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crazedventurers
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Posted - 03 Oct 2012 :  12:35:39  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on money matters in Cormyr

Cheers

Damian
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As King Palaghard II of Cormyr once famously said, “Coins are what matter. And to earn coins, one needs roads—or the love of Umberlee.”

More on this and other Cormyte money matters can be found here
http://wizards.com/dnd/files/excerpts/excerpts_greenwoodfr_4.pdf

(ps if a mod wants to do the special linky thing to the wizards site then feel free!)

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 03 Oct 2012 :  15:00:16  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More from Ed on Azoun Obarskyr, the fourth to hold that name

Cheers

Damian

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He was. Azoun was as rebellious a youth as any, and so inclined to fight with Vangerdahast (his main tutor). However, Azoun was very bright, and always open to new ideas - - increasingly open-minded as the years passed, and always willing to listen to new ideas from any source (particularly as he saw the increasing ossification of the senior nobility of the realm). Vangey and Azoun's wife, Queen Filfaeril, saw this, and brought various purveyors of new ideas (and insightful "intelligence" about the wider world) into contact with Azoun, so he received a steady flow of new ideas, and developed a very broadminded attitude.
Although non-human gentry and nobility were uncommon (Azoun wasn't in the business of forcibly marrying anyone to anyone else), they did appear in Cormyr's military in increasing numbers, on merit - - and that very merit eventually, in the widest sense rather than on the individual attitude to another individual level, made them accepted.
More when I can grab the time. Sorry. VERY busy right now.


So saith Ed. (And when Ed says he's very busy, the rest of us would call it "insanely busy" or some such.)
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 08 Oct 2012 :  16:23:56  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
George Krashos on the Everhand family

Cheers

Damian

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That list wasn't mine. It was done by a guy called Bryon Wischstadt - a longtime FR devotee in the old REALMS-L days.

The "?" is because the information Bryon was drawing from was an early version of the Cormyr Lineage, one that is not as fleshed out and complete as it is today thanks to the ministrations of others, Garen Thal in particular.

Torst Evenhand was the husband and Prince-Consort of Queen Besmra of Cormyr. He was a common-born individual from Westgate and married her before she came to the throne. When they returned to Cormyr, he was ennobled for the fact that he was married to a now-queen, but did not create a noble family of his own.

Their three sons all ruled as kings of Cormyr and their story is told in part in my GHotR vignette titled "A Day of Three Kings" (289 DR) on p.70 of that book.

The Evenhands may still exist in Westgate and possibly have a presence in Cormyr, but in my view would not be a noble family.

Hope that has been helpful.

-- George Krashos

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 29 Nov 2012 :  17:38:25  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on keeping monsters as pets in Cormyr

Cheers

Damian
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Heeeere's Ed!

Hi, Damian. Yes, there are collectors of unusual/exotic creatures AND monsters in Cormyr. A few wizards keep a monster or two for fending off intruders, and Marsember and the northwestern shore of the Wyvernwater both have rich merchants with a thing for prowling predators (in the walled grounds of their estates), but there are at least a dozen nobles - - of COURSE it's the nobles ;} - - who have menageries of dangerous as well as exotic pets. They show them off to noble guests (and sometimes to non-nobles they're trying to impress/frighten).
Yes, there are rules re. beasts in Suzail: they must be on leash (one to a handler, so no "one poor guy holding three tigers hecan't possibly control") or (if used to pull a conveyance) in harness. Other than that, no publicly-known "blanket" rules (or laws) yet; it seems the Royal Court is meeting with individual owners to work out individual agreements on such matters. (It is of course understood that the Royal Magician has an overriding decree on everyone except Obarskyr royalty re. keeping any beast, using "public safety" as a rationale. In practice, if you're liked at the Royal Palace and can give good reasons for having a critter, you're okay; if not and not: no. :})
Hope this helps!
Ed

So saith Ed, who is the biggest beast in his house. He does have a cat...or perhaps the cat has him.
love,
THO


So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 17 Dec 2012 :  12:57:59  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on the Thond's of Cormyr (with additions about others Thonds!)

Cheers

Damian
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Hi again, all! I bring swift replies from Ed to xaeyruudh.
X: "Is there a connection between Jhalassan Thond (contact for the Guild of Glassblowers, Glaziers, & Speculum-Makers in Waterdeep) or Srusstakur Thond (Master Mapmaker and author of Know and Vanquish Thy Foe) and Arabel's House of Thond?"
Ed: Yes. They all share a surname, and are (probably, way back) related, although the "Thond" surname, derived from shortening "Thongolir" (a place name for a vanished place and the family that dwelt in it), or from "thondal" (an Old Common term for a maker of slings, bowstrings, and leather tie-thongs), or from the ancient Southern explorer-hero Thondar, or from the old Tethyrian family of "Amalathond," arose in several distinct places, borne by different unrelated humans.
The first Thond you list is part of an old Waterdhavian family, that so far as I (and they) know is not related to the second Thond you list (his Thond family is or was scattered throughout Amn, Tethyr, and the Tashalar), nor to the third (the "House of Thond" in Arabel was founded more than a century back by Jamalathar Thond, who fled mercantile disputes in Sembia to settle in Arabel).

X: "On a related note, how far affield do Arabel's merchant houses range? I don't recall seeing them having bases in the other cities of Cormyr, but Peraphon (Thond) winters in Hillsfar. I assume agents of the other Houses are placed in various key cities too?"
Ed: Arabel's merchant houses do indeed have agents dwelling in such places as Hillsfar, Yhaunn, Procampur, Lyrabar, and various other Inner Sea ports, as well as traveling traders. They usually range as far west as Berdusk, as far north as Melvaunt, as far east as Aglarond, and as far south as the Vilhon - - but the bulk of their trade is centered on the Moonsea and providing an alternative (to Sembia) route west (halfway to the Sword Coast, i.e. Berdusk) for Moonsea lumber, furs, ores, and especially refined metals and cast metal goods (in return for various preserved foodstuffs, such as spiced alcoholic jams, that dwellers in the Moonsea North can use to vary and improve the taste of meats, turnips, and other locally-sourced food.

X: "And an afterthought... do the members of the merchant house typically take the house name as their own (in the manner of "Jhalassan Thond" whether or not he's related) or is there more like "Peraphon of Thond" or "Somebody of the House of Bhela"?"
Ed: The latter. The energetic, far-traveled merchant Ilmer Melthanton, a member of the House of Thond much seen passing through the Dales, is colloquially "Melthanton of Thond" and more formally "Saer Melthanton of the House of Thond."

So saith Ed. Swiftly answering easy but useful-to-many Realmslore questions, to bring cheer to us all.
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 24 Dec 2012 :  20:34:09  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on the Steel Regent's Riders of Cormyr

Enjoy

Cheers

Damian
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Hi, Matthew! Yes, there have been a few Faerûnian cavalry units as well-trained as this. In the 1380s, notably, the forty-some-strong Steel Regent's Riders of Cormyr, a mixed band of nobility and common-born Purple Dragons trained by adventurers personally loyal to Alusair. Their mounts could "go down" in swift and tidy unison without breaking their riders' legs to minimize the damage of hostile arrow volleys, and to allow their riders (who weren't good horse archers) to themselves use longbows or crossbows against foes.
The horses were also trained to circle back (if separated in battle from their riders) to look for their usual riders, to accept other riders from the unit on their backs, to accept riders arriving on their backs with sudden violence (i.e. leaping, in the heart of a wild fray), to "stand" when confronted with bursts of flame and/or loud noises, and to "return to camp" (riderless or bearing a slumped, non-guiding rider) when a certain brief (five-note) tune was sung, shouted, or whistled.
It was later revealed that the horses were largely trained by one of the adventurers, who was, yes, a werehorse, and led them (providing a patiently-repetitious, communicative example) through most training exercises.
The Riders departed the service of the Crown when the Steel Regent disappeared, and their fate isn't publicly known (inevitably, a belief has arisen in Cormyr that they will ride out of hiding to the aid of the realm someday, when they are sorely needed).
Yes, I'm keeping the names, backgrounds, etc. of the adventurers involved secret for now. NDAs, you understand.
Oh, and Happy Christmas!


So saith Ed. I'll echo his holiday wishes to Matthew to all scribes, of every belief and heritage: may you all find happiness in these dark days following the Winter Solstice!
love to all,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Ergdusch
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I added another DDi article from the Dungeon #198 by Brian Cortijo: Cormyr Royale - The Royal Court of the Forest Kingdom.
From now on you'll find this link in the list of the first thread-post, also.

Good gaming always,


Ergdusch

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 01 Jan 2013 :  19:53:40  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed on long serving families of retainers of Nobles and what they write down

Cheers

Damian
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Hi again, all.
I bring you the replies of Ed to some of the recent questions from Jeremy Grenemyer (the last two replies will follow when Ed can get to a computer again).
Here we go, “JG” being Jeremy Grenemyer, and “Ed” being, ahem, Ed…

JG: In Cormyr, if multiple generations of the same family have worked as servants at one location/for one noble family, is it common for them to act as lorekeepers of a sort? As in they carefully share only amongst themselves the truths about what the noble family does and has done in the past, what dark deeds they want hidden, what lies are accepted as truths in the family, what secrets of or for the Crown are kept by the noble family, which local town's people are really bastards of the family and what is and isn't safe to talk about openly, all to keep themselves alive and the noble family they serve from ruin, where possible?

Ed: Yes, it is indeed common for long-established, loyal families of retainers (“servants of the house” = household) to act as lorekeepers in precisely the manner you describe.


JG: If yes, have divine beings, sages greedy for knowledge or noble families seeking to discredit their rivals ever inspired/cajoled/magically compelled these servants to set down the “truth of things” in books?

Ed: On rare occasions, sages have set down in writing the verbal accounts of rebellious or disgruntled servants, and compiled such accounts into chapbooks or longer books, but most such accounts are unverified and hotly disputed by the nobles being written about (of course) and sometimes by other servants. So “sages greedy for knowledge” have definitely been involved, and we know of several incidents of noble rivals sponsoring “stain the cloak” (= darken the reputation, or “blot the escutcheon”) books, again repositories of rumors and wildly exaggerated tales as well as truths. Elminster knows of some priests of Cyric sewing discord by freely distributing “lying chapbooks” intended to discredit rulers, local civic authorities, and nobility, but cautions that it’s hard for mortals to discern the truth regarding divine involvement (which in his wise opinion is far more often ignoring or “turning a blind eye” than it is actively taking part in, commanding, or personally inspiring such behavior).


JG: Could you give us a few long-lived servant family names or the titles of any servant-written books that might have seen print?

Ed: Certainly. :}
The numerous and well-reared Longland family has members among the courtiers of the Royal Palace in Suzail, and in the households of the “city houses” of many nobles there, including the Armelds, the Dauntinghorns, the Steelaens, and the Warblades.
The Pennert family have long formed the bulk of the loyal retainers of the House of Hawklin, the Yancels stand in the same position for House Illance, and the Mertrym family are the staunch retainers of the Crownsilvers.
Some of the most notorious (thanks to their candid and widely verified tales of cruelty, sexual antics, feuds, and pranks) servant-penned books are:
• Maids Forlorn: Lives of the Despoiled in the “Great” Households of Amn (by “A Servant Spurned”)
• Beneath the Serpent’s Belly: A Life In Service to the Mountroyals of Saerloon (by Annaethe “Old Biddy” Tarcet)
• Misdeeds In Marsember: The Cruel Traitors and Tyrants of the Wet Port’s So-Called Nobility (by “An Embittered Servant”)
and:
• The Shattered Heart: The Disillusionment of A Loyal Retainer (by Berenthros Harhallow)


JG: Have any elder servants who've managed to find enough free time ever penned books on how to properly manage noble families, complete with embarrassing details of how the servant outwitted his masters or tricked them into a right course of action in order to save the noble from his/her own stupidity?

Ed: Oh, yes, though these sorts of books tend to be suppressed by nobles seizing or buying and then destroying as many copies as they can get their hands on - - with the result that the tomes become rare, expensive, and highly sought-after, of course. Cheap chapbook copies (often edited down severely) circulate via caravan merchants more than originals.

So saith Ed . . . and that's it for now.
He'll return as soon as he can with the rest, and with other long-awaited lore replies, too.
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 01 Jan 2013 :  19:56:19  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More from Ed on retainers to the Nobility, plus titles of books written about Nobles by their retainers

Enjoy

Damian
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Hi again, all. Ah, more great questions, I see.
Here are Ed's replies to Jeremy's last two queries:

JG: Are there any long-lived servant families in Cormyr that have quietly risen to become de facto controllers of a noble family or who otherwise “manage” a noble family more than the family actually manages itself?

Ed: Yes. This happens quite often when matriarchs or patriarchs live into their dotage, and blood heirs (often grandchildren, the intervening members of the family being lost to wars, disease, hunting and riding accidents, and exile) are very young at the time. Only two servant families in Cormyr have managed to remain de facto controllers of a noble house for more than two generations of the noble line:
• the Helscabbards, who came to run House Goldfeather absolutely in the 1380s DR, and were only driven out in 1436 DR (having during their tenure turned the Goldfeathers from arrogant, evil to amoral fops and wastrels into a haughty-with-cause family of achievers in trade, military service, and farflung investments); this ambitious, cunning clan has scattered across Faerûn, infiltrating wealthy or noble households from Waterdeep and Athkatla to Telflamm and Ormpur.
• the Jalambreks, who rose to control House Aunkspear from behind the scenes in 1392 DR, and made their noble masters their hard-working agents across the Inner Sea until 1449 DR.
What is far more prevalent than a servant family controlling their masters is a really competent and efficient steward, chamberlain, chatelaine, amanuensis, or factor (trade agent) who is so good at his or her job that real daily power is left in his or her hands by grateful or aware-of-their-own-failings or even fearful nobility. Competent women can manage this with more deft manipulation and less notice of what’s going on by outsiders (such as other nobles), but some of the men have been frighteningly good at swaying nobles to this or that stance, action, or purchase.
Here’s the best-known example of many masterful servants (if one doesn’t count Vangerdahast as the servant who largely ruled the Obarskyrs):
Orlbert Thaylaine, Steward of House Emmarask, was legendary for his swift thinking, cunning forethought, and impeccable courtesy. He was, it slowly became apparent, a consummate actor—who by his manipulations of the family he served made them richer and more respected in a scant decade, as well as restoring their standing at Court. Oh, and making them significant landlords in Sembia and Westgate, too. Almost every Emmarask confided in him and sought his personal guidance, trusting him absolutely. Luckily for them, Thaylaine was utterly loyal, exploiting his position only to place his sisters in well-paid posts in the family’s most remote Sembian holdings (where their shallow, lazy, petty natures wouldn’t soon be discovered).


JG: Lastly, Elminster's Forgotten Realms mentions that books on how to rule are highly valued. Are books penned by nobles about "how to be a noble" also highly valued? If yes, are there any titles to such books written by nobles of Cormyr that you could give us? Also, are any lost and being sought by those families? Seems like a great adventure hook.

Ed: Most of the lost books sought by noble families are diaries or for-public-consumption (usually to bring disgrace) tell-all scandalous accounts, and they tend to be sought not to suppress them but in hopes of finding lost family treasures by spotting and solving clues written into them (the seekers hope). Tanistolph Illance, for instance, published his An Illance Errant, a humorous (sometimes viciously so) account of his incestuous wenching, feuds, and within-the-family bickering in 1399 DR, and family members have been reading and re-reading it constantly since, in hopes that some of its passages (notably dialogue that Tanistolph presents as verbatim but that many of the purported speakers swear are his inventions entirely) conceal hints or even clear directions as to where several enchanted swords and chests of gems (family treasures Tanistolph is rumored to have hid) may now be found.
Books written about how to “be noble” are abundant, but many of them are worthless, boring drivel about obedience to elders and (inevitably dated) etiquette, or try to set forth a “style” of how one should act to seem noble (which can make for amusing reading, but is seldom useful in a real-world sense except to expose someone seeking to follow such directions as a reader of a particular “how-to-feign-nobility” tome). Typical titles of these sorts of books are Deservedly First: The Life And Art of True Nobility, Destined For Graceful Greatness: The Nobles’ Way, and Solsaere (“solsaere” being a Faerûnian Common word akin to “panache”).
There are, however, a handful of useful and highly regarded tomes on nobility: Being Superior (which despite its dreadful title is a thoughtful work on the philosophy behind nobility, its uses and duties and the best way to aid one’s country through one’s conduct), Madaeragand’s Little Book (Madaeragand Dauntinghorn was a master of the deft phrase and “manipulation by eloquence,” and his work is full of useful phrases one can use in moments usually socially awkward, such as telling your aunt that a closer female relative of hers has been discovered to be pregnant, or that her favorite beau has just been slain in a duel (Madaeragand provides two sets of wordings, one for that slayer being a beloved relative, and the other for the successful duelist being you yourself), and Eskarych On Nobility (Eskarych Huntsilver was a master of how to “present” yourself in different ways to different audiences to achieve desired effects - - such as sympathy from commoners or the respect, envy, or even fear of fellow nobles or courtiers or royalty - - and of how to subtly test the loyalty of servants, befriended nobles, or courtiers).

So saith Ed. Who is hard at work right now writing something that is not Realmslore, he tells me, but of interest to many fantasy RPG devotees who enjoy fiction . . .
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Ed on Volothamp Geddarm's Cormyte 'nom-de-plume'

Cheers

Damian

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Heh. And no sooner did I start browsing here at the Keep then I got another e-mail, from Ed, this time a response to Markustay:


Volo HAS penned such a book, actually - - but was wise enough to do it under the entirely fictitious penname "Lyra Maerilee." It was called A WISE MAID'S WORDS, was a slender tome compiling salacious gossip of the amorous goings-on of many Sembian and Cormyrean nobiity and wannabe-nobility, and sold VERY well. Pirate copies of the work are now being made and resold in various Inner Sea ports, and Volo is contemplating a sequel. Elminster found the book "An amusing read. So long as he stays away from printing wild lies about magic and Our Lady of All Mysteries, fine."


So saith Ed. Who adds: That doesn't mean I wouldn't want to devour I WANT TO SPEND ETERNITY AS A FROG STATUE. Sounds interesting. ;}
Ed took his visiting family to see THE HOBBIT last night, and his holiday is by no means over, Sightless. It will extend through New Year's (studded by shifts here and there at the library, his day job). We both thank you for the kind wishes!
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Streets opposite the Promenade, though not entirely informative!

Regards

Damian
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And hello once more. E-mails from Ed are coming in by the proverbial dribs and drabs manner, and the latest contains a tiny tidbit for Rivenhelm:

"Does Court Close cross the Promenade?"
No. What faces it across the Promenade is another named street.

That's all for now, I'm afraid, though Ed is hopeful he'll be able to answer "most of" your queries sooner rather than later.
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Even more fantastic lore on books penned by those who work 'under the stairs' for the Cormyrian Nobility

Enjoy

Damian
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Oooh! A good one. Off it goes to Ed - - but as it happens, Sage, Ed's next lore reply is for you!
Re. this:
“• Misdeeds In Marsember: The Cruel Traitors and Tyrants of the Wet Port’s So-Called Nobility (by “An Embittered Servant”)
Oooo!
My lovely Lady Hooded One... is there any chance that Ed's actually provided some content for this tome in the form of snippets elsewhere in his writings that you can share with us here? I'd love to learn more about what's inside.”

Ed passes on this:

No snippets, I’m afraid, but I can share with you what I jotted down about this tome:
Anonymously penned by a longtime housejack (butler) who served in three noble mansions and was privy to a lot of the feuding and hijinks of local nobility: how nastily they treated each other, their habitual tax swindles and deceit whenever dealing with the Court in Suzail (fitting the fact that they didn’t feel any real loyalty to the Dragon Throne or Cormyr as a country), and especially how nastily they treated servants and fellow (commoner) citizens of Marsember. As the author put it: “It’s clear from what I’ve personally seen that none of these nobles are fit to rule or even wield influence, were the city of Marsember ever to regain its independence. They are selfish to a fault, and have no sense that civic obligation or fairness should apply at all to themselves, only to others.”
The book is full of little secrets about various nobles of Marsember, and three lengthy, juicy accounts of wild sexual goings on at revels, as well as the usual “Lady X prefers to entertain male strangers in a tub of rotting fish” stuff.

So saith Ed. Tirelessly creating the salacious for us all.
love,
THO

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
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Ed on half elves and their chances of becoming ennobled plus other folks reactions to them

Cheers

Damian
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To your second: It’s quite feasible; monarchs of the Dragon Throne ennoble people all the time, giving them a title and a minor land grant (with a house or two on it, not always grand) all the time.
If it truly is a minor noble house, not someone who’s already socially prominent or a determined member of the wealthy “wannabe nobles” who dwell in Suzail (successful merchants and investors desperate to “join the club” of the titled and privileged), the existing nobles wouldn’t care if the heir of the house had a half-elven daughter - - other than to sneer about “just ANYBODY being allowed to use a title, these days.” They’re going to sneer at any created nobility who haven’t been titled for at least three generations, anyway, even if the new family is full of charming individuals who genuinely befriend many existing nobles.
No, assassination attempts would not be likely. The most rabidly anti-elven houses are the older Illances, the Goldfeathers, and the older Wintersuns. Not to mention the Bleths, earlier on in Cormyr’s history. They will “cut dead” members of this new noble family in public, and oppose them for holding any paid offices of the realm, but not go farther than that.
I don’t know of any elven groups in the Forest Kingdom who’d be less than pleased at an elf/human marriage, but there are a few elven individuals, such as Ilpreslur Mooncloak (a crafter of elegant bottles who lives and has his business in Suzail) and Thaelrae Silverleaf of Gladehap (a proud sorceress who makes a living putting minor enchantments on coffers and clothing to make them last long and look good all that time; she believes the elves will pass away as a race if they don’t “keep to themselves,” and that half-elves are “necessarily coarser and inferior to truebloods”). They might be rude to this new noble family, but probably not if not treated with rudeness by the new nobles.


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So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
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THO on trail markers of Cormyr

Cheers

Damian
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Hi again, all.
Rivenhelm, I can answer PART of your question. The way-symbol for Arabel is a six-spoked, side-on wagon wheel, the way-symbol for Eveningstar is a horizontal-but-curving-down-to-the-right arc of three eight-pointed stars (vertical "rays" longer than the rest), and the way-symbol for Dhedluk is an anvil (side-on, point to the viewer's left). I'll have to nudge Ed for Tyrluk's, but I THINK it's a horsehead.

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
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More from THO on trail symbols

Cheers

Damian

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Tyrluk's way-symbol is a side-on horsehead with a plaited mane (bound into a border, not flowing free) and a flat bottom across the base of the neck (think the way knights are printed in many books showing chess games with views of the board), and with its nose pointing to the viewer's left.
Waymoot's is a three simplified-to-elongated-triangles pine trees, standing side by side.
Espar's is a plough (prow dug into the ground, and its handle) facing the viewer's left (plowing in that direction).
Hilp's is a side-on arched wooden bridge (simple, rail-less).

So saith Ed. Who will return with proper replies when things aren't quite so frantic for him.
love to all,
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Immersea's is two wavy horizontal lines, one above the other (waves).

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
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Might I suggest we sticky threads like this? Where all official info on a given region is all in one place for others to peruse instead of searching through dozens of threads on the same topic?

I believe "Coach" is another one gathering info like this all on the Bloodstone Lands, and his should be stickied with this as well.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Consider it done!


What an honor to get this thread adhesive!

In order to live up to the expectations I refreshed most of the web-links in my initial post.
BTW, does anyone know where the old-edition-free-download-zip-files ended up?


Good gaming always, Ergdusch

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quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

BTW, does anyone know where the old-edition-free-download-zip-files ended up?


Lurue only knows. I'm not convinced that the files have been removed, since I can still download files from WotC that have been on their site since 2000 (like the original Roll of Years file), but the files are certainly not located at their old URLs.

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These files are not indexed by Google anywhere within the Wizards.com domain (either not present or specifically de-listed through invisible ROBOTS.TXT imperatives), nor in any cached/archived Google indexes, nor in any of the other search engines I've tried. If indeed Wizards still hosts this material on a public-access server, it can only be found by directly addressing exact URLs.

I'm of the opinion that Wizbro deliberately removed this legacy material because it takes focus away from their current D&D editions and perhaps (given their young target audience) was expected to cause confusion. Times have changed a bit, but the website hasn't because "it ain't broke" so it's not worth paying to fix. I'm not really sure why they allowed D&D3E stuff to remain, but I suspect it's a way to unambiguously assert WotC IP territories on their never-expired old Open Gaming Licenses.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

BTW, does anyone know where the old-edition-free-download-zip-files ended up?


Lurue only knows. I'm not convinced that the files have been removed, since I can still download files from WotC that have been on their site since 2000 (like the original Roll of Years file), but the files are certainly not located at their old URLs.

Agreed. I still think those files are simply in virtual limbo... until Wizards finally decides how best to proceed with the accessibility for the downloads.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

These files are not indexed by Google anywhere within the Wizards.com domain (either not present or specifically de-listed through invisible ROBOTS.TXT imperatives), nor in any cached/archived Google indexes, nor in any of the other search engines I've tried. If indeed Wizards still hosts this material on a public-access server, it can only be found by directly addressing exact URLs.

I'm of the opinion that Wizbro deliberately removed this legacy material because it takes focus away from their current D&D editions and perhaps (given their young target audience) was expected to cause confusion. Times have changed a bit, but the website hasn't because "it ain't broke" so it's not worth paying to fix. I'm not really sure why they allowed D&D3E stuff to remain, but I suspect it's a way to unambiguously assert WotC IP territories on their never-expired old Open Gaming Licenses.



Given WotC's pattern of shuffling around content without bothering to update any links, I'm not as convinced that this was an overt move by WotC. Any search of our past discussions will reveal a multitude of defunct links. And as I've said, there are files from 2000 that can still be accessed on the Wizards site, provided you know the URL, though there are no links anywhere to the content.

I'm always reluctant to assign negative intent when there are other explanations, and the way WotC's website has been handled over the years makes me think this is simply more of the poor management of web content that we've been seeing since long before the edition wars.

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Your opinion is as valid as mine. I'll admit to some cynicism about Wizbro's motivations, because they have done many good things but it is always hard to forgive their evils. I say it's a bit of greed, you say incompetence ... not good either way.

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Wow, this is awesome. Thank you for stickying this scroll.

Perhaps of interest to fans of Cormyr: there's a tiny (but growing) project on Loremaster.org to collect miscellaneous and somewhat hard to find information on Cormyr, that includes references to published information sources. It's called Cormyr: Facts and Factoids.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Wow, this is awesome. Thank you for stickying this scroll.

Perhaps of interest to fans of Cormyr: there's a tiny (but growing) project on Loremaster.org to collect miscellaneous and somewhat hard to find information on Cormyr, that includes references to published information sources. It's called Cormyr: Facts and Factoids.


Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for this link. At first glance, there are even some new references there, I can add to the list. I'll add your link to the first post as well.

Good gaming, Ergdusch


P.S.: Thankls for your feedback to the old urls. I'll leave the wrong ones for now, until the correct urls are found.

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