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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 17:35:39
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| My reasons for not reading it yet are pretty much the same as Rino's. However, I didn't buy the book and I've mentioned to Steven in private, which I hope he received, why I haven't read it yet even though I've had it since August. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 22:50:39
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, guys, remember that I *did* say I would read this book eventually (at this point, I do own it), it's just that I'm not whole-heartedly enthusiastic about it. That's a bit different from deciding to abstain from the novel completely.
Well you did vote "yes" by buying it, so you might as well read and enjoy it!! I would love to read your opinions about it.
A good point. But it probably is difficult for some of our scribes to reach that point where they want to read the book. To some, the damage to the Realms may simply be too much to bear. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 01:56:20
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I'm very much in that boat. I might read it, one day, if I'll be able to see the phrase '1479 DR' without wanting to throw the book away.
Which makes me somewhat sad. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3240 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 04:23:23
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Originally posted by Uzzy
I'm very much in that boat. I might read it, one day, if I'll be able to see the phrase '1479 DR' without wanting to throw the book away.
Which makes me somewhat sad.
It will happen one day, Uzzy...
Why just a little while ago, I thought I'd never be able to look at BattleTech and the words 'Dark Age' with turning blue. And look at me now! A healthy shade of teal!  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 04:44:54
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Why just a little while ago, I thought I'd never be able to look at BattleTech and the words 'Dark Age' with turning blue. And look at me now! A healthy shade of teal!
So long as you not a Davvie, or a FedRat, there's hope for you yet!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 05:45:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Why just a little while ago, I thought I'd never be able to look at BattleTech and the words 'Dark Age' with turning blue. And look at me now! A healthy shade of teal!
So long as you not a Davvie, or a FedRat, there's hope for you yet!
Silly Sage... When are you going to wise up to the fact that the nation that ate half of the Capellan Confederation is better in every way? You're so deluded I'm beginning to think your last name is Liao! |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 13:35:44
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, guys, remember that I *did* say I would read this book eventually (at this point, I do own it), it's just that I'm not whole-heartedly enthusiastic about it. That's a bit different from deciding to abstain from the novel completely.
Well you did vote "yes" by buying it, so you might as well read and enjoy it!! I would love to read your opinions about it.
A good point. But it probably is difficult for some of our scribes to reach that point where they want to read the book. To some, the damage to the Realms may simply be too much to bear.
I understand , just this weekend(for the 3rd consecutive visit) at my local reseller, I once again picked up, leafed through and then put back Plague of Spells. It feels weird not buying a "new" FR novel for $2....but I just can't do it. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 16:59:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red WalkerWell you did vote "yes" by buying it, so you might as well read and enjoy it!! I would love to read your opinions about it.
A good point. But it probably is difficult for some of our scribes to reach that point where they want to read the book. To some, the damage to the Realms may simply be too much to bear.
The post before last (wherein I described my reasoning) was longer at first, but I editted becase it sounded ...trite. Now I wish I had posted it.
Basically I have the complete opposite opinion - I will GLADLY read this book, when I can borrow a copy from either a friend or the library. After eading it - WITHOUT giving WotC a dime - I will also gladly send Steven the FULL cover price.
Its not the novel I'm avoiding - I'm dying to read it - its contributing to Hasbro's cofers I find so distasteful.
By buying ANYTHING 4e, you are sending a message to them that you find their changes acceptable... AND I DON'T. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 22:49:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
Basically I have the complete opposite opinion - I will GLADLY read this book, when I can borrow a copy from either a friend or the library. After eading it - WITHOUT giving WotC a dime - I will also gladly send Steven the FULL cover price.
Its not the novel I'm avoiding - I'm dying to read it - its contributing to Hasbro's cofers I find so distasteful.
By buying ANYTHING 4e, you are sending a message to them that you find their changes acceptable... AND I DON'T.
Here's an idea... Encourage your significant other to purchase it for you! |
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 23:06:36
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Portella
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
247 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 00:26:16
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Then WotC gets your SO's money, and they don't know a fan from their significant other, so money in just shows the company you are buying into their 4e market plan. I'd encourage getting a second-hand copy.
get the book at uzzy discards
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Originally posted by Uzzy
I'm very much in that boat. I might read it, one day, if I'll be able to see the phrase '1479 DR' without wanting to throw the book away.
Which makes me somewhat sad.
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Portella
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
247 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 00:30:40
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Here is my pennies (UK)
I not buying any source books again. i have a library of that takes far to much space on my shelves and a digital collection 20 gb of purchased pdf files. i dont need another edition to blot my collection. there is plenty of lore on my shelves and so many books for me to run 100 years of campaigns while i wait for the spell plague to ravage the world outside of my demi plane of win.
if i buy any books it will be novels because i enjoy reading them. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 01:10:06
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, guys, remember that I *did* say I would read this book eventually (at this point, I do own it), it's just that I'm not whole-heartedly enthusiastic about it. That's a bit different from deciding to abstain from the novel completely.
Well you did vote "yes" by buying it, so you might as well read and enjoy it!! I would love to read your opinions about it.
Actually I did not buy the book. It was a gift.
I will of course share my opinions after I read it. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 15:36:35
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Actually I did not buy the book. It was a gift.
LK's copy by any chance? 
We should pass it around. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 15:41:20
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Actually I did not buy the book. It was a gift.
LK's copy by any chance?
He bought it for me, so it's mine. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 15:42:32
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Well, guys, remember that I *did* say I would read this book eventually (at this point, I do own it), it's just that I'm not whole-heartedly enthusiastic about it. That's a bit different from deciding to abstain from the novel completely.
Well you did vote "yes" by buying it, so you might as well read and enjoy it!! I would love to read your opinions about it.
Actually I did not buy the book. It was a gift.
I will of course share my opinions after I read it.
Well since it's a gift you have an obligation to read it |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 16:23:48
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So he has PURCHASED two copies of the book?!
The Scoundrel!
Just kidding... |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 22:10:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
So he has PURCHASED two copies of the book?!
The Scoundrel!
Just kidding...
I know. Anyway, I don't think he actually bought one for himself.
And yes, RW, I will definitely read the novel. I have a few others I want to get through first though. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 23:18:18
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-I started Blackstaff Tower Last night. I really enjoyed Ed Greenwoods introduction.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 04:50:07
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I purchased it a few hours ago.
I went to Borders in hopes of finding a few older novels I missed, and couldn't find any (aside from a few trilogies I'm avoiding like the plague). Considered the Krull rip-off Obsidian Ridge, and even had one of those marketing-gimmicky "Ed Greenwood Presents" - I think Mistshore - in my hands, but decided even Ed's name didn't warrant a 4e purchase....
And then I found a last copy of Blackstaff Tower tucked away on a bottom shelf... almost as if it were waiting for me...
I broke down and bought it.
I will be starting it in a few minutes... but I'll hate myself in the morning (no matter how good it is). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 06:28:54
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Originally posted by Markustay
I will be starting it in a few minutes... but I'll hate myself in the morning (no matter how good it is).
But will we still respect you in the morning? |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 06:36:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
I purchased it a few hours ago.
I went to Borders in hopes of finding a few older novels I missed, and couldn't find any (aside from a few trilogies I'm avoiding like the plague). Considered the Krull rip-off Obsidian Ridge, and even had one of those marketing-gimmicky "Ed Greenwood Presents" - I think Mistshore - in my hands, but decided even Ed's name didn't warrant a 4e purchase....
And then I found a last copy of Blackstaff Tower tucked away on a bottom shelf... almost as if it were waiting for me...
I broke down and bought it.
I will be starting it in a few minutes... but I'll hate myself in the morning (no matter how good it is).
- ! Come to the Darkside Markus we have COOKIES!
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 07:02:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
And then I found a last copy of Blackstaff Tower tucked away on a bottom shelf... almost as if it were waiting for me...
I broke down and bought it.
Ah, good news.
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I will be starting it in a few minutes... but I'll hate myself in the morning (no matter how good it is).
Now, I'll want to hear what you thought of the book once you're done with it.  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 11:15:14
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-I am about 3 quarters done. Osco has stolen the show with me. I have a soft spot for Hin Rogues.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 17:48:35
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Perhaps I should start a thread with my musings in the novel forum, but suffice it to say I got to page 7, and was enjoying it...
...and then I ran into the word 'cerulean', which hit me in the face like a 4th-edition freight train.
I put it down at that point, and went to sleep, and have only just begun reading it again at this moment.
I feel there will be more of those 'reality check' moments for me throughout... <sigh>
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Come to the Darkside Markus we have COOKIES!
That was funny for awhile, when I was still doing a lot of 'fence sitting', but thats over with for the most part. I realize the fence only existed in my mind, and Realmslore is realmslore, despite how I feel about the changes.
You shouldn't refer to to 4e as "the Dark Side" - there are two sides, but both have their ups and downs. I understand the existance of 4e, and the reasoning behind it, even if it doesn't personally suit my own tastes - to each his own and all of that.
If anything, I think 3e should be "the Dark Side" ; no longer excepted by the masses...
But OH!... such POWER to be had! 
Besides, with my Asthma and my size, I breath a lot like Vader.
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-I am about 3 quarters done. Osco has stolen the show with me. I have a soft spot for Hin Rogues.
They always do.
I still get 'misty' when I think about Jak.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 18:31:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
...and then I ran into the word 'cerullean', which hit me in the face like a 4th-edition freight train.
Relax. WotC did not invent the word "cerulean" (I distinctly recall it being used in an interesting scene in the movie The Devil Wears Prada). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3563 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 18:35:50
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
...and then I ran into the word 'cerullean', which hit me in the face like a 4th-edition freight train.
Relax. WotC did not invent the word "cerulean" (I distinctly recall it being used in an interesting scene in the movie The Devil Wears Prada).
Prada.......wasn't she a red Wizard aspiring to be a Zulkir?
When did I miss this realms movie? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 19:25:55
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And I first read about it in the Realms way back in the original Pools of novels because Shal-Bal's horse glows that color. :) Yes, I remember a scene from a novel I read 15ish years ago.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
...and then I ran into the word 'cerullean', which hit me in the face like a 4th-edition freight train.
Relax. WotC did not invent the word "cerulean" (I distinctly recall it being used in an interesting scene in the movie The Devil Wears Prada).
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 19:54:03
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Right... I realize its just another word for 'blue', but the 4e design guys have embraced the word to the point of beating it to death.
They did to 'Cerulean' what they did to the word 'Shadow' - they over-used it until it brought bile into my mouth.
I'm sure I've come across the word before in FR novels - its just that now it jumps out at me an hits me in the face like a brick.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 20:31:28
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Prada.......wasn't she a red Wizard aspiring to be a Zulkir?
When did I miss this realms movie?
So... when one says "the devil wears Prada," one is talking about a summoning that went horribly wrong?  |
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