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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 05 Mar 2017 :  17:16:03  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well i dont see a need to redo it. Its perfect as it is.

Yes they need a lighter version for olayers but that should not make the lore incorrect. FR is great because of its depth. It just needed to be more accessible rather being hacked to pieces.

I use your article as the basis for all migration patterns. Languages change a lot over a millennia and i use that as the reasoning for discrepancies between that and 3e lore.


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Brian R. James
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Posted - 05 Mar 2017 :  17:20:43  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
D&D can have a thousand skills, spells, monsters, prestige classes, etc..., but when it comes to fleshing out languages we need something simple?

This is the part where I roll my eyes at Sean Reynolds' comment, and continue referencing your excellent article Tom.

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Wooly Rupert
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I respect the hell out of SKR; he's done some damn good stuff, and I very much went all fanboi on him when I met him at GenCon last year (he handed me a book I'd pre-ordered at the Monte Cook Games booth). That said, I've disagreed with some of his ideas more than once, and I don't think that language is a place where thing should be simplified.

Except for the way all D&D characters seem to be linguistic masters and know like 4 or 5 languages right off the bat. That's long seemed odd to me, though it could be because we 'Muricans () only speak one language, and a lot of us are pretty bad at that one.

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Wrigley
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2-3 languages are norm in europe. Also take in that lot of those characters have above average inteligence (that is why they have those bonus languages) or they learned them instead of other skills/proficiencies. You are also probably cosidering racial languages and common.
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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Wrigley

2-3 languages are norm in europe. Also take in that lot of those characters have above average inteligence (that is why they have those bonus languages) or they learned them instead of other skills/proficiencies. You are also probably cosidering racial languages and common.



But the flipside is that unless a character grows up in a major city, they're not going to have any access to those other languages... If your character is a former farmboy, and never saw anyone that wasn't human before leaving the farm, what are the odds that he knows how to speak, read and write in drow, elven, and infernal?

That's the weirdness, for me: regardless of background, everyone and their third cousin is multilingual, and are often fluent in languages they shouldn't have ever even heard.

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Wrigley
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That is up to DM to look over such nonsense. I deal with it by giving those languages as potential if it make no sense at the time so character can pick up some languages on the road. Player is not disadvantaged and it make sense.
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Lukas Kain
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Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold?
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 :  02:25:44  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold?



Well, the answer is pretty straightforward: Sarshel was one of the Racked. The Racked were paladins and priests of Ilmater that received special blessings and favors because it was "needful" from the point of view of that deity, usually in the context of some great quest, war or task. The Racked retained their vigor and strength (in effect immune to the effects of aging) well into their advanced years, but still "felt" all of those effects. In other words, Sarshel still had the strength and stamina of his youth, but it hurt like hell. Once Sarshel had completed his great task - the defeat of the Scaled Horde in the Fiend Wars - he lost his Racked status and swiftly succumbed to a host of age-related maladies, living on for only two more, painful years.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 :  20:21:02  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Hey George, I hope things are well. So I feel like I've seen this mentioned somewhere (I didn't find it though), but I've been curious about Sarshel the True. Near as I can tell he's human, which would put him in his early/mid-70s when he led the crusade and fought Ndulu. I'm just wondering what his whole deal is; what was he up to before he took up crusading? I pretty sure he's not home-grown Impilturan (I want to say Tethyr), and at 70ish he'd had to have been involved in many things before he became king of a nation that isn't his home.
How is it he maintains his physical prowess into such an advanced age? Does it have to do with being a paladin, or is he both naturally gifted and vigilant with his fitness a la Barristan the Bold?



Well, the answer is pretty straightforward: Sarshel was one of the Racked. The Racked were paladins and priests of Ilmater that received special blessings and favors because it was "needful" from the point of view of that deity, usually in the context of some great quest, war or task. The Racked retained their vigor and strength (in effect immune to the effects of aging) well into their advanced years, but still "felt" all of those effects. In other words, Sarshel still had the strength and stamina of his youth, but it hurt like hell. Once Sarshel had completed his great task - the defeat of the Scaled Horde in the Fiend Wars - he lost his Racked status and swiftly succumbed to a host of age-related maladies, living on for only two more, painful years.

-- George Krashos



George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 :  22:07:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.

That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers.
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering.
AHEM...

I'll have you know I'm 53, going on 54, and although I may not have the stamina of my youth, I still have much of my strength. The 'young girl' as you put it would feel blessed, believe you me.


Weird that this came up - my youngest turns 16 this year, and I've been considering getting remarried and having a couple more kids. I just don't know who the lucky woman I want to 'bless' is yet.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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George Krashos
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Posted - 18 Apr 2017 :  01:55:38  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.

That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers.



Aware indeed. Track down my dragon write up of Ouranalathra "the Mistmaiden" to see what I did with that reference.

Not very close. Closish geographically but there is no direct travel path between the two sites unless you are an expert mountaineer or can fly.

-- George Krashos

P.S. More kids?!? I admire your courage.

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Markustay
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

P.S. More kids?!? I admire your courage.

I've thought about it before, but I have to make sure I would be doing it for the right reasons.

I would also have to find the PERFECT person if I were ever to consider sharing my life with someone again, and since that is highly unlikely (especially at my age), right now its just a mental exercise, nothing more.

Having four boys, though, and seeing pictures of other people's beautiful daughters, I can't help but feel I missed something special, not have a 'daddy's girl'. On the other hand, I also see what my friends have gone through when their daughters became teenagers.

I have nieces... I'll probably continue to make do with that.

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Rivenhelm
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Posted - 09 May 2017 :  23:02:47  Show Profile Send Rivenhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
G-Kimmel,

Not to derail any ongoing thread here, but was wondering if you're still planning on making Gen Con this year? Not only is it celebrating 30 years of Gray Box goodness, but it's also 50 years old itself! It's looking very good for me to attend as my work schedule has lined up to allow me to try to attend in many many years, and it would be my first. Would be cool to see ya if you could make it. I'm sure it'll be something not to miss. Too bad Ed can't attend, but that is understandable. His imprint is always there.

Take Care,
R....
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George Krashos
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Originally posted by Rivenhelm

G-Kimmel,

Not to derail any ongoing thread here, but was wondering if you're still planning on making Gen Con this year? Not only is it celebrating 30 years of Gray Box goodness, but it's also 50 years old itself! It's looking very good for me to attend as my work schedule has lined up to allow me to try to attend in many many years, and it would be my first. Would be cool to see ya if you could make it. I'm sure it'll be something not to miss. Too bad Ed can't attend, but that is understandable. His imprint is always there.

Take Care,
R....



Unfortunately other people's travel plans have torpedoed my ability to get to GEN-CON this year. I'm unhappy about it as the milestones are significant, but alas it's not to be. I should be able to get there next year, but as with all such things it will depend on a range of factors. Thanks for sending a thought my way!

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

You're probably already aware of this, but while looking for something (in a non-OCR book... UGH!) I came across an entry in SotM about Malanthus Stormstaern, and its says he had a keep somewhere around the headwaters of the Fire River in the Earthfast Mountains.

That would put his buried (by an avalanche) Keep very close to - if not right beneath - the Citadel of Conjurers.
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

George, I'm gonna applaud that invention... the Racked... I like that idea and it so fits Ilmater. What better way to represent someone who "suffers so that others won't" than to have this guy feeling all the pain of being old and still going on to stop what he sees as being a problem for his people. He even pounded out a kid at 55 (that poor young girl :-) ), because well... he could. You know, I'd pretty much convinced myself that if I were in the realms the red knight would be my goddess, but now I'm wondering.
AHEM...

I'll have you know I'm 53, going on 54, and although I may not have the stamina of my youth, I still have much of my strength. The 'young girl' as you put it would feel blessed, believe you me.


Weird that this came up - my youngest turns 16 this year, and I've been considering getting remarried and having a couple more kids. I just don't know who the lucky woman I want to 'bless' is yet.



Lol, Mark, good luck with that. I'm almost 46 and my gf has an 8 year old. The idea of raising anything approaching another child is out the window.

Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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George Krashos
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Posted - 11 May 2017 :  06:02:32  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there.



Secrets of the Magister.

Oh, and I'm 47 and have a 7 year old. It's lots of fun as she is unashamedly daddy's princess. I might have gone again - have 3 - in my early 40s but likely not now.

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Sidenote: my head must be groggy? SotM.... the only thing coming to me is Sword of the Morning, which is Game of Thrones. What's that about? Oh, and good find on the entry. It would well fit the Citadel of the Conjurers if there was some kind of elementalist type near there.



Secrets of the Magister.

Oh, and I'm 47 and have a 7 year old. It's lots of fun as she is unashamedly daddy's princess. I might have gone again - have 3 - in my early 40s but likely not now.

-- George Krashos



Secrets of the Magister... damn, been a LONG time since I've looked at that, but it was a good product for its time. Thanks.


Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Rivenhelm
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Posted - 14 May 2017 :  06:33:35  Show Profile Send Rivenhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry to hear about that George!! I know you were looking forward to attending. Would have been cool to meet ya and chat, but things happen. I'm still not entirely sure I'll make it myself! Hope all is well with you, and that it's not something serious preventing you from going.

Take care,
R...
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dazzlerdal
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Hi George,

A rather in depth question im afraid inspired by my reading of a real world history book and trying to figure out how the governments of realms nations work.

This question is regarding the nobility and its relationship with royalty. Ill begin with the real world parallel first (i know that we shouldnt draw direct parallels, im just trying to figure out the why of realmsian government).

So in medieval times the king rules because he has divine right and its evil to fight against your king. Take that out of the equation and the reason nobles support the monarch is because that monarch gives them power and office to gather monies on his behalf and other duties that only landed nobility can perform.

That is all fine but what happens when you have a weak or unpopular monarch. Why arent there more rebellions.
First thought is the large standing army. However the monarch being in control of a standing army has been universally unpopular in all countries throughout medieval history because it is seen as tyranny and grants the monarch to much power.

This large army is present in cormyr and the anti monarch sentiment is kept in check by powerful royal blooded nobility as well as by the mage royal.

So what is it in impiltur that prevents more uprisings and rebellions during weak monarchs (such as now with a child king).


Also if you are developing Damara will it be having a royal army or will it be a more traditional feudal nation (which is surprisingly lacking in the realms)

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George Krashos
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Posted - 03 Jul 2017 :  15:04:43  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what is it with Impiltur that prevents more uprisings and rebellions during weak monarchs (such as now with a child king)?

Good question. As you've noted, Impiltur doesn't have a large army, a phenomenon which dates back to the time of King Lashilmbrar who was a paranoid sort and didn't want any potential weapon available to his (perceived) foes to use against him. A pure military takeover of the realm would be difficult, simply because of the kingdom's geography and the fact that the standing army is spread widely throughout the kingdom. Separated into three groupings, you would have to subvert all three at the same time to control the kingdom in totality - a very difficult task indeed.

So rebellion. Impiltur has had its fair share through the ages. Even in recent history we have the mini-revolt of Ilmara's consort Rilaun and the much more significant actions of the "Traitor Prince" Thaum of Telflamm. The establishment of the Lords of Imphras II and the Order of the Shrike has brought significant order and internal security to the realm since the accession of King Rilimbrar. The Lords are active within many levels of authority, keep a tight rein on the Constables and Heralds who do the local governing, and remain ever-vigilant in terms of any threats to the realm, external and internal.

Then of course, there are the Crownstars. Essentially the "secret police" of the kingdom, the Crownstars operate widely and afford the throne significant ongoing intelligence regarding what is happening in the kingdom, even in its farflung reaches.

Outside the authority of the Crown we have a group of nobles - old blood and new blood - who are not disaffected. Many of the new blood families have ties of blood and service with the Heltharns, while the old blood families understand that many of their familial origins are rooted in devastating events in the realm's history (the Fiend Wars, the Kingless Years, etc.) which wiped out as many families as were later elevated. A strong monarchy is a shield against such happenings in the future and they know all too well that the kingdom continues to face many perils. The lurking threat of demonic activity is an age-old bugbear that unifies the citizens of Impiltur, royal, noble and commoner alike and that coupled with the ever-present threat of the hobgoblins in the northern mountains make folk of power think twice about inciting revolt and rebellion.

The demise of several boy kings and the longer than expected rule of the Queen-Regent Sambryl has set tongues wagging over the decades as well as spun more than a few plots, but there is no feeling in the kingdom generally that the Heltharns are stale or ineffective rulers. The issues regarding the succession have only reinforced to the general populace that the realm is beset by foes and that only unity and common purpose can see them endure. This ties in with the teachings of the Triad which as the quasi-state religion indoctrinates much of the population in terms of its thinking on most topics from day to day.

So, basically, the significant majority of the folk of Impiltur regard the monarchy positively and are not of the view that a change in "who rules" will benefit the kingdom and them, more importantly. That's not to say that there aren't disaffected nobles, traitors and rebels within Impiltur, but the reality is that there is little prospect of them doing any lasting or permanent change to the power structure of the kingdom.

As for Damara, the politics of that place are well set out in FR9 The Bloodstone Lands. How King Gareth has managed to consolidate and unify the disparate factions and groups of his kingdom says much about his diplomatic skills and his ability to bring people together. I see Damara as very reliant on King Gareth - with him gone, I can see the realm destabilising swiftly unless another charismatic, strong leader can emerge quickly. I see Damara's army as more feudal initially but with Gareth setting up a system akin to the gendarmes d'ordonnance of medieval France where troops were raised by company commanders personally loyal to the king. This creates a parallel authority structure to that of the nobility and gives the monarchy exclusive control of the realm's military.

I hope this has been helpful.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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dazzlerdal
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As always an excellent and well conceived answer, and im glad that it boils down to the timing is not right. If it were a different king who was much maligned and weaker then rebellion is possible (as it always should). I had thought impiltur had a large army but that was probanly just my misconception. Looking forward to finding out more about the crownstars and who they serve (the lords or the king and how that has changed over the years).

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Hi George,

Just had a random thought regarding your excellent article; Jergal Lord of the End of Everything.

In it you create a link between the mighty Imaskar magic and the Nether Scrolls. Now whether inadvertent or not this means that two thirds of every human, major magical empire was influenced by the Nether scrolls (Netheril and all its successors, and Imaskar and all its successors).

That leaves only one major human empire unaccounted for that was also suddenly skyrocketed to success and magical supremacy in a few (comparatively short) centuries: Jhaamdath.

Have you thought of how one might link Jhaamdath to the Nether Scrolls. I was originally thinking the stolen set of Nether Scrolls could be used with Jhaamdath, but unfortunately the Udoxias (which seem obviously the Jhaamdath transformed version of the scrolls) were created before Netheril.

That leaves either the Jhaam received the scrolls before the Netherese, or something else.

Any thoughts

And it may just be me but I do not regard psionics as different from magic. Ed originally made wild talents just an inherent magical ability (like a sorcerer has but with less mastery and control). Perhaps the Jhaamdath were infused with magic and spread this genetic magic talent across the realms but also the most successful families had a more mind magic orientated.
I also coined a Jhaam language explanation "Psion" (pronounced Sune) means magic, and cist (pronounced kissed) means talent. Which got basta*dised into psionicist in common (and mispronounced) but the Netherese word (sorcerer) is much more prevalent and widely used so psionicist is now associated only with mind magic.
Not a rules compatible explanation I know but I don't use D&D rules.


So any thoughts?

I was personally reaching for the discovery of some prototype baetith creation found or perhaps a tomb containing the bodies of those that became the nether scrolls. Something that was an early version of the scrolls or a byproduct of its creation.

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Posted - 08 Jul 2017 :  06:51:00  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I haven't crystallised my thoughts re Jhaamdath just quite yet, but just like Mulhorand and Unther, I consider that there is a significant amount of historical back-filling required, both internally and externally. I don't think that the Nether Scrolls have a role to play here but the prevalence of the "Invisible Art" (my Realms doesn't use the term "psionics") has to be explained somehow. I'd always thought I'd get to this eventually - in terms of trying to come up with some history and an explanation - but that won't be for quite a while yet. What triggers the "Invisible Art" hotspot here: illithids, psionic dragons (i.e. gem dragons), something "external" to the Realms ... well, there are lots of options. One thing is clear in my mind though: Laszik Silvermind wasn't human.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 08 Jul 2017 :  08:13:23  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I figured it would be fitting if those accelerated magical empires all suffered the fate that jergal had designed for the sarrukh and phaerimm.

I do like the idea of the jhaamdath nobility being part something else and that the prevalence of inherent magical abilities in chondathan bloodlines is magical genetics (maginetics).

Someone on the keep had noticed that there are large part devil and demon bloodlinea in FR but almost no angelic bloodlines. But of course jhaamdath isnt good so they couldnt possibly be angelic.

Then there is of course the question. If the nobility werent wholly human but their abilities have proliferated through chondathan bloodlines why havent any non human traits.

Perhaps lazlik was human but also something else like a possessing spirit or parasite. If possessing spirit then it must have possessed royalty for millennia and children born of that possession gained inherent abilities and their children and so on.
If a parasite what eradicated the infestation?

Now what angel is evil, hates elves, and known as a great manipulator and is probably capable of possession and has been involved in faerun for millennia.


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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Jul 2017 :  08:14:58  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The history of toiletries in Impiltur has a unique and essential fundamental base: the fruit of the stubby, evergreen sibar tree, thought to be an adapted offshoot of the garal tree found throughout the Vilhon Reach and the Old Empires. It was brought to the lands of the Easting Reach by Jhaamdathi settlers over a thousand years ago, and they kept it tightly pruned and cropped short as a defence against the colder climate of these more northern lands. Over time, the tree developed a tougher bark to combat the winters and went into a dormant phase over the coldest months, its normally dark green ovoid leaves taking on a darker, almost purple shade before resuming their normal coloration with the Spring.

Always rare (as the trees produce fruit only every second year - the garal fruits every year in the South), the purple sibar fruit produces a light, sweet-smelling oil when pressed - the fruit has a pit - that has seen use for centuries as the base for cosmetics, perfumes and soap. The scent of sibar oil has been variously described as "fresh" and "citrus" and when aged "warm" and "smooth". The scent of the sibar is long-lasting and heady in its concentrated form.

The greatest concentration of sibar trees can be found around Lyrabar and along the coast as far east as Hlammach. A few sibar groves exist outside of Impiltur, one notable one near Tsurlagol that claims to be "an original planting", but the tree struggles to fruit in climes from the Moonsea northwards. Similarly, the tree does not self-pollinate and the ratio of "male" to "female" trees is roughly 1:8 so transplanting the tree or growing it from seeds can be a challenging exercise. The tale of the merchant Paragard of Thesk who planted a huge sibar orchard near Phsant over a century ago from seed is cautionary. He had the ill fortune to have a very low ratio of male trees propagate meaning that after waiting a decade for the trees to mature, he was able to harvest fruit only once in every 5 years or so, leading to the eventual loss of his wealth and business.

A "hand" of sibar fruit (the weights and measures used in the lands of the Easting Reach is a topic to be delved into on another day) will cost an individual some 3-5gp, while a "tilik" of the purest oil can fetch upwards of 50gp. It remains an expensive and sought-after commodity, and has spawned an industry for high-end toiletries in Impiltur that sees them exported around the Inner Sea. The industry has also brought to the fore several celebrities such as the perfumer Gandryl "Fairbreeze" Olantrim of Lyrabar and the "fleshmason" Irindrar Eversun of that same city whose skill at creating and applying cosmetics sees his services in constant demand from the female nobility of the realm and on occasion, the Queen-Regent herself.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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