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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 :  13:37:30  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Vangelor

Even if they did, how likely is a given aboleth to want to revisit the memory of the ancestor who ate something that long ago?

"You don't know how lucky you are! In my day, we ate nothing but the primordial ooze, and we were grateful to have it!" ;)





And we had to slither uphill -- both ways! -- for twenty miles, thru ten feet of snow, to get to that ooze!

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Ergdusch
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 :  20:54:18  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message
Hello Ed! Hello THO!
I have to pick up on this particular reply of Ed from Jan 14th about the portal in Tesaril's tower leading to the hidden house. Here is the reply (somewhat shorter though ):

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

[...]Ergdusch wrote:
[...]I do have a question, however, regarding the entrance to the Hidden House: Is Shandril already in the Hidden House after Tessaril shoves her through the portal? Or does she reach the House after passing through the many rooms? Thanks in advance."

Ed replies:
[...]
The portal is one way into the Hidden House, so Shandril is in it the moment Tessaril shoves her through. Note that sometimes doors within the House open into one place, and at other times (or when traversed in other directions) to other places. There are many ways into and out of the House, but they tend to "hide" or disappear for periods. In short, next time someone plunges through that portal, it might not take them to the same place it took Shandril, if they don't go through it at just the right time, or in just the right manner, or carrying the right "trigger token."
[...]



I have a map of Tessaril's Tower at hand from Haunted Halls of Eveningstar. Is it possible to place this portal in one particular room of that map?

Best regards and thanks in advance, Ergdusch

P.S: From reading and comparing with the map I'd place it in Room 22 (Lofty Landing). But of course this might be totally off the mark.

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

Edited by - Ergdusch on 29 Jan 2008 21:00:11
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 :  03:05:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. I bring a Realmslore reply from Ed to Ergdush, as follows:

Your reading has led you to identify the right "room," all right. :}
The door is concealed and trapped thus: if Tessaril doesn't make the right gesture (dig-stroking her left palm with one of the fingers of that same hand) whilst treading on the correct step on the stair or spot on the floor when approaching that landing, the door can't be found at all. Spellcasters seeking to force or destroy it (when it's in this hidden state) by tracing its magic will discover that it reflects their spells right back at them (this is a Weave "slapback" effect, not a ward spell that can be easily undone or dispelled).
If the door is properly approached, it's still invisible unless or until Tessaril (or certain other persons who know how, or who can "see" the Weave with the right keeness, such as all Chosen of Mystra) touches its area and wills it to appear. It can be opened and used while invisible, though its presence will be readily revealed as observers "see beyond" it to areas it is accessing.
Note I said areas, plural. This is a weightless magical door, and can be opened either on its right side, or its left side, by pulling or pushing (as it if had hinges on either side); it has handles. Depending on how it is opened, one can reach any of four destinations. One is: the Hidden House (works in both directions). Another is: the back of a deep walk-in closet in a certain other structure in Eveningstar (outbound only, and I'll leave that building secret so you as a DM can have it be anywhere you want it to be). A third is: outbound only, to a particular small glade in the King's Forest, JUST west of The Way of the Dragon, about a bowshot south of Waymoot (there's a game-trail from the glade to the road, but the glade is almost always deserted, because it's very small and surrounded by boggy ground that's usually home to lots of stinging insects except in winter; literally only the game-trail itself is solid ground). A fourth is: outbound only, to somewhere on a rooftop of an old multi-storey, rental-apartments building in western Suzail (now a rather seedy district). Again, just which one I'll leave to you.
The War Wizards know of the three non-Hidden-House destinations, but only a few senior ones know of that last destination (everyone else is told the fourth way through the door is a deadly trap). The Hidden House itself has always been little-known local lore in Eveningstar, that spreads from time to time across Cormyr in the form of various wild rumors (the War Wizards spread the wildest of these so as to make Cormyreans think all talk of the House was wild fancy; they have succeeded in making your average Cormyrean distrust every detail of what's said about the House, but also in believing one of many dark conspiracy theories, and being darned sure there's SOMETHING behind all of them.


So saith Ed. Essential lore of Cormyr, laid bare at long last. Ed stresses that this is by no means "all" about even just this one way into the Hidden House.
Heh-heh, and so forth.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 30 Jan 2008 03:09:41
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Charles Phipps
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Hey Ed, are the Triad worshiped more like their own separate pantheon and/or as a single religion or do people tend to worship the gods separately but allied?

Also, just as a purely fun question, are Tyrites and the like more conservative regarding the bedroom than average Faeruners?

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gomez
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 :  07:52:04  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ed's artery-hardening chip dip (take 2 tubs of sour cream, 2 bricks of Philly cream cheese, beat together with a trace of ketchup and hot sauce and worcestershire sauce and a LOT of ground dried leeks or Knorr leek soup mix, plus Ed's secret ingredients, and . . . have a coronary, soon after. ).

Ehm... do we want to know the secret ingredients?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 :  15:26:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Now, now - - if you did, they wouldn't be SECRET, now would they, silly?
Seriously: we're talking a few pinches of off-the-shelf, "normal" spices from your average North American kitchen spice rack, not anything weird or illicit. I think I espied Ed reaching for celery salt or garlic powder a time or two.
The aim is to make sure the "twist" of the ketchup can be tasted WITHOUT its sweetness being too strong.
love,
THO
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Vangelor
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 :  17:56:26  Show Profile  Visit Vangelor's Homepage Send Vangelor a Private Message
Sounds much nicer than primordial ooze, by all accounts!

Question for Ed:

Are natural hot (or "warm", e.g. not actually scalding/boiling) springs made much use of as natural spas in the Realms? One would assume that Neverwinter has some access to geothermally heated waters. What about elsewhere in the Realms? Particular areas of interest include the Silver Marches, the Western Heartlands and the Dales/Cormanthor/Moonsea environs, but any bathing-related lore is appreciated.

Edited by - Vangelor on 30 Jan 2008 17:57:13
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Caedwyr
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Greetings,

Something I've been wondering for a while, is are there plate tectonics in the Realms, and in general how geologically accurate are things (with respect to following the various rules of how a geological system works)? This is one area that often seems to be skimped over in fantasy literature or gets used as a plot device without following any sort of framework. Are there zones where earthquakes are more common, chains of volcanic activity, volcanic hot spots and island chains of old volcanoes (like Hawaii)?
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 :  22:48:35  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Caedwyr

Greetings,

Something I've been wondering for a while, is are there plate tectonics in the Realms, and in general how geologically accurate are things (with respect to following the various rules of how a geological system works)? This is one area that often seems to be skimped over in fantasy literature or gets used as a plot device without following any sort of framework. Are there zones where earthquakes are more common, chains of volcanic activity, volcanic hot spots and island chains of old volcanoes (like Hawaii)?




There are A LOT of volcanoes just on the continent of Faerun. Two which spring to mind immediately are the one which keeps Neverwinter warm, and the one which swallowed Solon (near Mulhorrand).

Caedwyr, have you read Evermeet, by Elaine Cunningham? She describes how the Elven High Mages basically chucked natural geology out the window and remade most of the planet to suit themselves. Other Elves did the same by drowning the human empire of Jhamdaath, causing a sea to swallow thousands of square miles of land -- and probably hundreds of thousands of humans, too, but who's counting? I suspect that the natural geology of Toril has been so thoroughly mangled by magical alterations that spellcasters are still a more significant factor in Torilian geology and geography than mere natural fores.

But ... "what do I know?"





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Blueblade
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Hmmm. I seem to remember Ed answering a question about tectonics here at the Keep before (Kuje?), but that there are several outstanding queries about volcanoes still outstanding.
I also remember a GenCon seminar years ago (in the MECCA years in Milwaukee, pre-Midwest Express Center) where Ed detailed a lot of Realms geology and biology for some university profs in the audience, who I think were quite surprised at the extent of Ed's real-world knowledge in "their" fields. I remember him telling them: "I DO think about these things, you know. No rivers running uphill."
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Caedwyr
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Sure, I know about the formation of Evermeet and some of the major magical reshaping the world events, but you can't really 'chuck natural geology out of the window'. As soon as the unnatural? events stop, the existing systems take over. Also, tectonics is more than just volcanoes and earthquakes, so I was hoping for a little more info.

@Blueblade: I'd be very interested in hearing/reading some of that talk/information. The construction of internally consistent worlds/universes/fictions (to borrow a Spider Robinson term) is a favourite passtime and I love reading about well done examples.

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George Krashos
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Well here's the low down on the "spellplague" before it even was the "spellplague" from Ed himself. Given that the 100 year jump and the Abeir returning thingies are now in the public domain, this post isn't spoiling anything and I thought that the wider forum community might appreciate the insight.

There are actually THREE references, all of which will
really only be understandable "after the fact." One of
them is the "Smashed the black star" curiosity that
several scribes have been so fascinated by, and
another is a CYCLOPEDIA heading (yes, just the
heading). [Ed was referring to the "Abeir-Toril" heading]

The third, "main" reference is on page 40 of the DM'S
SOURCEBOOK, referring to Mellomir's claim of finding
an "ancient" and "magical" treasure in the vicinity of
the Haunted Halls. The dwarves vanishing over the
years were fleeing the Realms through gates (portals,
linking to other worlds / alternate Prime Material
Planes) that are not in the Haunted Halls, but can be
reached through the Halls (I think the maps I gave you
at GenCon included the "Whisper's Crypt" level, yes?).
The dwarves were departing to avoid the coming
Spellplague, and the monsters and adventurers
vanishing into and emerging from the Halls were also
using the gates.

The original text of this entry had Mellomir referring
to an unspecified "message of fire."

The original turnover of FR1 THE HAUNTED HALLS OF
EVENINGSTAR included a magical "message" formed by
flames dancing in midair that briefly appeared to
anyone entering the many-pillared room of Encounter
31, that said this: "A great storm of magic is coming,
that will twist or maim many. Beware the Black Star."
It was edited out because the TSR designers of the day
thought it too substantial to print without providing
something of an explanation (that there was no
wordcount left in the module to provide, and that
would open a can of worms they wanted to avoid). This
same message appears in front of the gates used the
dwarves, monsters, and adventurers, whenever they are
approached from the "Realms" side.

So there you have it. Too mangled and chopped-down for
anyone studying the Old Grey Box to recognize without
this explanation. Sorry. I DID warn everyone it would
be nigh-impossible to spot, beforehand.

By the way, there's something else in FR0 tied to
this: Sabirine's Specular. A Spell Engine provides a
tiny "shelter" from Spellplague effects around itself,
and Sabirine chose to die rather than embrace lichdom
because she didn't want to endure years of undeath
only to be swept away in the Spellplague, or twisted
and maimed and left in a world ravaged by the
Spellplague.

The Spellplague term isn't mine (I called it "the
Doom," or "the Coming of the Black Star" or "THE
Spellstorm"), and I always intended this to be a
mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.

There you have it.

-- George Krashos

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Bakra
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 :  13:57:28  Show Profile Send Bakra a Private Message
Thanks George and Ed for this juicy bit of information!


I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 :  14:17:03  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage  Click to see AlorinDawn's MSN Messenger address Send AlorinDawn a Private Message
George & Ed... Wow and thank you.

Perhaps I need to step back and re-evaluate my stance on Realms literature. I'm finding myself guilty of snobbery when it comes to Realms information that doesn't come from the few writers whom I feel care deeply and "get" the Realms (my opinion).

Ed,

I'm going to take a "wild stab" here and guess that if you decided to implement the Spellplague it would not have included a bunch of deities dying in cheap soap opera episode nor the removal of the weave as we know it. Can you comment on this at all?

Do you ever make it to Origins?

Thanks

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 :  15:50:00  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. I had a chance to chat briefly on the phone with Ed last night (horrible ice storm and windstorm pounding his neck of the woods), and he indicated his responses to this, from Charles Phipps: "Hey Ed, are the Triad worshiped more like their own separate pantheon and/or as a single religion or do people tend to worship the gods separately but allied?
Also, just as a purely fun question, are Tyrites and the like more conservative regarding the bedroom than average Faeruners?"
Here's my paraphrase of Ed's reply:
Most people tend to worship the deities separately, but consider them (and their priests) as allies, and turn to such allies when in need. Some priests (of these deities) point to the common beliefs and tenets among the Triad as proof that these faiths are "right" or "more correct than others," but worship is always considered to be best done on a personal, specific basis; unless you are desperate and calling out to "whatever gods there be!" for aid, worship "counts" most when it's directed at a specific deity.
As for your purely fun question: any answer will of course be a gross generalization. Ed believes a desire for privacy (as opposed to exhibitionism or public displays of affection) will be strong, as will a tendency towards discipline (though this may in individual cases manifest as self-control of one's body rather than necessarily binding, flogging, or physically dominating others). Ed wouldn't go farther than that, saying: Human nature responds to restrictions by flouting them, so what goes on in bedchambers of rule-followers may surprise others.

So saith Ed, filtered through me.
love to all,
THO
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Brimstone
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Well here's the low down on the "spellplague" before it even was the "spellplague" from Ed himself. Given that the 100 year jump and the Abeir returning thingies are now in the public domain, this post isn't spoiling anything and I thought that the wider forum community might appreciate the insight.

There are actually THREE references, all of which will
really only be understandable "after the fact." One of
them is the "Smashed the black star" curiosity that
several scribes have been so fascinated by, and
another is a CYCLOPEDIA heading (yes, just the
heading). [Ed was referring to the "Abeir-Toril" heading]

The third, "main" reference is on page 40 of the DM'S
SOURCEBOOK, referring to Mellomir's claim of finding
an "ancient" and "magical" treasure in the vicinity of
the Haunted Halls. The dwarves vanishing over the
years were fleeing the Realms through gates (portals,
linking to other worlds / alternate Prime Material
Planes) that are not in the Haunted Halls, but can be
reached through the Halls (I think the maps I gave you
at GenCon included the "Whisper's Crypt" level, yes?).
The dwarves were departing to avoid the coming
Spellplague, and the monsters and adventurers
vanishing into and emerging from the Halls were also
using the gates.

The original text of this entry had Mellomir referring
to an unspecified "message of fire."

The original turnover of FR1 THE HAUNTED HALLS OF
EVENINGSTAR included a magical "message" formed by
flames dancing in midair that briefly appeared to
anyone entering the many-pillared room of Encounter
31, that said this: "A great storm of magic is coming,
that will twist or maim many. Beware the Black Star."
It was edited out because the TSR designers of the day
thought it too substantial to print without providing
something of an explanation (that there was no
wordcount left in the module to provide, and that
would open a can of worms they wanted to avoid). This
same message appears in front of the gates used the
dwarves, monsters, and adventurers, whenever they are
approached from the "Realms" side.

So there you have it. Too mangled and chopped-down for
anyone studying the Old Grey Box to recognize without
this explanation. Sorry. I DID warn everyone it would
be nigh-impossible to spot, beforehand.

By the way, there's something else in FR0 tied to
this: Sabirine's Specular. A Spell Engine provides a
tiny "shelter" from Spellplague effects around itself,
and Sabirine chose to die rather than embrace lichdom
because she didn't want to endure years of undeath
only to be swept away in the Spellplague, or twisted
and maimed and left in a world ravaged by the
Spellplague.

The Spellplague term isn't mine (I called it "the
Doom," or "the Coming of the Black Star" or "THE
Spellstorm"), and I always intended this to be a
mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.

There you have it.

-- George Krashos



-So did Ed always intend for a major disaster to happen to the Realms? And is this WotC's way of implementing it?
Very interesting. Is Abeir where the Imaskari got their slaves from?

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 :  17:14:00  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Well here's the low down on the "spellplague" before it even was the "spellplague" from Ed himself.
the Abeir returning


Thanks George this is very interesting:
20 year ago a bright eyed youth buys the OGBS and reads the clack and notices two things that interest him and seem to be linked:

Marchayn the mad witch is slain, babbling
Dove Dove smashed the Black Star, Dove... (not that I knew who Dove was at the time, even when I saw her entry in the book )

and The Netyarch sends agents out into the Realms to find black gems for unknown magical or religious use


So being that naive bright eyed youth and putting 2 and 2 together (making 17 probably) I assumed these are linked because I assumed that because the Star was smashed it must be made of glass or crystal or a maybe its a gemstone and this powerful wizrd/priest of some far off land that is not even on the map wants them - AHA he is some sort of powerful Thoth-AMon type of wizard/priest who is involved in Necromancy and Summoning of Demons etc, right I have something for the players to aim for..... (and as yet they have never got there)

Fast forward 20 years and the information that Ed had already presaged the coming of the 'Spellplague' and that it was in the OGBS. So being a novice seeker I go back and read through both of the books TWICE and see no mention of Mystra dying, the weave going bang or wizards going mad by the hundreds and thousands, but just this little piece about one Witch going mad after Dove (who I now know and understand better and realise what she does and why) smashed something, and for Dove to directly be involved means something important.
Black Star? black=night=Shar?
How about the King Killer Star that drives Dragons into their rages
How about the star that created Mistledale and destroyed Uvaraen (sp?)
Stars that create chaos and destruction and madness (hmmm that sounds like the Spellplague)

hmmm stars stars stars and Mystra's symbol is a star! so could this be the spellplague link? Anyhoo I could never figure it out as there was no further Lore to go on, so I put it on the back burner to come back to later (probably when 4E revealed the 'truth').

Thanks George for your post it has really helped to get one 'must find out and/or write my own back story for this piece of missing Lore' resolved.

Just a quick question, can a kindly sage point me to the direction of what George means about the Abeirs returning? Have seen the new article now

Thanks

Damian
ps off course if TSR had actually put out a more expansive HHoE product I would have made the link 15 years ago or so between Marchayn and Stars and Dove and the end of the world. George can I say you are one very lucky chap to have your copy of the HH that Ed gave you, am chuffed for you

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-So did Ed always intend for a major disaster to happen to the Realms? And is this WotC's way of implementing it?



I don't think so... Reread the last part:

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I always intended this to be a mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.


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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

hmmm stars stars stars and Mystra's symbol is a star! so could this be the spellplague link? Anyhoo I could never figure it out as there was no further Lore to go on, so I put it on the back burner to come back to later (probably when 4E revealed the 'truth').

Cyric is also called the "Dark Sun" and the "Black Sun," and a the sun is a star, so it could be a reference to his assassination of Mystra as well.

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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 :  18:40:41  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
[Cyric is also called the "Dark Sun" and the "Black Sun," and a the sun is a star, so it could be a reference to his assassination of Mystra as well.



Excellent spot Hawks , Cyric never occured to me.

nice one

Damian

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-So did Ed always intend for a major disaster to happen to the Realms? And is this WotC's way of implementing it?



I don't think so... Reread the last part:

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I always intended this to be a mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.




-But the possiblity was and still there, right. The lore is there that now supports it. I now have no problem whatso ever about the spellplague. Its the 100yr time jump I dont care for.

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Of course, I am pretty sure that Cyric wasn't even a figment in Ed's imagination when HHoE or the Grey Box were written. I am pretty sure Cyric is a creation of TSR marketing for the Avatar Trilogy.
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Originally posted by Apex

Of course, I am pretty sure that Cyric wasn't even a figment in Ed's imagination when HHoE or the Grey Box were written. I am pretty sure Cyric is a creation of TSR marketing for the Avatar Trilogy.



Off course he is, but we are being diligent scribes and back filling the gaps and contradictions in Lore as best we can :)

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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-So did Ed always intend for a major disaster to happen to the Realms? And is this WotC's way of implementing it?



I don't think so... Reread the last part:

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I always intended this to be a mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.




-But the possiblity was and still there, right. The lore is there that now supports it. I now have no problem whatso ever about the spellplague. Its the 100yr time jump I dont care for.



I would argue that "mythical" and "always-in-the-future" meant it was something that Ed never actually planned to have happen... Especially since the particular references in the Old Grey Box had asterisks, and it was specified that "News reports that will NOT ever have follow-up in the published Realms material are marked with a (*)." (page 36 of the DM's Sourcebook of the Realms). The fact that Ed does not seem to be a fan of RSEs would further indicate that this was never anything approaching a concrete plan of his, but rather a mythical doomsday.

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Whilst I will let the great man respond himself in good time, it's clear that he built into the Realms (from the very, very beginning) a few reset buttons that would assist and help justify sweeping changes to his campaign (which naturally became available to all of us when the Realms became a published campaign setting). Obviously these reset buttons suited Ed and allowed him flexibility with regard to his own DM-ing and campaign for the benefit of his players.

The ToT (maligned by many), a 'gods reset' was noted in Ed's DRAGON articles on the gods of FR before there even was a published FR campaign setting. Similarly, as we can now see, the 'magic reset' was also in place. Just makes you wonder how many more of these little dangling campaign erasers Ed has left us over the years, of which we are none the wiser ...

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