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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  05:46:17  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dang, I was just searching for this scroll so I could update it...

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  05:53:33  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bwa ha ha, I win!

I can definitely picture halfling scouts, and I like the tie into the Ahk'vhelar. Also, I think a few months back we had some scribes wondering about specific units that participated in Seiveril's Crusade, and the Kel'min'hara seem to fit this bill.

I pretty much agree with the healer information, but the "quasi official" healer's college in Heliogabus is cool to know about. I was hoping for some alternate companions for a healer (although I think the class is spot on perfect for a worshiper of Lurue), but that's for another thread.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  11:06:30  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

Bwa ha ha, I win!

I can definitely picture halfling scouts, and I like the tie into the Ahk'vhelar. Also, I think a few months back we had some scribes wondering about specific units that participated in Seiveril's Crusade, and the Kel'min'hara seem to fit this bill.

I pretty much agree with the healer information, but the "quasi official" healer's college in Heliogabus is cool to know about. I was hoping for some alternate companions for a healer (although I think the class is spot on perfect for a worshiper of Lurue), but that's for another thread.



I know you were hoping for it, but by the time I saw that thread requesting the alternate companions, the article had long since been finished and edited.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  11:22:40  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey, I appreciated your input in the thread in question at any rate, so I completely understand.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  11:54:19  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One of the difficulties in this sort of series is that by the time I receive feedback and suggestions, I have already long since moved way ahead. The 5th installment of the series just came out, but I am already researching the 11th & 12th. That said, the general feedback and suggestions are definitely considered.

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Edited by - EytanBernstein on 11 Apr 2007 12:08:25
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Dhomal
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  16:56:57  Show Profile  Visit Dhomal's Homepage Send Dhomal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello-

Well - THAT is great news! :)

5 more articles due to come out for sure - working on two more 'right now' truly Great information!

*Waves at Eytan*

Dhomal

I am collecting the D&D Minis. I would be more than willing to trade with people. You can send me a PM here with your email listed - and I can send you my minis list. Thanks!

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  20:25:04  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are significantly more than 5 articles coming out. I can't say how many because I don't know how Bart will split them up.
* waves back *

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Edited by - EytanBernstein on 11 Apr 2007 20:25:33
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 :  05:22:58  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

One of the difficulties in this sort of series is that by the time I receive feedback and suggestions, I have already long since moved way ahead. The 5th installment of the series just came out, but I am already researching the 11th & 12th. That said, the general feedback and suggestions are definitely considered.



Well, I don't know if you are working on any of the "capstone" classes at this point in time, but I had a few ideas, which I will gladly admit won't be anywhere near as amazing as the work you have done, but if you do care for any kind of input on these . . .

Shadowcaster

The first thing I would love to see is an explanation that just because shadowcasters use magic based on the plane of shadows, they don't have to be Shadow Weave users. I know this would contradict the sidebar on the subject in the Tome of Magic, but I think that sidebar was kind of an oversimplified explanation of shadow magic and how it works in the Realms.

Part of why I would like to see this clarification is because the FRCS mentions various alternative forms of magic in Faerun, and mentions shadow magic, specifically stating that shadow magic is separate from Shadow Weave magic.

As far as practitioners go, I would love to see some tie in with Grodd Goblin shadowcasters, and another idea I had was to have shadowcasters among the disgruntled Krinth that are agitated against the Shadovar.



Incarnum

I have had a hard time working this into the Realms, but I had some thoughts that this might tie into the Eastern Realms of Ra-Khati and Khazari (and incidentally, this might give you a chance to rename the spiritual leader of Ra-Khati to something a bit more Realmsian than the Dhali Llama).

If Incarnum is tied to these countries, you could also have practitioners in the Hordelands and Hubadai's new nation (especially since Hubadai himself had contact with Ra-Khati). Plus, in ancient times the Imaskari might have picked up some information on this talent and brought it west with them, though I don't know where it would go from there or where it would be in modern times.



Tome of Battle

I had some thoughts on the Tome of Battle in this thread, although its more about the disciplines involved and less about the classes, per se.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7788





Truenamers

I'd kind of like to see some tie between Deneir and the Metatext in with this.

Binders

I think it would be interesting to see some Realmsian names for the vestiges (not so much new vestiges, just the Realmsian equivalents of them), plus I'd like to see some kind of mention of Karsites, although that might be a bit outside of the scope of this article.


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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 :  11:02:25  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have some plans for ToM classes. Some of the things you mentioned aren't so different from my plans. Others are. You'll have to wait and see, but I do appreciate the suggestions.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 :  16:38:29  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I appreciate the fact that you even take the time to look over my ideas, and your ideas thus far have been great, so if they go a different route that some of my (admittedly quickly sketched) ideas, I know yours have proven to be high quality and well thought out. I'm just looking forward to seeing them.

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Sian
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 :  17:27:37  Show Profile  Visit Sian's Homepage  Click to see Sian's MSN Messenger address Send Sian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
about shadowcasters ... couldn't there be a few attending Selune's church teaching about that shadows at night are because of Selunes Light and therefore not Evil per say

what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 :  19:31:55  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I most definitely have plans for how shadowcasters can function independently of the shadow weave. The articles won't prove very useful if they are only available to a predominantly evil subset of characters. I do think that most shadowcasters probably are evil, but the same could be said of warlocks (and there are plenty of options for non-evil members of that class).

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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer

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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 :  19:33:24  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

I appreciate the fact that you even take the time to look over my ideas, and your ideas thus far have been great, so if they go a different route that some of my (admittedly quickly sketched) ideas, I know yours have proven to be high quality and well thought out. I'm just looking forward to seeing them.



A lot of times, the ideas you guys have are quite organically developed from game experience. My best ideas are ones that come from my games, so if a kernel of an idea springs to mind from something I see online, I will try to develop it. That said, I try not to steal ideas wholesale.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 :  19:34:06  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can also say that the article I'm working on right now is by far the most detailed one I've done so far. It should be at least as good as the warlock articles, hopefully better.

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Edited by - EytanBernstein on 14 Apr 2007 19:34:22
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 :  22:30:29  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

I most definitely have plans for how shadowcasters can function independently of the shadow weave. The articles won't prove very useful if they are only available to a predominantly evil subset of characters. I do think that most shadowcasters probably are evil, but the same could be said of warlocks (and there are plenty of options for non-evil members of that class).

Shadowcasters (???), Shadowdancers (DMG), Shadow Adepts (PGtoF), and Shadowcraft Mages (RoS) of Baravar Cloakshadow also come to mind...

Kernel, kernel, kernel, kernel...

I can send you the stats on my PC if you want, as well...
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 :  12:46:05  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Baravar Cloakshadow is a pet project of mine, as you'll see in a couple of upcoming projects. I don't need stats for PCs, but feel free to e-mail me with your thoughts about shadowcasters.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 :  22:38:30  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

Baravar Cloakshadow is a pet project of mine, as you'll see in a couple of upcoming projects. I don't need stats for PCs, but feel free to e-mail me with your thoughts about shadowcasters.

Refresh my memory about shadowcasters again? PHB2?
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2007 :  22:46:58  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shadowcasters are from the Tome of Magic. They have a shorter, specific list of "spells" that are referred to as "mysteries," and the caster eventually learns to cast them as spell like effects and supernatural abilities instead of casting them like spells.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 :  01:23:15  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah! no Tome of Magic for me! (and no Book of Nine Swords either), which would explain my confusion! Thanks Knight!
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Dargoth
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 :  14:45:29  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eytan

One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms)

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 :  22:38:31  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Eytan

One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms)



You'll just have to wait and see. I'm just finishing that installment.

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Brenigin
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 :  08:34:02  Show Profile  Visit Brenigin's Homepage Send Brenigin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Eytan

One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms)



By the rules maybe, but surely closer to Ed's original intent?
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 :  11:18:36  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 24 Apr 2007 :  05:40:27  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see.



Tease! Your worse than the Hooded one!

A question with regard to Favors souls

How would you deal with a favoured soul who takes one of the Initiate of X feats or levels of a PrC that gives the character a Domain such as Divine Discple or the Church Inquistor domain in CD? As I see there are 3 real options

1) A Favoured soul gains no benefit from Prcs or Initiate of X feats when it comes to spells

2) A Favoured soul gets the domain spells and treats it much the same way a cleric does although the favoured soul can only prepare spells from 1 domain as thats the only one they have. In order for the Favoured Soul to gain the spells that an Initiate of X feat they must sacrifice know spells from the corresponding levels

3) The domains or Initiate spells are added to the favoured souls known spells above and beyond those there entitled to known from the class

Im leaning towards 3 personally and its sort of backed up by some text in Divine Discple Prc in PGTF

"Druids, paladins and rangers gain no extra spell slots for domains spells but they can prepare the domain spells in their normal spell slots"

What do you think?

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Sian
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Posted - 24 Apr 2007 :  07:28:30  Show Profile  Visit Sian's Homepage  Click to see Sian's MSN Messenger address Send Sian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
as far as i remember its written in CD that classes with no Domains gains one

so ... i mean that it is the second one

what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month
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