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Genis
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 02:42:43
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I'm just curious as to how many forgotten realms fans are also dragonlance fans...i myself am a pretty big DL fan on account thats where i started reading fantasy...its my roots...and for some reason i get more attached to the characters in DL and Plus they actually die ....i mean in like 7 books almost all the main characters died...and thats sad if you liked them but it adds a sense of realism...anyways thats not the point sorry for my rant...i just want to know how many FR fans are DL fans and anything else you want to through in there be my guest...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 03:06:26
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| Ditto. I own every Dlance novel and most of the current sourcebooks. I hated the Sega system so didn't buy many of them. Tales of the Lance box set was a must though and I even use it for FR games. Especially for the mino weapons. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 03:23:27
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I must admit... I never particularly liked the SAGA system either. And I own all the novels and sourcebooks (both old and new) published... as well as some of those rare DRAGON articles that are now hard to find. ::snicker::
Though, I'll agree on TotL being useful for FR -- especially with regard to the monsters detailed within, as well as some of the artifacts referenced.
I got most of my minotaur lore, for FR, well... just tidbits really (since I've never wanted my FR minotaurs to be clones of those in DL -- just like Ed), from Taladas: The Minotaurs.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 04:36:15
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| I have read almost all of the DL novels. never played in the setting though |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 05:03:11
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| i have a large collection of DL books that i havnt dove into yet....compliments of my cousin...because of her i have many many DL books waiting to be read....but so far ive only read alot of the main ones....but i find it kinda funny...i notice that so far most of the DL fans are the higher ranking scribes ...and even moderators...but yeah my first DL book back in the day was Darkness and Light....Sturm and Kitiara and all the silly little gnomes....it was an odd but ok introduction to DL and the fantasy world....i was like 13 and my aunt purchased it for me at a garage sale...and me...having only read crap as far as books i took on to it and here i am on a FR based forum talking about fantasy books....what a wonderful chain of minor but quite pleasing events....wouldnt you say so? lol |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
573 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 05:16:32
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I'm such a big DL fan that when I first started running FR (15 years ago or so), I tried to hybridize them. Specifically
1) my elves acted a lot like krynnish elves, and had more krynnish sounding names (basically add "alas" for girls and "thalas" for boys)
2) I imported the Solamnic Knighthood en masse and replaced their triad with the FR Triad.
3) Orders of High Sorcery! Gods I love those guys!
I did however leave out all of the main characters. Including Tanis and the bunch would be less like a hybrid and more like Frankenstein. None of the events of the Chronicles/Legends happened in my hybrid.
Most of my hybrid is gone now though there are some former PC elves that stick out when our characters encounter them, and another former PC Knight that's got quite a reputation from his exploits on Haptooth hill.
Speaking of hybrids... Dragons of Faerun seemed to me like an attempt to import some DL flavor into FR. Did it strike anyone else that way? |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 08:07:42
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I started out with DL, back in '90, when I finally got around to DMing D&D. Until then I had been playing it, mainly.
I agree, the Order of High Sorcery is awesome.
As for novels, I followed the Dragons of a Vanished Moon etc, and read Amber and Ashes, but I haven't ever really regained the enthusiasm I had for Krynn back in the 90s. And now with the lost chronicles, or whatever it is called, I am even less interested.
As for Dragons of Faerūn trying to import DL flavor into the Realms, I don't think so. To me, it seems as if Wizards (and I just realized this!) tried to actually tie novels (Rage of Dragons) and gaming products together. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 10:40:31
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| I've read a fair amount of DL novels, but have never played in the setting. |
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
578 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 12:18:10
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I must admit I am a DL fan,
The orders of sorcery with the rankings and different schools, seem a more structured way of managing spellslingers.
And believe it or not I am a big fan of the Knighthood.
All this from a Battlerager wanna be!
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 12:27:37
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| Way back when I was desperate for good fantasy novels, alot of what was published was weird, well, crap... I was in high school at the time (that was A Long Time Ago...)and a great fellow let me borrow his DragonLance novels, Dragons of Autumn Twilight, etc. I was hooked and went on to buy every DragonLance novel I could lay my hands on. I even purchased Weis and Hickman's Darksword Trilogy. Dragonlance is what lead me to discover the other books published by TSR; the Gord the Rogue novels namely, and then came that fateful day when I saw a book with a striking cover. That book was Darkwalker on Moonshae! I have been a Realms junkie ever since. Even though I no longer follow Dragonlance I will always say the original series was some of the best fantasy written in my lifetime... |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 12:42:26
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Even though I have gotten a bit behind with reading the newer novels I would call myself a Dragonlance fan ( I even like the Preludes and Meeting series ). I have never played much in the setting though, despite owning quite a bit of source books, both older and newer.
I liked the SAGA products, but the system was a bit to loose and at the same time restricted to really be an option. I still enjoy reading through the products though. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 15:38:48
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| I like the original trilogy and some of the subsequent books just after that but nothing recent. |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 15:43:59
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 16:25:27
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| The SAGA system was a dice-less system used for the fifth age during the late 90's. Instead of dice it used a deck of cards that carried a number, a suite and the portrait of a known Dragonlance character. The deck determined your success or failure and the DM could decide on a case by case basis what happened by using suites, numbers and pictures. The system had potential, but it was difficult to get a grip on. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 17:32:05
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I was a huge Dragginglance fan for a year or two... This was back when there were only about 5 or 6 trilogies to choose from. I actually got into it from the comic book -- I saw one of my friends reading it, and it looked good, so I picked it up. I later asked him about the novels, and that got me started into Dragginglance. And I eventually got into the Realms, because of DL.
But... What quickly soured me on Krynn was the fact that after the War of the Lance and the Battle of Palanthas, nothing new happened. No one moved the setting forward -- TSR instead chose to go backwards. We'd get all sorts of tales set in the past, either contradictory stuff about the Companions of the Lance before the War, or we'd explore aspects of Krynnish history hundreds, if not thousands, of years before the current time.
I got bored because the setting was going stagnant. When I started reading Realms stuff, I saw a world that was both more detailed and that had an active, dynamic timeline that was moving forward. I was hooked.
I've picked up a few more DL books since then, but not many. I really like draconians and dragonspawn, but a lot of the Age of Mortals stuff left me cold. I still like the setting, but my enjoyment of it is a pale shadow of what it once was. Unless I win the lottery or something, I doubt I'll ever get all that involved with the setting again. |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 18:20:44
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I tend to agree with the "Too much history, not enough future" feeling Dragonlance game me, and how the realms seemed a lot more vibrant to me. I know die hard DL fans will say they wrote plenty of newer stories about the ages after the original trilogy, but I just never got past Chronicles and Legends.
As for the Hybrid campain, this intrigued me a bit. I can easily see the Elves as I've always allowed DL elves to influence my idea of elves elsewhere, but how detailed did you get in bringing the Solomnic Knights and Orders of High Sorcery into the Realms?
How did the Solamnic Knights fit in with Realms politics? Were they affiliated with a specific nation like Cormyr or were they multi-national?
The Orders raise even more questions. Did your realms have 3 moons tied to magic? How did this affect Selune in your world? Did you use Mystra as the primary goddess of Magic or did you have the 3 from Krynn? All of them? OR did you forget about all that and simply use the structure of White, Red and Black robed mages?
How did this affect established magic organizations in the realms? The Hosttower? Thay? (Who would actualy be more Black Wizards than Red)
Did you even go into this much detail?
It's just a fascinating idea and I'm curious how far you went with it. |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
166 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 18:59:43
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| While we're on the subject...Does anyone remember Greyhawk? And I don't mean "greyhawking" as in the verb, either. I mean, Gord the Rogue and all... |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:15:23
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| I read the first two Gord novels by Gygax...and then passed on the chance to buy the rest of the series when I was in Lake Geneva. Fun to read...in a very twisted way...the word raw-goo still comes to mind. |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
166 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:24:30
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| Ha! Yeah...I know...But those books were thrust upon me at the young age of...Eh, ten, I think...So I've got that, uh, stuff, stowed away in my subconscious. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:28:29
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| I agree with the too much past as well....like i said i have many of the side stories and other books like that but i havnt read any of them yet....ive only read like the frsit 8 in the main storyline and i stopped and went to the realms...and to be honest ive never tried D and D in the Kryyn setting...or the SAGA thing...or anything like that...but yes DL is my roots and even if i dont get as obsessed with it as i could i will still look back on it as a n unforgettable classic |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:32:19
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| Cute...to see 8 books as the roots. Damn, what would my roots be then? Terry Brooks prolly, or Perry Rhodan...back in the 80s...even before I discovered roleplaying |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:34:52
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| cute....way to make me seem....idk...lol...but yeah i didnt really discover roleplaying until like 4 years ago...so yeah....im new to everything...FR...DL....RP....im just a silly noob i guess....hehe |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:37:56
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Originally posted by Genis
cute....way to make me seem....idk...lol...but yeah i didnt really discover roleplaying until like 4 years ago...so yeah....im new to everything...FR...DL....RP....im just a silly noob i guess....hehe
 I feel old now... and I prolly can be counted amongst the second generation of roleplayers...maybe third, but I just realized that I've probably been gaming longer than you have been breathing... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:40:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Aglaranna
While we're on the subject...Does anyone remember Greyhawk? And I don't mean "greyhawking" as in the verb, either. I mean, Gord the Rogue and all...
I read the two Gord the Rogue books that were published as Greyhawk novels (I believe more were published by a company other than TSR). There were about 4 Greyhawk novels about a Wolf Nomad, I believe they were written by Rose Estes. And there was a later novel called The Eyes Have It, IIRC. I read all of those. That setting also failed to grab me, mainly because none of it was connected to anything else. Maybe it's because of those novels, but Greyhawk has, for me, always had a patchwork feel to it. It seems like various elements were dropped into the world without worrying about the overall feel and how these elements would interact.
At least, that's my opinion. I certainly don't want to start a debate on the pros and cons of each setting. To each his own, and all that. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 19:42:04
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| The Gord novels also felt like the basic retelling of a campaign...to a degree |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 00:15:01
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
The Gord novels also felt like the basic retelling of a campaign...to a degree
I liked the first few Gord novels at least the one's published by TSR. |
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Crust
Learned Scribe
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 01:47:55
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| I started reading with Chronicles and we started our gaming experience in the Dragonlance setting. It wasn't until years later that I discovered Drizzt and Elminster and made the switch. Saga rules and the whole 5th Age path turned me away from DL. |
"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 05:26:14
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| Oh, and I'll add one more thing: I may have grown disillusioned with the Dragginglance setting, but Weis & Hickman are among the very small number of authors that can sell me a book by putting their name on the cover. |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 21:35:19
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
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Originally posted by Genis
cute....way to make me seem....idk...lol...but yeah i didnt really discover roleplaying until like 4 years ago...so yeah....im new to everything...FR...DL....RP....im just a silly noob i guess....hehe
I feel old now... and I prolly can be counted amongst the second generation of roleplayers...maybe third, but I just realized that I've probably been gaming longer than you have been breathing...
Damn now i feel old, back creaking, heading for the nursing home, senile, remembering the the 1864 war.......i stop now..
I am and was a big DL fan, there is a special feel to krynn, the rarity of magic and all kinds of special features described so well through gaming material and fiction, the home of grand epics. |
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