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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 24 Apr 2007 :  12:20:12  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see.



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A question with regard to Favors souls

How would you deal with a favoured soul who takes one of the Initiate of X feats or levels of a PrC that gives the character a Domain such as Divine Discple or the Church Inquistor domain in CD? As I see there are 3 real options

1) A Favoured soul gains no benefit from Prcs or Initiate of X feats when it comes to spells

2) A Favoured soul gets the domain spells and treats it much the same way a cleric does although the favoured soul can only prepare spells from 1 domain as thats the only one they have. In order for the Favoured Soul to gain the spells that an Initiate of X feat they must sacrifice know spells from the corresponding levels

3) The domains or Initiate spells are added to the favoured souls known spells above and beyond those there entitled to known from the class

Im leaning towards 3 personally and its sort of backed up by some text in Divine Discple Prc in PGTF

"Druids, paladins and rangers gain no extra spell slots for domains spells but they can prepare the domain spells in their normal spell slots"

What do you think?



From how I'm reading what you wrote, none of the above. Favored souls work in the same way as sorcers. They can learn spells from those lists whenever they gain access to a new spell known. I don't believe they qualify for initiate feats because they aren't clerics. Page 20 of Complete Divine pretty clearly outlines how this works, though it doesn't have anything about initiate feats because I think they were developed after this book was printed.

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True none of the FR Initiate of X feats have Favoured Soul listed in the Prereqs however the Initiate of X feats arent the sole preserve of clerics for example the Initiate of Malar can be taken by druids and the Initiate of Selune can be taken by Clerics, druids, Hathrans and Rangers.

At the time of PGTF publishing favoured Souls (or any any of the classes outside PHB for that matter) where not a part of the setting so there was no reason for Initiate of X authors to provide rules fo them, including or baring the class from taking the feats.....


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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 24 Apr 2007 :  20:23:14  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, it's too late to include this in the article, but I probably wouldn't have a problem with allowing favored souls to take initiate feats. They would be allowed to learn the spells in the same manner as receiving a domain from a prestige class.

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Speaking of favored souls...

Warmages and Favored Souls

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Posted - 25 Apr 2007 :  11:26:48  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Speaking of favored souls...

Warmages and Favored Souls



It seems I almost always learn of the new posts from you guys.

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The next installment is up -- Archivists and Dread Necromancers

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The next installment is up -- Archivists and Dread Necromancers



Awesome! And here I had already assumed that there were archivists among the faiths of Oghma/Savras/Denier/Azuth. Thanks again, Mr. Bernstein!

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 09 May 2007 :  10:34:25  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
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The next installment is up -- Archivists and Dread Necromancers



Awesome! And here I had already assumed that there were archivists among the faiths of Oghma/Savras/Denier/Azuth. Thanks again, Mr. Bernstein!



You're quite welcome. Within the space available, I wanted to make sure that there were sufficient options to place an archivist character in any part of Faerun. Those three religions are quite spread out and varied.

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Although I always immediately thought about Deneir with this class, I like that you made the first tie into the class with Savras, and hinted at a clash between him and Cyric.

I liked the twisted ritual for the Dread Necromancer. I always thought of them as kind of "specialist" sorcerers, but this take is much creepier, and in keeping with the "feel" of the class in the first place.

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 10 May 2007 :  10:50:36  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Although I always immediately thought about Deneir with this class, I like that you made the first tie into the class with Savras, and hinted at a class between him and Cyric.

I liked the twisted ritual for the Dread Necromancer. I always thought of them as kind of "specialist" sorcerers, but this take is much creepier, and in keeping with the "feel" of the class in the first place.



Archivists certainly could be in the Deneir clergy, but I saw his faith as being less called than many scholars of Oghmas, Savras, or Thoth. Many archivists are rather ruthless in their acquisition of knowledge, willing to plunder tombs and rob graves.

I wanted to the Dread Necromancer class to be creepy. I didn't want it to be just be another sorcerer variant. They have to give up something to achieve immortality.

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KnightErrantJR
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Oh I agree. Upon rereading the class it makes perfect sense that archivists might be a bit more ruthless and less benevolent. Plus as far as Oghma goes, it makes sense for the whole "find the truth everywhere" ideal.

I also liked that you incorporated Thoth into the mix. It gives Mulhorandi characters a reason to venture out of Mulhorand (if only to encounter the faith rituals of other cultures to add to their knowledge).

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 10 May 2007 :  20:37:44  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mulhorand and Unther are cool nations, but unless you run a campaign set in them, it's important to have reasons for them to leave.

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I really liked the Thoth input as well. I venture that with the intelligence requirement for both wizards and archivists that there will be a lot of mystic theurges who use both (especially since both are "information delvers" and require spellbooks). I've also ventured that there is a faction of these archivist/wizards in Thay, encouraged recently because of their ability to produce things like scrolls of paladin spells (something most Thayans can't do). This started with the churches of Deneir and Oghma (which Thayans in particular would be a group who would delve into the mysteries of what is the difference between all these divine casting styles), but an archivist who began delving into necromantic rituals and switched over to Velsharoon introduced the archivist to that church as well.
I like the dread necromancer as well. In my variation of Thay, sorcerors are rare, having been killed off for being believed to be of the bloodline of the God-Kings of Mulhorand. Likewise, bards are rarer in this country than other parts of Faerun. However, Thay does have citizens who are very charismatic, and they learned to interest these folk in the classes of warmage and dread necromancer. Some of these dread necromancers also are favored souls of dark deities (such as Velsharoon, Myrkul, Bhaal, Bane, Loviatar, Shar, etc...) and take up the path of the mystic theurge. Others with the intelligence may take up the path of the ultimate magus and study both wizardry and dread necromancy / warmagery (of course, these folk tend to be necromancers and invokers respectively since they also have the tattoo focus, the spell focus, and the greater spell focus to really enhance their spells).

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When I saw this "Class Chronicles" instalment, for the archivist, I also immediately thought of Jergal's faith, whose main goal is "to record the events of the world as it slowly move towards its death."

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 14 May 2007 :  10:12:13  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jergal could be a good match as well. The only thing holding his archivists back is that they can't go graverobbing for their knowledge because he is a protector of proper burial.

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Jergal could be a good match as well. The only thing holding his archivists back is that they can't go graverobbing for their knowledge because he is a protector of proper burial.



True, but they definitely could petition various other faiths for their records pertaining to such tombs.

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Posted - 19 May 2007 :  09:11:59  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Jergal could be a good match as well. The only thing holding his archivists back is that they can't go graverobbing for their knowledge because he is a protector of proper burial.



True, but they definitely could petition various other faiths for their records pertaining to such tombs.



That's true, though they'd probably have to consort with members of evil faiths and bargain for such secrets. Most people don't just give away ancient scrolls of divine knowledge. That said, it's certainly not impossible.

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There's also the fact of, "I didn't steal this from a tomb, but I know you did". Would a follower of Jergal found to be working with graverobbers be looked upon well?

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Posted - 19 May 2007 :  13:46:21  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd have to do more research into the clergy of Jergal. Is there even an active church?

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I'd have to do more research into the clergy of Jergal. Is there even an active church?



"Jergal has only a handful of living worshipers, but it is believed several score of his priests still survive as mummies and greater mummies in long-sealed tombs," Powers & Pantheons.

He also has a few cults in Thay and the Border Kingdoms. Same book but under Major Centers of Worship. The Spellbound box set has stats for the female leader of the temple in Thay. Morasha, the ancient Netherese female necro in the High Moor, is one of his followers according to Lost Empires.

Other then those two, I couldn't find any more NPC's that are listed as his clergy.

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I'd have to do more research into the clergy of Jergal. Is there even an active church?



"Jergal has only a handful of living worshipers, but it is believed several score of his priests still survive as mummies and greater mummies in long-sealed tombs," Powers & Pantheons.

He also has a few cults in Thay and the Border Kingdoms. Same book but under Major Centers of Worship. The Spellbound box set has stats for the female leader of the temple in Thay. Morasha, the ancient Netherese female necro in the High Moor, is one of his followers according to Lost Empires.

Other then those two, I couldn't find any more NPC's that are listed as his clergy.

A few extra tidbits on the clergy of Jergal --

Faiths & Pantheons, on pg. 99, notes "Only in Thay, where death is a daily fact of life, has Jergal's church undergone a small renaissance."

And Powers & Pantheons notes that scattered cultists are operating in Kelemvor's Godswalk Keep, a church located in the Barony of the Great Oak in the Border Kingdoms.

The Crypt of Imminent Death in Bezantur is a major center of Jergal's worship, as noted in P&P.

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Posted - 19 May 2007 :  19:54:48  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Given his incredible prominence in ages past, I would have been surprised if his worship had completely disappeared. It might be interesting to develop more about it in a future project.

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Posted - 20 May 2007 :  01:11:46  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Given his incredible prominence in ages past, I would have been surprised if his worship had completely disappeared. It might be interesting to develop more about it in a future project.

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New one is up :

Hexblades and Ninja's

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EytanBernstein
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Hmm... I don't know who writes the little introductions, but they got the hexblade's book wrong.

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