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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 08 Jul 2017 :  11:20:57  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Glad to see you back to doing my favourite stuff, the everyday living in the realms.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Jul 2017 :  12:06:31  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, it was a special request by Markustay ...

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Rivenhelm
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Posted - 18 Jul 2017 :  03:13:22  Show Profile Send Rivenhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry to hear about that George!! I know you were looking forward to attending. Would have been cool to meet ya and chat, but things happen. I'm still not entirely sure I'll make it myself! Hope all is well with you, and that it's not something serious preventing you from going.

Take care,
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George Krashos
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Posted - 19 Jul 2017 :  01:20:20  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rivenhelm

Sorry to hear about that George!! I know you were looking forward to attending. Would have been cool to meet ya and chat, but things happen. I'm still not entirely sure I'll make it myself! Hope all is well with you, and that it's not something serious preventing you from going.

Take care,
R...



Nothing serious, just other people's travel plans! I'm hoping to get to GENCON next year. Fingers crossed.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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lsls
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Posted - 20 Jul 2017 :  08:59:04  Show Profile Send lsls a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George,

I have just finished your Jergal article and enjoy it very much.

In the article you mentioned the lich-king Thanar,Realm of Cold Death and Clan Runeaxe(I supposed it was a dwarf clan).Can you provide more information about them?

I'm lsls not isis :)
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George Krashos
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Posted - 20 Jul 2017 :  11:30:33  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lsls

Hi George,

I have just finished your Jergal article and enjoy it very much.

In the article you mentioned the lich-king Thanar,Realm of Cold Death and Clan Runeaxe(I supposed it was a dwarf clan).Can you provide more information about them?



The information regarding the lich-king Thanar, the Realm of Cold Death and Clan Runeaxe was work undertaken by Eric Boyd and myself as a spin-off from his Under Illefarn Anew project, mentioned here at the 'Keep a time or two. As part of that offshoot project, which delved into the history of the High Forest and its environs, we mapped out some historical detail for Delzoun, Sharrven, Siluvanede and Eaerlann. Thanar et al was part of that.

It's non-canon, and given that it was mostly Eric Boyd's brainchild, I'm not a liberty to divulge anything more. It might see the light of day in time to come. I'm trying to find the time to update my North Timeline with a view to releasing it on the DMs Guild, which would incorporate a lot of that stuff, but ... so many projects, so little time ...

Take the references and spin them into realmslore that suits you and your game/vision of the Realms. It's what we did, and your version would be just as good as ours. Cheers.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Duneth Despana
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Posted - 21 Jul 2017 :  09:54:43  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is there anywhere to get my hands on these two articles of yours while we wait for them to be re-hosted by Ed? http://realmssecretariat.com/gauntlgrym/ & http://realmssecretariat.com/jergal/ . Maybe there's a spot in Alaundo's Library for them? Thanks for the wonderful lore!

« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 21 Jul 2017 :  12:30:46  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George

I just read through Dragon 346 and noticed a reference to the Artstave of Alithar. Is this the same Alithar in your Jergal article?

If so nice easter egg. I wonder now wonder how long you had been working on the Jergal/Netheril stuff.


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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 21 Jul 2017 :  16:48:17  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George,

I was just musing after reading dragon 346 further and your impiltur article.

It seems like Prince Thaum's nephew (is it Imphras IV, i cant remember) has a lot of potential for intrigue.

Does he have any influence at court or among the lords of imphras or even among the nobles and merchants.
Does anyone have access to him personally (or by proxy via agents or remotely using magic).
Are there any plotting to use him in their machinations. It strikes me that if the current king and queen regent were found unfit then the crown prince would be a valuable asset to have in your counsel and debt.

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  01:00:07  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George

I just read through Dragon 346 and noticed a reference to the Artstave of Alithar. Is this the same Alithar in your Jergal article?

If so nice easter egg. I wonder now wonder how long you had been working on the Jergal/Netheril stuff.





It's nice when people pay attention.

Oh and I've been working on many things. For decades in some instances.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  01:06:22  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George,

I was just musing after reading dragon 346 further and your impiltur article.

It seems like Prince Thaum's nephew (is it Imphras IV, i cant remember) has a lot of potential for intrigue.

Does he have any influence at court or among the lords of imphras or even among the nobles and merchants.
Does anyone have access to him personally (or by proxy via agents or remotely using magic).
Are there any plotting to use him in their machinations. It strikes me that if the current king and queen regent were found unfit then the crown prince would be a valuable asset to have in your counsel and debt.



Well maybe, except for the fact that he's dead. And he was Thaum's son, not nephew. He died with King Rilimbrar. To legitimise Sambryl's ascension as "Queen-Regent" he was adjudged to have died AFTER Rilimbrar, therefore making him king and Sambryl queen and then installing her as regent. The Impilturian monarchy follows a male succession except when there are no male heirs (which has happened a few times). When a male appears, that individual becomes the titular monarch in a ceremony called the Forecrowning, but power is invested in the regency until that male turns 16, when they rule in their own right. Clear as mud? Thought so.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 22 Jul 2017 01:32:50
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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  01:31:53  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Duneth Despana

Is there anywhere to get my hands on these two articles of yours while we wait for them to be re-hosted by Ed? http://realmssecretariat.com/gauntlgrym/ & http://realmssecretariat.com/jergal/ . Maybe there's a spot in Alaundo's Library for them? Thanks for the wonderful lore!



PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send them to you.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Kentinal
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  01:33:58  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
The Impilturian monarchy follows a male succession except when there are no male heirs (which has happened a few times). When a male appears, that infividual become the titular monarch in a ceremony called the Forecrowning, but power is invested in the regency until that male turns 16, when they rule in their own right. Clear as mud? Thought so.

-- George Krashos



This entreats me, the female rules until a male appears. Is the male the female's descendant or can cousins or others of same generation provide the male?

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  09:39:35  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
This entreats me, the female rules until a male appears. Is the male the female's descendant or can cousins or others of same generation provide the male?



Others of the same or later generations count. All they have to be is male, of the royal bloodline and next in the line of succession. The Heltharns of Impiltur have a very tangled web of successors given that Imphras II married twice and had 7 sons.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  10:49:24  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ooh. So if the boy king were to die (or be deposed for madness or treason) then things could get very interesting.

Could we pretty please have a spotlight on some other living members of the royal lineage when you have a few hours free. It would be nice to see what intrigues are ongoing that may involve these claimants (whether they know it or not)

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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  13:59:03  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Ooh. So if the boy king were to die (or be deposed for madness or treason) then things could get very interesting.

Could we pretty please have a spotlight on some other living members of the royal lineage when you have a few hours free. It would be nice to see what intrigues are ongoing that may involve these claimants (whether they know it or not)



This information has been posted earlier in this thread but it is repeated and consolidated for ease of reference:

Queen-Regent Sambryl is the ruling monarch of the realm. She is queen because she married her traitorous cousin Imphras IV (who was king in name only and due to the circumstances of his demise only so for a titular moment in time), and regent because she was forced into the role when Imphras IV died and there were no male Heltharns in the succession who were 16 years of age and could rule in their own right.

When Rilimbrar and Imphras IV died at the same time, it was thought by the Lords, the Mage Royal and the most senior and trusted nobles that Sambryl had to stay on as Regent for continuity, given the love held for her father by the people of the realm. It was originally intended that she would be freed from her burden of duty when Imphras IV died and a new Heltharn scion placed on the throne, but it didn't quite pan out that way.

I should note that Impiltur has a rather unique system in that it doesn't allow child monarchs; well, not in the classic sense of the word. To rule you need to be 16. That's when you have your formal coronation and are declared king (or more rarely queen). Before that, if you are not of age, you are marked for kingship by a ceremony known as the Forecrowning (and if you don't get to 16 years of age are marked down as rightful king and placed in the lineage on a retroactive basis) but you have no power at all and do not wear the Crown of Narfell, even on full ceremonial occasions. Instead they wear the Crown of Tears, created at the request of King Erynd for his son Nord in 787 DR.

Sambryl does indeed want to relinquish her regency - she never wanted the job in the first place - but she has been the target of an extremely subtle and concerted campaign of subversion and manipulation by Soneillon, which has messed around with her mind a bit. Depending on what power Soneillon can bring to bear at the time Imbrar comes to the throne, it may turn Sambryl into an unwitting tool of the demonic forces she has battled for so long to keep at bay.

As for he sense of unity among the Council of Lords, II wouldn't describe it as quickly disappearing, but there are more and more points of conflict between the Lords now than there were at the time of their inception. The original group were tasked with solemn and holy oaths of service by Rilimbrar himself, and knew full well the burden and importance of their task. As members have died, their replacements, whilst taking the same holy oaths, have approached the role with a more pragmatic, business-like function, which has caused friction with the old timers. This is because the newer Lords have sought to create an environment where their service won't end with the accession of Imbrar but they will still retain and wield power in the king's name. The old Lords are ready to relinquish power as soon as the regency ends and a true king of Impiltur is on the throne.

That situation coupled with the fact that Soneillon has "done her thing" with a few of the Lords (I'll leave it to you to choose - gives you more flexibility for your campaign), means that cordial relationships and a sense of common purpose are now no longer the case for the Lords as a collective. They all agree on their big picture place and role, but there are significant divisions on how they see their positions, both now and in the future, playing out in real terms. The devil (or in this case the demon) is in the detail.

Soneillon works through a myriad of small items, spell effects and 'transient' charmed individuals to manipulate and subtly control individuals in Impiltur. Her method can best be described as seeking to control emotions and responses, rather than creating puppets enslaved to her will. Whilst the latter brute force method works with the hobgoblins and tribes of Narfell, experience has taught her that lasting results in Impiltur can only be achieved by creating a web of manipulation and control that relies on guiding and predicting responses and emotions.

The term "transient' charmed above denotes her knowledge and mastery of spells that control or manipulate others in very specific ways. The charms in question trigger similarly to effects such as the 'magic mouth' spell, and more importantly do not 'show' on individuals until triggered (i.e. a person affected by one of these 'hung and waiting to be triggered' charm effects does not radiate magic or register to any divination spell seeking to ascertain magic control. Nothing short of a 'wish' will reveal that someone is under the effect of these types of spells.

Her immediate plans revolve around slaying both Sambryl and Imbrar at the same time, hoping that she can influence and manipulate events in the short term to put one of her puppets on the throne. Imbrar is the last male in the Velimbrar line. Should he die, then the patriarchal lineage reverts to the line of Fylraun, the last of the sons of Imphras II and the source of the current Lords. Fylraun had two daughters and only one son, Elphras (named for his uncle who died childless). The line of Elphras has no direct patriarchal line, as he had three daughters (known to all as the "Dowager Aunts"). It is these three daughters who are the mothers of the original Lords of Imphras II.

So in the current succession, the next in line for the throne is actually Lord Delimbrar of the Council of Lords. He has therefore been a target of Soneillon and she is seeking out ways of bringing him under her web of control.

Hope that helps you get a better understanding of the politics and machinations of power in Impiltur.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 22 Jul 2017 14:01:12
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  16:18:06  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thats perfect. Im thinking of leaving Haelimbrar as one of the few non tainted lords but he is going slightly unhinged with paranoia because he believes demons are trying to corrupt him to evil (possibly true) but no one else believes him and so he suspects them all.

I do love the intricate webs you are weaving in impiltur. Apologies if i keep asking similar questions, im very forgetful.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 22 Jul 2017 :  17:58:19  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey George, in a personal view, how much do you think the fracturing of the current Lords of Imphras II has to do with racial bias and/or religious tenets/dogma? I specifically started thinking about it based on the layout of your Dragon 346 article. I'm kind of picturing the original Lords of Imphras as all of the same religious "direction" (i.e. all worshipping either one member of the Triad or the Triad as a whole, but basically confined to those 3 deities). This seems to have started changing. For instance, I know that there are a human female follower of Sune and a human male follower of Helm in your article. There are also two half-elves, which implies a relatively recent marriage or marriages by effectively lesser royalty of the realm to non-humans. By the way, do you see these two half-elves as being brothers? I note that one of the two "dislikes the court" and would prefer gallavanting with the soldiers. Could this be because of some unintentional, misunderstood, or even misperceived racial bias? In fact, I'd really just be interested in this whole half-elf population.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Jul 2017 :  00:55:28  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Hey George, in a personal view, how much do you think the fracturing of the current Lords of Imphras II has to do with racial bias and/or religious tenets/dogma? I specifically started thinking about it based on the layout of your Dragon 346 article. I'm kind of picturing the original Lords of Imphras as all of the same religious "direction" (i.e. all worshipping either one member of the Triad or the Triad as a whole, but basically confined to those 3 deities). This seems to have started changing. For instance, I know that there are a human female follower of Sune and a human male follower of Helm in your article. There are also two half-elves, which implies a relatively recent marriage or marriages by effectively lesser royalty of the realm to non-humans. By the way, do you see these two half-elves as being brothers? I note that one of the two "dislikes the court" and would prefer gallavanting with the soldiers. Could this be because of some unintentional, misunderstood, or even misperceived racial bias? In fact, I'd really just be interested in this whole half-elf population.



I had no choice regarding making two of the Lords Sune and Helm worshippers respectively (although the Sune aspect does assist greatly in dealing with a lore snafu regarding gender that arose as in Unapproachable East where the designers made Rilaunyr a female (p.191) - I've checked with Ed, and he advises that there are Sunite rituals that involve changing gender) as Richard Lee Byers made that call - respectfully, without really thinking that decision through - in his "Rage of Dragon" novel trilogy. Similarly, UE also made Lord Silaunbrar a half-elf, so again, I had no choice but to roll with the punches.

But, in the words of the esteemed Eric Boyd, lore gaffes aren't a problem they are (mostly) an opportunity. As noted above, the make-up of the Council has changed and with that infusion of young blood, a different focus from some of the members as spelled out above. I think that there is a religious tension to a degree, which accentuates the differences between the old guard and the new, but I don't consider that this tension has a racial aspect to it. None of the half-elven members of the Council worship elven gods and the elves of the Grey Forest have been firm allies of Impiltur for centuries. I've toyed with writing up a "Fall of Myth Drannor"-style piece on the attack of the hobgoblins in 1095 DR - until of course I realised that all that work was unlikely to have all that much utility for anyone - which would have noted the elven assistance provided to the Heltharns in that campaign (as noted in my post of 21/12/15 on p.34 of this thread). The humans respect the (dwindling) elven presence in the Grey Forest but pay heed also to the fact that it is a place of ancient magic, danger in some places and acts as a decent natural barrier/defence to the western flank of the kingdom. So they let it be.

While Impiltur is humanocentric - and respectfully, my view is that Ed has always viewed the Realms in this fashion also - that doesn't mean that other races aren't tolerated. Tolerance is one of the central tenets of the Triad. But Impiltur is naturally xenophobic - no matter your race - so it is a careful balance between religious attitudes on the one hand, and social mores on the other. The Lords are no different than the general population in this regard. The half-elves of the realm (and there is a decent population) are not usually the subject of racial bias. The exception to that is if they are "outlanders", when attitudes are somewhat negative.

I delved into this a bit with Elaine Cunningham when she asked me for some input into her Liriel short story "Answered Prayers" in her "Best of ..." short story compilation years ago. She did a great job of highlighting the issues elves and outlanders might deal with in Impiltur.

-- George Krashos

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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Jul 2017 :  00:58:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I do love the intricate webs you are weaving in impiltur. Apologies if i keep asking similar questions, im very forgetful.



I've been working on Impiltur as an area of focus for some 15 years and I still make errors and have to go back and fix stuff. My compilation of Impiltur musings here at the Keep runs to about 36 A4 pages, so that's a lot of lore!

-- George Krashos

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 23 Jul 2017 :  13:09:29  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think an arcane age article on the region would be very useful to those looking to develop the region in future.

D&D ( and by association the realms) will not be plug and play and lore lite forever. Its all cyclical. 30 years ago it was plug and play adventures, then people wanted more depth to their games.

If tge realms survives your stuff will be useful again soon enough. And if not i will treasure it like holy scripture regardless.

In othee words, please do it. I promise i will read it and use it.

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Zeromaru X
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Well, from my part, I really liked your High History of Impiltur. It transformed another entry in the campaign book into a living and interesting place that help me to understand a little bit more of the Realms. IHMO, this kind of material is really helpful to those of us who discovered the Realms in its current incarnation, and missed a lot of its original incarnation.

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

Well, from my part, I really liked your High History of Impiltur. It transformed another entry in the campaign book into a living and interesting place that help me to understand a little bit more of the Realms. IHMO, this kind of material is really helpful to those of us who discovered the Realms in its current incarnation, and missed a lot of its original incarnation.



+1. I joined towards the end of 4e, and finding older material is hard. Works like the High History of Impliltur really help adding depth to the setting for us.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Hey George, in a personal view, how much do you think the fracturing of the current Lords of Imphras II has to do with racial bias and/or religious tenets/dogma? I specifically started thinking about it based on the layout of your Dragon 346 article. I'm kind of picturing the original Lords of Imphras as all of the same religious "direction" (i.e. all worshipping either one member of the Triad or the Triad as a whole, but basically confined to those 3 deities). This seems to have started changing. For instance, I know that there are a human female follower of Sune and a human male follower of Helm in your article. There are also two half-elves, which implies a relatively recent marriage or marriages by effectively lesser royalty of the realm to non-humans. By the way, do you see these two half-elves as being brothers? I note that one of the two "dislikes the court" and would prefer gallavanting with the soldiers. Could this be because of some unintentional, misunderstood, or even misperceived racial bias? In fact, I'd really just be interested in this whole half-elf population.



I had no choice regarding making two of the Lords Sune and Helm worshippers respectively (although the Sune aspect does assist greatly in dealing with a lore snafu regarding gender that arose as in Unapproachable East where the designers made Rilaunyr a female (p.191) - I've checked with Ed, and he advises that there are Sunite rituals that involve changing gender) as Richard Lee Byers made that call - respectfully, without really thinking that decision through - in his "Rage of Dragon" novel trilogy. Similarly, UE also made Lord Silaunbrar a half-elf, so again, I had no choice but to roll with the punches.

But, in the words of the esteemed Eric Boyd, lore gaffes aren't a problem they are (mostly) an opportunity. As noted above, the make-up of the Council has changed and with that infusion of young blood, a different focus from some of the members as spelled out above. I think that there is a religious tension to a degree, which accentuates the differences between the old guard and the new, but I don't consider that this tension has a racial aspect to it. None of the half-elven members of the Council worship elven gods and the elves of the Grey Forest have been firm allies of Impiltur for centuries. I've toyed with writing up a "Fall of Myth Drannor"-style piece on the attack of the hobgoblins in 1095 DR - until of course I realised that all that work was unlikely to have all that much utility for anyone - which would have noted the elven assistance provided to the Heltharns in that campaign (as noted in my post of 21/12/15 on p.34 of this thread). The humans respect the (dwindling) elven presence in the Grey Forest but pay heed also to the fact that it is a place of ancient magic, danger in some places and acts as a decent natural barrier/defence to the western flank of the kingdom. So they let it be.

While Impiltur is humanocentric - and respectfully, my view is that Ed has always viewed the Realms in this fashion also - that doesn't mean that other races aren't tolerated. Tolerance is one of the central tenets of the Triad. But Impiltur is naturally xenophobic - no matter your race - so it is a careful balance between religious attitudes on the one hand, and social mores on the other. The Lords are no different than the general population in this regard. The half-elves of the realm (and there is a decent population) are not usually the subject of racial bias. The exception to that is if they are "outlanders", when attitudes are somewhat negative.

I delved into this a bit with Elaine Cunningham when she asked me for some input into her Liriel short story "Answered Prayers" in her "Best of ..." short story compilation years ago. She did a great job of highlighting the issues elves and outlanders might deal with in Impiltur.

-- George Krashos



Yeah, we had discussed the gender change in the past, and I like what you talked about with Sune and a ritual.... though it could simply be a girdle of femininity/masculinity and bad luck. I think it was Rilaunyr (don't feel like pulling up the article). I had not realized the part about someone else turning one of the lords into a half-elf though, so good research on that part.

You know, as you write about the Grey Forest, yeah, I think that would be an interesting article to hear more of. I know Impiltur has good ties to both a dwarven and an elven population, but I can't recall hearing much about either (though the lore begins to spin in my head after some time).

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Phillip aka Sleyvas
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The Lords of Imphras II reside in Seaside Palace, which is joined to a covered wharf complex housing the ships of the Warsails. Other major buildings and sites within the Ward include Thorntower, the home of the Holy Order of the Sacred Shrike... <snip>
Trying to find out more about this, and the only thing i found was this, which is the original of what I already had.

Any info on that group? I want to make sure I put the Thorntower in an appropriate place.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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