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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 18:27:53
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
And all this talk put my mind to work and give not only an idea for one of the new classes, but a good adventure as a bonus!
The class in question is the Warmage. I“m thinking in a good place to drop then (beyond Cormyr and old Raumathar  ), and suddenly, my mind shout: dwarves! Dwarves with armor hurling orbs of insert damaging element here! Wow! That is interesting.
IIRC, it“s in the Lost Empires of Faerūn that appears and old dwarven school of wizardry, in one of their (err... our) old realms of the North. And I think: why not make this a warmage school and academy? And the knowledge about the school have died with the old kingdoms...
Now, in present day, a zealous gold dwarf priest of Moradin receives a vision sended by Moradin, a glorious quest, about the lost knowledge that await in the North, a mission to discover and rescue the old tomes of the warmages! This could be crucial to help the golden to win the war against the gray dwarves. So, the dwarves send a group of merchants (they are in war, and cannot spare any soldier or mercenary) to contract a band of mercenaries (my group) to go to the old ruins, and recover the books. 
Now, let“s see if I can do this work! 
Xothal was closed when Ammarindar no longer felt that Netheril was a threat, but if you notice, one of the dwarven nations that had families leave to go to Myth Drannor was Ammarindar. Its entirely possible that some of those skilled in the Art taught at Ammarindar left to continue the study of the art (and to spread their unique interpretation of it), to the City of Song.
When Myth Drannor fell on hard times, several families of dwarves left again during the more tumultuous times when the Rule Tower was destroyed, which means you could still have dwarven families who practiced the Art of the Warmage living anywhere they could have migrated from Myth Drannor. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 15 Sep 2006 : 18:58:06
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Thanks for the help, kalin and KnightErrant!!!
Now, I have something interesting to make a good plot.
But talking about the topic, I think that dwarven warmages make more sense than dwarven mages.
The oriental classes can make his way to Faerūn (follow the Golden Way to Telflaam, take a ship, and...)
The shaman can make good uthgardt or rashemi characters.
The swashbucker fit well in the great centers, and the knight practically have a label with the text "insert me in Impiltur"
The others, with some tought, can be worked in Faerūn, too
Talking about this, I think that the crusader can make a good triadic character (the disciplines of the Devoted Spirit, Stone Dragon and White Raven could be renamed as blessings of Torm, Ilmater and Tyr).
The only one that is giving me trouble is the Duskblade, because of all the lore about the bladesingers (a PrC that I like too much). |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 02:37:56
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kaewin
Hi I'm new so bare with me. I wasn't really keen on the new classes from the complete series and would really hate to see them used. On the other hand I would like to see the psionic classes get some use.
That's the unfortunate problem we have when so many people want so many different things. While I do like as many options as possible, I'd imagine that many people don't want any more psionics in the Realms. Most of the complete classes are just new forms of fighting or magic. They rarely break the Realms. Psionics, if done improperly, could, though I'd personally be fine if someone did it with care.
I for one could do without any psionics. But like you said, using new classes can generally be refitted by DMs if they don't want to use them. So I say use them. I'll just redo them. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 06:38:10
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kaewin
Hi I'm new so bare with me. I wasn't really keen on the new classes from the complete series and would really hate to see them used. On the other hand I would like to see the psionic classes get some use.
That's the unfortunate problem we have when so many people want so many different things. While I do like as many options as possible, I'd imagine that many people don't want any more psionics in the Realms. Most of the complete classes are just new forms of fighting or magic. They rarely break the Realms. Psionics, if done improperly, could, though I'd personally be fine if someone did it with care.
I for one could do without any psionics. But like you said, using new classes can generally be refitted by DMs if they don't want to use them. So I say use them. I'll just redo them.
I know a lot of people would rather not see it, but there is already significant precedent for it. Several of R.A. Salvatore novels deal with house Oblodra and its psionicists (and later Kimmuriel, a rogue member). The recent House of Serpents trilogy is extremely focused on psionics. I recall a short story from one of the 2 Dragon anthologies that had a wilder. There is also a lot of talk floating around about Auppenser. I actually think that it's a whole missing from FR supplements. I'm not suggesting that any more mechanics be added, or that people use every class presented in the XPH and CP, but it's simply undeniable that psionics plays a role, albeit relatively minor, in FR. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 20:12:06
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| Psionics, in my opinion, could be used more in FR. I'd love to see a line of novels akin to The Priest, Rogues etc... only the Psionics....it can have Illithids, Gem Dragons, Psychic Warriors, Psions, all sorts of fun Psionically focused characters and creatures. It would bring more Psionics to thre realms cannon wise, which wouldn't hurt at all. |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 01:48:26
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Speeking of psionics, I may be the only person that felt that Cadderly was originaly a psion and not a cleric.
Yes, I know it was called the "cleric quintet", and yes I know how he has been offically stated.
But the powers he used closely remebled psionic powers of that time(spirit walk, animal affinity, molecular agitation, and that power that alloed you to sacrifice CON score for more power points), his weapons were along the lines of a psion and not a cleric, and he displayed high INT if not wis.
Agaien, I may be the only person that felt this.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 01:52:37
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Speeking of psionics, I may be the only person that felt that Cadderly was originaly a psion and not a cleric.
Yes, I know it was called the "cleric quintet", and yes I know how he has been offically stated.
But the powers he used closely remebled psionic powers of that time(spirit walk, animal affinity, molecular agitation, and that power that alloed you to sacrifice CON score for more power points), his weapons were along the lines of a psion and not a cleric, and he displayed high INT if not wis.
Agaien, I may be the only person that felt this.
I don't know if I would agree to that, but I could probably be convinced that he was a Favored Soul instead of a Cleric . . . given that he still had powers when he was questioning Deneir and not particularly observant, it seemed like Deneir had a vested interest in making sure he had his abilities. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 01:58:19
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Speeking of psionics, I may be the only person that felt that Cadderly was originaly a psion and not a cleric.
Yes, I know it was called the "cleric quintet", and yes I know how he has been offically stated.
But the powers he used closely remebled psionic powers of that time(spirit walk, animal affinity, molecular agitation, and that power that alloed you to sacrifice CON score for more power points), his weapons were along the lines of a psion and not a cleric, and he displayed high INT if not wis.
Agaien, I may be the only person that felt this.
I actually thought he was a psionicist, for quite some time as the series was being published. |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 02:43:43
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Well, if Wooly had the same thought, I feel at least in this I'm in good company.
I don't even know what the favored soul is, besides a cleric like variant, and I was only basing my psion theory based on the rules that were current while I was reading the series, which happened to be 2ed when they were first published.
He didn't feel like a cleric to me until the later books. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 02:51:18
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Well, if Wooly had the same thought, I feel at least in this I'm in good company.
I don't even know what the favored soul is, besides a cleric like variant, and I was only basing my psion theory based on the rules that were current while I was reading the series, which happened to be 2ed when they were first published.
He didn't feel like a cleric to me until the later books.
Yup. I was even flipping thru my Psionics Handbook, trying to reference the various powers he was using.  |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 02:59:16
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Originally posted by Wooly RupertYup. I was even flipping thru my Psionics Handbook, trying to reference the various powers he was using.
Me too.
And in almost every instance, I found one.
Heck, as the series started he couldn't even cast a 2nd level continual flame spell for his "flashlight".
Yea, some cleric he was. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 13:55:03
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Speeking of psionics, I may be the only person that felt that Cadderly was originaly a psion and not a cleric.
Yes, I know it was called the "cleric quintet", and yes I know how he has been offically stated.
But the powers he used closely remebled psionic powers of that time(spirit walk, animal affinity, molecular agitation, and that power that alloed you to sacrifice CON score for more power points), his weapons were along the lines of a psion and not a cleric, and he displayed high INT if not wis.
Agaien, I may be the only person that felt this.
I never even thought of that...I guess he kinda was like one...Favored Soul probably more than cleric for sure though. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 14:32:36
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Speeking of psionics, I may be the only person that felt that Cadderly was originaly a psion and not a cleric.
Yes, I know it was called the "cleric quintet", and yes I know how he has been offically stated.
But the powers he used closely remebled psionic powers of that time(spirit walk, animal affinity, molecular agitation, and that power that alloed you to sacrifice CON score for more power points), his weapons were along the lines of a psion and not a cleric, and he displayed high INT if not wis.
Agaien, I may be the only person that felt this.
I never even thought of that...I guess he kinda was like one...Favored Soul probably more than cleric for sure though.
no, I wouldn't go with favored soul..that class is for the "untrained" cleric..
Cadderly was supposed to be a monk of Denier,in the priestly way...this is supported by Danica living there and getting true monk training (1E monk as there was no monk class in 2E) in his church...and I have always felt the psionist and the monk class have the same flavour (sometimes to the point were lines cross) so it doesn't surprise me that Cadderly has a psion feel to him |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 15:28:42
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| Xothol was not just closed but somehow magically sent to another plane until the time comes when that land needed its protection. Since ammarindar fell quickly its unknown whether or not they called upon the magic of Xothol to aid them against the demons. For all we know there could still be dwarven mages there. I would assume they are Incantatrixes or even of a new class similar to Evereskan Tomb Guards in that they are specific to certain ruins. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 16:18:59
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
no, I wouldn't go with favored soul..that class is for the "untrained" cleric..
Hmmm I must be thinking about a prestige class of some sort then...not sure which. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2006 : 04:24:34
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(1E monk as there was no monk class in 2E)
There were indeed monks in 2E. They were simply a variant Clerical class that specialized in unarmed combat. They were much more remiscient of the Indo-European archetype, and those are the type I'd typically use in Faerun over the current monk class. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2006 : 01:45:45
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One way to incoperate the new classes in an article would be to split them between those that are officially in the realms and those that could be added but arent supported
Ie classes from the first category are in and they can be used by Realms authors in future products the other classes would have unofficial incoporation notes like the Races section in Champioms of Valor |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 20:40:31
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
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Originally posted by Kaewin
Hi I'm new so bare with me. I wasn't really keen on the new classes from the complete series and would really hate to see them used. On the other hand I would like to see the psionic classes get some use.
That's the unfortunate problem we have when so many people want so many different things. While I do like as many options as possible, I'd imagine that many people don't want any more psionics in the Realms. Most of the complete classes are just new forms of fighting or magic. They rarely break the Realms. Psionics, if done improperly, could, though I'd personally be fine if someone did it with care.
I for one could do without any psionics. But like you said, using new classes can generally be refitted by DMs if they don't want to use them. So I say use them. I'll just redo them.
I know a lot of people would rather not see it, but there is already significant precedent for it. Several of R.A. Salvatore novels deal with house Oblodra and its psionicists (and later Kimmuriel, a rogue member). The recent House of Serpents trilogy is extremely focused on psionics. I recall a short story from one of the 2 Dragon anthologies that had a wilder. There is also a lot of talk floating around about Auppenser. I actually think that it's a whole missing from FR supplements. I'm not suggesting that any more mechanics be added, or that people use every class presented in the XPH and CP, but it's simply undeniable that psionics plays a role, albeit relatively minor, in FR.
I know. Although I don't care for them, I have used them in villians. A psion vampire to be exact. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 03:13:09
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| where exactly is the duskblade detailed? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 04:17:44
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
where exactly is the duskblade detailed?
Players handbook 2 |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 00:44:16
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Re: The Xothol/Dwarven wizards -- I figured on using the information in the Xothol as a way of bringing the 'Runecaster' PrC (from Races of Stone) into the game, mainly because I like the class. It was a way to bring in armored Dwarven mages.
But the idea of Dwarven warmages sounds fine too. |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 05:11:03
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Is the Races of Stone Runecaster that different then the Runcaster in the FRCS?
(I didn't even know there was a runcaster in RoS.....) |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 13:49:46
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Is the Races of Stone Runecaster that different then the Runcaster in the FRCS?
(I didn't even know there was a runcaster in RoS.....)
the Races of Stone runecaster is a wizards/arcane PrCand the FRCS runecaster is a cleric/divine PrC
the RoS runecaster is a short PrC that basically allows the dwarven wizard to etch spells into stone and metal materials to avoid using material components and create permanent "scrolls" (If I remember right...I think they also allow wizards to wear certain armours |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 16:19:18
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I might have to take a look at that. Though I really have no desire for the rest of RoS....
The dilemma, due to budget there are several Realms tomes on the list before this.
Thank you for the answer Kalin agrivar |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 16:20:25
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Is the Races of Stone Runecaster that different then the Runcaster in the FRCS?
(I didn't even know there was a runcaster in RoS.....)
the Races of Stone runecaster is a wizards/arcane PrCand the FRCS runecaster is a cleric/divine PrC
the RoS runecaster is a short PrC that basically allows the dwarven wizard to etch spells into stone and metal materials to avoid using material components and create permanent "scrolls" (If I remember right...I think they also allow wizards to wear certain armours
Basically it allows you to change the Somatic aspects of a spell into Material ones by making them into runes. You also have to have a proficiency in heavy armor to qualify. The 'permanent scroll' I don't remember, but when the class tops out you can carve a rune into your own flesh as a permanent magical ability. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 16:50:01
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
Thank you for the answer Kalin agrivar
no problem
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Originally posted by Ardashir
Basically it allows you to change the Somatic aspects of a spell into Material ones by making them into runes. You also have to have a proficiency in heavy armor to qualify. The 'permanent scroll' I don't remember, but when the class tops out you can carve a rune into your own flesh as a permanent magical ability.
yeah, all I could really remember is that it was an arcane PrC and had to do with etching stone and metal... |
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- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 16:51:56
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Originally posted by Dargoth
One way to incoperate the new classes in an article would be to split them between those that are officially in the realms and those that could be added but arent supported
Ie classes from the first category are in and they can be used by Realms authors in future products the other classes would have unofficial incoporation notes like the Races section in Champioms of Valor
I've been using this philosophy in upcoming projects. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 02:52:54
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| But none of the new classes are in, correct? Except maybe the warlock. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 03:40:10
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
But none of the new classes are in, correct? Except maybe the warlock.
Well the favoured Souls now in, its appeared in an FR product |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 21:47:15
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| I really can't say much, but I can say that these issues are being talked about and your opinions are being listened to regarding this issue. |
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What classes are now officially present in the FR?
