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The Sage
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  11:47:44  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by gomez


Btw, is Spellfire the 'sequel' to the Sword Never Sleeps? (I haven't managed to find that novel yet, it sold out)


Spellfire was one of the very first published Realms novels.

Indeed.

Gomez, you might want to pay a visit to the FR novel section on the main site. It has all the details about the various Realms novels -- including which series they belong to, as well as publishing dates.

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gomez
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  12:24:37  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
What I meant was: The Sword Never Sleeps ends with the Knights (finally) arriving in Shadowdale.
Is it known what happened then? Is this the moment that Spellfire starts off?
Or are there more events than yet need chronicling?

Gomez
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Brimstone
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  12:32:48  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
More events happen.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Jorkens
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  12:42:27  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

What I meant was: The Sword Never Sleeps ends with the Knights (finally) arriving in Shadowdale.
Is it known what happened then? Is this the moment that Spellfire starts off?
Or are there more events than yet need chronicling?

Gomez



I am unsure about what year Sword ended, but there are plenty of events that were never detailed. Spellfire takes place a relatively short time before the Time of Troubles if I remember correctly.The old Hall of Heroes is a great source (far superior to the two later 2nd edition books detailing Realmsian characters)for the Knights, although only hints and small comments concerning their adventures are given.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  13:24:29  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Or you could always ply THO with a lot of wine and ask her to illuminate...

If nothing else, it'll sure be entertaining!

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Brimstone
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  13:50:18  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Didn't Swords take place in 1348DR?

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Edited by - Brimstone on 03 May 2010 13:50:51
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  14:39:34  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

Didn't Swords take place in 1348DR?

Yes, it did -- the Year of the Spur.

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Thauramarth
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  16:16:50  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I am unsure about what year Sword ended, but there are plenty of events that were never detailed. Spellfire takes place a relatively short time before the Time of Troubles if I remember correctly.The old Hall of Heroes is a great source (far superior to the two later 2nd edition books detailing Realmsian characters)for the Knights, although only hints and small comments concerning their adventures are given.



According to the Karen Wynn Fonstad Atlas of the Forgotten Realms, as well as the usual sources Spellfire is set in 1357 DR.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  16:46:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
That's correct, and in the years between the end of THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS and the beginning of SPELLFIRE, the Knights arrived at the Old Skull Inn, chatted with the staff, got jumped by Zhent undercover agents (who'd been in the taproom) that night in their rooms, survived, claimed the Twisted Tower (which involved fighting Zhents and drow through it, and cleansing it, then delving into the cellars and down into the drow-infested caverns and tunnels connected to the cellars), and tried to settle down to ruling Shadowdale. Which meant winning over a frightened, Zhent-harrassed, surly populace, fighting off three Zhent armed forays from Voonlar (and then carrying the fight to the Zhents in Voonlar), establishing laws and local constables and a militia, doing a census (results of which are in the original "Old Grey Box" Realms boxed set), uncovering a were-creature that was murdering villagers as part of that census, then having all sorts of adventures (including fighting drow at Castle Grimstead, battling local Zhent agents like Erek the Alchemist [who was using both poison and bombs against Harpers and anyone else hampering Zhent plots], going up against The Temple In The Sky after fighting the giants in the nearby Tower, and finally deciding that Doust should rule as Lord while the rest of the Knights went adventuring, both to curb growing demon and devil troubles emanating from Myth Drannor [where we finally succeeded in closing a gate to the "darker planes" that was letting devils flood into the Realms], and to act as Shadowdale's envoys throughout the Dales. The attempt was to cooperate with Mistledale (sucessful) and other dales (less successful) in fighting off the Zhents. The Zhents were busy (in Yulash and other places) fighting off Hillsfar's growing ambitions, and the Dales were also being pressured by Sembia; interests there were "buying up and moving in" all over the Dales, conquering without armed invasion...and the Knights ended up caught in the middle trying to finesse all of these competing interests.
Then came SPELLFIRE . . .
love to all,
THO
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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  17:13:28  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Holy Tempus and Tymora, that's about a dozen novels you've just covered!
Oh, wait . . .
This is what Ed would have written about if they'd let him write novels for the first decade of the Realms, between SPELLFIRE and CROWN OF FIRE, when it was "all Drizzt, all the time" instead...isn't it?
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  17:18:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well, no, actually.
Ed was all about showing off the ENTIRE Realms, so DMs would early on really feel what it was like to have steamy jungles AND howling glaciers, pirates in the tropics and grim northern warriors, etc etc ad infinitum.
Ed would have given us a Mirt doing nasty mercantile swindling in the streets and back alleys novel, a Dabron Sashenstar exploring hitherto unchartered wilderness novel, a novel from the point of view of elder dragons trying to fight off human incursions into their domains novel, a dwarves fighting internally to either promote or resist change that's being forced upon them by humans, a "what life is like down in Undermountain" novel, a "traitor amongst The Simbul's apprentices" novel, a "growing up as an enslaved, beautiful, ambitious female in Thay" novel, and so on and on.
Yes, ALL of those were outlined in Ed's plans. Ed never intended the Realms to be a place of signature characters and concentrating on the Knights or anyone else. He wanted it more like Terry Pratchett's Discworld, where recurring characters can show up in any book, but each book tells a story all its own.
Sigh.
So much lost . . .
love,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  17:33:23  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Agreed. Be still my heart as I contemplate all those potential novels...

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capnvan
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  20:19:59  Show Profile  Visit capnvan's Homepage Send capnvan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
*Snip*
the Knights arrived at the Old Skull Inn, chatted with the staff, got jumped by Zhent undercover agents (who'd been in the taproom) that night in their rooms, survived, ...
Then came SPELLFIRE . . .
love to all,
THO

*Many snips*



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Jorkens
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  20:38:00  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

uncovering a were-creature that was murdering villagers as part of that census,



I actually borrowed that one for a one on one adventure years ago. It was quite a battle in the festhall with Florin and the PC desperately tried to get hold of a silver cake knife which was the only usable weapon available to them that could affect the were. They thought they were looking for a zenth agent and that the girl would give them a lead.

That was one of my favourite adventures ever.
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Brimstone
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  21:44:56  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

Agreed. Be still my heart as I contemplate all those potential novels...


I agree.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Blueblade
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Posted - 03 May 2010 :  23:25:59  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Ah, but beautiful lady, you left out the unwritten novel Ed used to talk about all the time at GenCon seminars: the one from the outcast mind flayer's POV, the adventurer using the memories stolen from victims to track down treasures, but getting increasingly self-disgusted at living such an existence.
THAT was the one that made my dad, who took me to my first GenCon, open his eyes wide and say, "So this isn't just kid's stuff. Guess we'll come back next year."
He wrote to TSR, asking them to let Ed write that book, but I'm thinking they never even forwarded the letter to Ed, let alone put the book on the schedule.
If we'd had all those books right at the beginning of the Realms, one a year, it would have painted the tapestry so wide and deep...
Sigh.
(Now I know why THO types that word so often.)

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Brimstone
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  04:38:20  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
All the Lore we don't even know about...

Sigh.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  06:38:52  Show Profile  Visit Sill Alias's Homepage Send Sill Alias a Private Message
Dear Mr. Greenwood. I love the Realms you created and grateful for making such great persons in this world. I have a question about Elminster.

Code of the Harpers says that the Harpers to maintain their membership must make some compositions or poems at least once per year. How many of such the Elminster made for all his life? If he did, were they good or not? Or he have some kind of free off charge privilege? Or he have unofficial membership

You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias

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Edited by - Sill Alias on 04 May 2010 07:45:07
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  15:42:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Sill Alias, I bring this swift reply from Ed:


Hi! Well met, and thanks for the great question. Although no one was ever going to boot El (a founding member) from the Harpers for lack of creative output, the Old Mage did (and still does!) scribble chapbook potboilers (very good for their type, which we real-world types might term "overblown pulp fiction derring-do adventure") and poetry (most of which is TERRIBLE). El does have a knack for satirical parody poetry, however, which because of its meter lends itself to use as replacement song lyrics, and some of those efforts on his part are quite good (and have seen lasting popularity in the Realms, though almost no one knows who composed them). One example: the Cormyrean song "Our King Azoun," which has such lyrics as "Our King Azoun is a bold bold soul..." but got transformed into "Our King Azoun is a randy dandy goat..." El has also composed a handful of tunes, some of them pleasant but generally uninspired - - and he's been doing it for long enough that he's produced thousands of poems, a play or two (again, vicious satires are his forte), about a dozen tunes, and forty or fifty sets of parody lyrics, all told. Not to mention some sixty chapbooks, ranging from tender romances to action epics, but predominantly there aforesaid pulp adventure.


So saith Ed. Outlining the stellar literary career of the Sage of Shadowdale.
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THO
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  16:02:02  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
So, what you're saying is that Elminster is the Weird "El" Yankovic of the Realms.

I KNEW IT!

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  16:13:50  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
(Enters stage left, eyes downcast, in a black cowled robe. Looks up at audience, and intones gravely:)

And Ashe was never seen again.

(Bows head again, walks to center stage, looks up once more.)

It is a heavy price that seekers of the truth pay for the rest of us, when they learn dark truths. Join me in a moment of reflection on the brave, uncompromising career of the scribe known as Ashe Ravenheart . . .


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Menelvagor
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  17:38:41  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
No! Don't joke! We want the chance to get taken by you as well! Why does he get lucky? Take me, milady, take me!
I recall a scene in Blackstaff where Elminster quoted a 'prophecy' he wrote in a chapbook in Myth Drannor... he joked that some people thought it referred to Bane.
Since Ed has been in our world, has he brought some plays from our world to Faerun? If so, under whose name did he publish them? The true name, and alias, or himself?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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gomez
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  20:12:59  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

That's correct, and in the years between the end of THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS and the beginning of SPELLFIRE, the Knights...<snippety for brievety>
Then came SPELLFIRE . . .



Ah, good to know I did not miss anything, you know, important ;P.

Btw most of Eds novel plans CAN still be written... I'm just saying.

Gomez
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Ashe Ravenheart
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I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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dfemling
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Posted - 04 May 2010 :  23:16:54  Show Profile  Visit dfemling's Homepage Send dfemling a Private Message
Good day Sir ED and Lady THO, it has been awhile from my last post so i hope life is treating you well. This time my question concerns the area around Waterdeep, roughly 0-25 miles or so and about 1372dr and before.

The question is what a traveler sees on his /her approach to waterdeep. I have a feeling you see farm lands with little hamlets and maybe some estates owned by the nobles. In my game I wish to create an estate house for my characters and have been viewing photos from my time in Germany and France. Also if my players are interested are the castle allowed to be built there and if so who holds the rights to these lands, and what kind of cost would we be thinking...Give me that +5 sword and you can have such and so land type thing?

Thank you for your time, and once again thank you for this amazing playground :)

Also if it is not too much to ask what type of buildings are we looking at, is there a trend for secret passages and fortified cellars maybe with battle maze or teleport magic entering the equation?
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