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Nightseer
Acolyte
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
1078 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 13:52:37
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| sweet!!! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 16:59:43
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Originally posted by Copper Elven Vampire
sweet!!!
You hadn't seen these before? Huh, I could have sworn that you did...
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 05:35:59
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I just discovered this...
Balgarski (transliteration)
neveren (disloyal, faithless, false, false-hearted, inconstant)
as in Neveren's Betrayal
I wonder, Erik, if you were aware of this or if it is a case of literary serendipity? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 05:45:14
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I just discovered this...
Balgarski (transliteration)
neveren (disloyal, faithless, false, false-hearted, inconstant)
as in Neveren's Betrayal
I wonder, Erik, if you were aware of this or if it is a case of literary serendipity?
Literary serendipity--one I particularly like.
Oh and at least one thing listed about Neveren in this article is UNTRUE, though he actively put it about that it was true. To find out which, you'll just have to read Eye of Justice.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 05:53:02
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| I remember you saying something about not having revealed all of Betrayal's abilities. Will these be revealed in Eye of Justice, as well as a look into 'Light's past and her relationship to Neveren Darkdance? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 06:02:38
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I remember you saying something about not having revealed all of Betrayal's abilities. Will these be revealed in Eye of Justice, as well as a look into 'Light's past and her relationship to Neveren Darkdance?
Indeed, maybe, yep, and definitely.
She does, after all, have numerous conversations with a descendant of Neveren's, who is quite keen on learning about the past . . .
Gahk! [grabbed by shadowdancing elf who promptly vanishes with him into the shadows]
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 06:07:11
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| Ever coy, I expected as much. I will indeed read your book, you rogue. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 06:11:32
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You might consider reading Shadowbane, which contains a small but extremely relevant hint to the mystery. Eye of Justice will follow up on it in great detail.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 06:17:12
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| They are both on a very short list of Realms novels I look forward to reading. Thanks. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2012 : 21:46:00
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| Eric, what do you think of a Trickster-touched Changeling (Races of Eberron, Eberron Campaign Setting)? I know that they are considered abberations, but there really is no god for them to follow in FR (that I can think of). The character I envision would be capricious in the extreme, too young to have yet learned the subleties of being invisible in a crowd. Everywhere she goes she would leave confusion and chaos in her wake. Would the Chameleon welcome her to his faith with open arms, or would typical elven disdain keep him from embracing her as one of his flock? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2012 : 21:51:20
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@Fellfire: There's absolutely no reason Erevan can't have a changeling servant. He already has numerous non-elven servants, and a changeling might well be extremely useful or just fun for hi m to watch. Changelings are an excellent potential servant for a guy who delights in looking like anyone or anything.
Also, who knows why Erevan does anything? This changeling might have a grand purpose, which Erevan either doesn't know or doesn't remember. But he's fun to watch. 
I say go for it!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 00:19:16
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| As I've pointed out more than once, there isn't a human Trickster god in the Realms. And as a Trickster-type myself, I think there should be such a deity. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 00:57:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As I've pointed out more than once, there isn't a human Trickster god in the Realms.
Not in totality, but I recall Trickery being listed among Shar's portfolio on more than one occasion.
Granted, it's not the classic Erevan/Loki-trickster-deity-type, but the essence of the concept remains. It's simply, I suppose, that Shar would utilise trickery with more deadly and sinister effect. Kinda like Loki, then, I suppose.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 01:32:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As I've pointed out more than once, there isn't a human Trickster god in the Realms. And as a Trickster-type myself, I think there should be such a deity.
I disagree.
they might go and say that said new human deity is Erevan in a later ruleset edition..... |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 01:34:56
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As I've pointed out more than once, there isn't a human Trickster god in the Realms. And as a Trickster-type myself, I think there should be such a deity.
I disagree.
they might go and say that said new human deity is Erevan in a later ruleset edition.....
Tsch, like I'd stand for THAT.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 05:13:32
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As I've pointed out more than once, there isn't a human Trickster god in the Realms. And as a Trickster-type myself, I think there should be such a deity.
I disagree.
they might go and say that said new human deity is Erevan in a later ruleset edition.....
Tsch, like I'd stand for THAT.
Cheers
No I don't think you would.
but the comment still stands. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 05:57:32
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It won't happen--don't worry.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 11:47:46
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| Erik's got juice, ya see. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 21:07:40
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but that does not mean they would not try. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 21:09:56
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Originally posted by sfdragon
but that does not mean they would not try.
You sound bitter, SFD. Have a little faith! Things don't always go badly.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 00:26:27
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I'd not be adverse to Erevan picking up some human followers, and becoming the Trickster of the Faerūnian pantheon... I'm not sure he's the best fit for the classical Trickster type, but he could do it.
I just want a Trickster in the Realms! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 00:53:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd not be adverse to Erevan picking up some human followers, and becoming the Trickster of the Faerūnian pantheon... I'm not sure he's the best fit for the classical Trickster type, but he could do it.
I just want a Trickster in the Realms!
I recall it being said that Erevan has many half-elven worshippers. Thus, I could easily see this being a suitable point for the faith of Erevan to pick up more human followers in communities where the worshipping half-elves might live. Rogues, thieves, or just general mischief makers within the human population would probably look to Erevan as something to venerate and provide guidance for their trickery. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 01:02:18
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
but that does not mean they would not try.
You sound bitter, SFD. Have a little faith! Things don't always go badly.
Cheers
bitter.... they merge SEhanine and SElune.... when they could of stripped SEhanine of any moon portfolios and given her dreams, vissions and prophecies.
they did the same with whats her name and Sune
and even said whats her name was akadi....
and.. Sune and whats her name doesnt bother me that much being taht I always thought Sune was a Nymph turned goddess
the deal with Akadi along with Selune didnt sit well.
they murdered Helm... axed MAsk
and you know what annoyed me the most.
they combined Chauntea and Yondala.
to this day, this never made since.
Chauntea has firtilation as in planting seads
and Yondala had Firtility( aka procreation of children aka .... that three letter word that starts with s)
they could have given her motherhood and or family and left chauntea with her farmers.
but no they had to combine the two and tell me that they were close enough. Chauntea was a bad choice, Sharess or Sune would have done better.....
wanderlust is still a form of lust..
So Wooly wants a trickster...
well will that man wearing a "Mask" behind him do??
oh yeah I'm likely bitter.... either that or that Cops show is on tv and its time to change the channel |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 01:49:05
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Erevin kills Cyric with his poisoned lapel-flower, takes his power and some of his portfolios, and everybody wins.
WE now get a Realms 'Loki'. Cut, print, wrap. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 02:05:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Erevin kills Cyric with his poisoned lapel-flower, takes his power and some of his portfolios, and everybody wins.
WE now get a Realms 'Loki'. Cut, print, wrap.
You've read that old issue of Journey Into Mystery where Loki "kills" Thor and takes his power, haven't you?
I imagine the outcome would play out similarly in the Realms as well. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 02:19:50
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Not really (I remember Loki going after Thor numerous times). I was actually thinking of The Joker.
More like the 4e philosophy of "kill them and take their stuff".
We have enough evil gods in the Realms now (too many, actually, with Asmodeus and Zehir, etc), and Cyric is kinda 2-dimensional. Since we need a trickster, and Erevin isn't perfect (yet), and we have too many evil powers, AND most people can't stand Cyric....
kill him and take his stuff. It solves multiple problems.
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 03:12:13
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What, no Blind Fighting and Hear the Unseen (Complete Adventurer)? Despite "that would do - <twang!>" part?
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
More like the 4e philosophy of "kill them and take their stuff".
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kill him and take his stuff. It solves multiple problems.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 03:20:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Not really (I remember Loki going after Thor numerous times). I was actually thinking of The Joker.
More like the 4e philosophy of "kill them and take their stuff".
We have enough evil gods in the Realms now (too many, actually, with Asmodeus and Zehir, etc), and Cyric is kinda 2-dimensional. Since we need a trickster, and Erevin isn't perfect (yet), and we have too many evil powers, AND most people can't stand Cyric....
kill him and take his stuff. It solves multiple problems.
And if they kill him before 1385 DR.......
sure I can see it now.
Ervan turns the floor of the supreme throne into soap. Cyric stands up from his supreme torleit and slips cracking his head open on the supreme tub.
servants want to know what hte supreme number is for 911 |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Magister's GAmbit
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 05:12:28
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
So Wooly wants a trickster...
well will that man wearing a "Mask" behind him do??
Nope. I want a true Trickster: someone who lives by mischief and humor. Someone who will crack a joke or play a prank for the sheer sake of doing so, but who also understands that sometimes humor is the best way to convey a message, whether it's by a mocking grin, a friendly jab, or pointed ridicule. The true Trickster uses humor for amusement and as a tool.
That's not something the Realms has, at least not for humans. |
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