



A pre-Drizzt book on Zak would be great, if done properly of course.

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Nilus Reynard
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 :  18:12:19  Show Profile Send Nilus Reynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I liked his novels, but I didn't go out of my way to find & buy them whenever a new one came out. I just kept acquiring Realms novels and eventually bought and read the newest one that he had written.

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Seabus Mythforger
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 :  19:36:09  Show Profile Send Seabus Mythforger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I also think it needs to be stated that, while Drizzt can get stale from time to time, there's no need for his "death". Drizzt is a drow, who happen to live for centuries upon centuries. Matron Mother Baenre was possibly two thousand year old when Bruenor killed her. And while most drow don't necessarily live that long they do have the ability to live up to a full millenia easily. It's part of why I'm looking forward to 4th edition Drizzt. The companions are dead and gone and there's a whole new world of stories to tell about Drizzt. I'm not too sure how I feel about Entreri being brought into 4th edition but after reading the Sellswords and learning that he used his vampiric dagger to draw in the essence of a shade into his soul I certainly understand how he could still be around. We'll just have to see how things progress and only time will tell if Drizzt should ever be killed off.

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Nilus Reynard
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 :  05:51:28  Show Profile Send Nilus Reynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree, Seabus.

While it may take him some time to gain new (trusted) companions, I believe that there is alot more than can be done with the Drizzt character. Killing him off would just be the cheap and easy way of ending the character saga.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 :  07:20:22  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More stage time for Drizzt means less for everybody else. It's a tradeoff: endless saga about the Drizzt character (and his sidekicks) keeping the Realms safe - vs - the need for countless other new and old NPCs to have a shot at adventure instead.

Drizzt is (or at least was) immensely popular and iconic, readily evidenced by all those books written about him and all those copycat players who dedicate so much effort into explaining how their dark elves are different. I'm of the personal opinion that Drizzt has already had enough center stage, indeed I think he's overstayed his welcome and should've already been killed/retired in some appropriate fashion. But, my opinions about Drizzt aside, even though I know Wizbro will keep on selling Drizzt pulp as long as people keep buying it, I would still like to see some other characters get in on the action instead. Preferably new (or previously ignored) characters, not Drizzt's drinking buddies, not Elminster and Khelben and the Seven Chosen, etc. Preferably also not constantly centered around the ambitions of gods and goddesses, archmages and überliches. The vast majority of people, and heroes, in the Realms are not powerful magi, indeed many aren't humans or elves ... how about a determined focus on writing some of them into Realms legend?

Interesting that the noble paladins and priests all have an unfortunate tendency to get heroically martyred in suicidal victories against Big Evil Things. How about one or two of them sticking around for a few trilogies to have a lasting impact?

[Edit]

Still waiting on all those stories about Mirt the Moneylender we were long-ago promised.

[/Ayrik]

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Artemas Entreri
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I think it's time for Salvatore to write and entirely new and different trilogy for the Realms: new characters, new setting, etc.

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Nilus Reynard
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 :  17:27:58  Show Profile Send Nilus Reynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

More stage time for Drizzt means less for everybody else. It's a tradeoff: endless saga about the Drizzt character (and his sidekicks) keeping the Realms safe - vs - the need for countless other new and old NPCs to have a shot at adventure instead.


Yes, your opinion has definite merit.

But there is no need to kill off the character, there has been far too much of that as of late. Getting rid of the Drizzt Do'Urden character might just have the effect of getting rid of more Realms fans. While there is the need to have new characters introduced and developed, there is still the need to keep some of the "old guard" as well.

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Therise
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With RAS, I initially loved his Drizzt books. I still like Drizzt, Entreri, Jarlaxle, etc. but they've grown a little long in the tooth. I absolutely loved his Cadderly books, but I lost interest when Drizzt and company showed up. I'm really not happy with Cadderly's end, but it had a certain poetic quality to it, I suppose.

What I really would like to see is a totally new series by RAS with entirely new characters. He's such a talented writer and storyteller, it would be great fun to see something fresh and new. Maybe a story about a young mage, or even the story of an orc that becomes civilized.

I realize that Drizzt is a big sell for WotC, I'm just not as excited about reading Drizzt stories as I once was.

4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
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phranctoast
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I would like to see RAS take on more Realms Shattering events. I know that sounds strange after he wrote the destruction of Neverwinter, and near destruction of Luskan, but I mean larger. It's likely not even up to him, but I'd like to see him write something that affects the realms like Abolethic sovereignty, Haunted Lands Trilogy, Arch Wizards trilogy, or The Last Mythal. He always seems like he's writing a skirmish when I'd like to see a War.


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phranctoast
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 :  20:27:13  Show Profile Send phranctoast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

The problem is that the business plan is to create new characters instead of developing existing ones. Drizzt and Elminster(and their associated characters) are the exceptions. Everyone else may get a trilogy, or a cameo at a later date.



I would add Aoth to the exceptions. He's got two trilogies and one more coming. He's spellscarred and would live far longer than ordinary mortals.

Anyway, I would love it if RAS writes at least a trilogy featuring Robillard as the main protagonist.



Speaking of Spellscarred. RAS was completely set up to use a similar affliction for Cattie Bri instead of killing her off. She was hit by the Blue Fire and died shortly after. After being injured in 1000 orcs, she started studying magic under Alustrial.

To me they were setting up Drizzt to have a component spell wielding partner that could 'live a while' with him as she was spell scarred but they kind of screwed the pooch with her death there.

Currently reading: Spider and Stone by Jaleigh Johnson: Sequel to Mistshore

Edited by - phranctoast on 12 Oct 2011 20:28:53
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