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Faraer
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Posted - 17 Nov 2006 :  23:39:14  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There's at least one very great archmage mentioned in the lore who never crops up in these discussions, and I don't mention him because I'm happy for him to remain obscure.

No one in Faerūn knows 'who's the greatest'. Only the power-mad care, and they can never tell. The question's irrelevant and the answer's indeterminate!
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 :  04:26:29  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Actually 3/3.5e material has made it clear that these are the same beings.



-I've always been one of the conspiracy theorists who never believed that, because of the many differences between Telamont and Lord Shadow. The novel, Shadowbred implicitly states that Telamont is Lord Shadow, as LoD did. But, Shadowbred clears up a few of the inconsistencies that added fuel to the theories of how/why the two were connected.

-And, you know, no one ever mentions good ol' Parzal the Outrageous. With 31 levels in Wizard, and 16 in Cleric, he is certainly packing some heat.

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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 :  04:48:32  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Actually 3/3.5e material has made it clear that these are the same beings.



-I've always been one of the conspiracy theorists who never believed that, because of the many differences between Telamont and Lord Shadow. The novel, Shadowbred implicitly states that Telamont is Lord Shadow, as LoD did. But, Shadowbred clears up a few of the inconsistencies that added fuel to the theories of how/why the two were connected.

-And, you know, no one ever mentions good ol' Parzal the Outrageous. With 31 levels in Wizard, and 16 in Cleric, he is certainly packing some heat.



Can only go by WOTC wrote and they say he is the same, so, he is the same.

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boddynock
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I voted Elminster. Karsus was indeed a great mage too but too arrogant and he could not handle the magic running through his veins so Mystra died (for the first time) & Netheril collapsed.

I also like the mad wizard Halaster from Undermountain. But I think he is too insane to be the greatest wizard in Farūn :p :p
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Aglaranna
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 :  15:36:08  Show Profile  Visit Aglaranna's Homepage Send Aglaranna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oooh! Oooh! HARKLE HARPELL! Yay! Spellcaster most...Uh...Mighty? (And you can't say his name ten times real fast...)

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 :  20:37:25  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet

Halaster would be the greatest if he only got his head together.

Halaster IS now the greatest, as Mystra stitched his head back together so he could save the asses of both the Simbul and Elminster when they got stuck in Hell... El couldn't get out of there alone; the Simbul couldn't do it... Halaster did it.

Or do I have the Simbul and Halaster confused in regards to who saved who? (it's been a while, and trying to remember a specific scene out of that incredible novel is like swimming in a sea of old Elminster memories, all of which are NOT in chronological order! )
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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 :  22:19:58  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm going to go with a different set of criteria really that anyone else in order to handle this matter. In addition to levels; my criteria is going to be that they wield their power effectively along with possess wisdom, intelligence to use their powers, and personalities that prevent them from abusing their power.

This puts Elminster well above the Simbul.

I'm going to also eliminate any Liches, Shades, or other obviously inhuman creatures from the list. Otherwise the Phaerimm would plow right through most of them. Dead magicians like Karsus and the like are also gone.

For me, moving up the matter hugefold, is Manshoon. I tend to think of him as one of the most powerful magicians of the Realms and Elminster's archenemy for reasons that people should well take seriously even if the idea of the "Manshoon wars" may strike them as a bit ridiculous.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 :  22:39:38  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No one ever gives Flamsterd his props . . . poor Flamsterd . . .

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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 13 Jan 2007 :  23:20:00  Show Profile  Visit Charles Phipps's Homepage Send Charles Phipps a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, sadly I replaced him with Elminster when I ran halls of the high king.

:-)

My players refused to believe he wasn't Elminster in disguise the first time around so I made it official

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Grandmaster Kane
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 :  23:52:43  Show Profile  Visit Grandmaster Kane's Homepage Send Grandmaster Kane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For raw magicalal power the best is The simbul but she isnt up there so i picked elminster
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yargarth
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Posted - 14 Mar 2007 :  05:40:24  Show Profile  Visit yargarth's Homepage Send yargarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elminster is pretty awesome!

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swifty
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 :  15:47:57  Show Profile  Visit swifty's Homepage Send swifty a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i would have to say the simbul or gromph.they are constantly in action somewhere.to quote the heroes lorebook 'decades of dueling the arrogant red wizards have elevated her skill to heights unreached even by elminster.

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SirUrza
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 :  03:55:18  Show Profile  Send SirUrza an AOL message  Send SirUrza an ICQ Message Send SirUrza a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After the scene in Swords of Dragonfire.. you know the one. My vote is with Elminster. :)

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Firestorm
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Who the hell said Gromph? He isn;t even near the same league as others mentioned. Gromph is a high level mage by normal standards, but he would be whooped by countless others on this list with ease.
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Warrax
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 :  22:31:51  Show Profile  Visit Warrax's Homepage  Click to see Warrax's MSN Messenger address Send Warrax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Best" is, in its finest form, an incredibly subjective term.

Does best mean "most powerful," "most skilled," "most effective," what?

This issue has been raised before, I suppose but in any discussion, lots of these things have to come up.

Also, you've got to consider things like, is the best spellcaster really just a straight arcane caster? What about someone like Elminster, who's got a little experience messing around as a thief and a warrior? Mayhap those experiences will help him gain an edge that another caster might not?

I'm inclined to go with Elminster, even if guys like Iolaum, Tanthul and so forth are theoretically "more powerful."

Elminster's been considerably more active and making use of his powers, exercising them so to speak, for a lot longer than they have and I have to think that combining his raw power, experience and his continued practical application of his magic (in a variety of different ways) lends him an edge that most of those dusty old Netherese survivors do not have.
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Pharaun Mizzrym
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 :  00:07:13  Show Profile  Visit Pharaun Mizzrym's Homepage Send Pharaun Mizzrym a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Szass Tam or Elminster, Halaster my favourite though!

Why no Gromph? he has a right to be on that list

Edited by - Pharaun Mizzrym on 06 Sep 2007 00:08:12
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Fillow
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 :  21:25:18  Show Profile  Visit Fillow's Homepage  Send Fillow a Yahoo! Message Send Fillow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Who was this archmage from Evermeet who could mastered the power of a Circle by himself ?
I cannot recall his name !

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Aewrik
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I think Elminster would have beaten the Simbul even if we are using 2E stats. Why? Because Elminster has the wisdom and experience that comes with great age--he is almost twice the Simbul's age. There are other kinds of power besides that which is measured by stats.



Isn't the odd talk that Halaster is Imaskari? That would mean he's at least 4500 years by now (and around 3000 years older than Karsus). In other words, he would've been born around the time the Nether scrolls were found.
Hm. If he fled to the Heartlands around the time Imaskar fell, that could mean he also knew Netherese magic...

Too bad he lost more than his sanity, over the years.
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

Who was this archmage from Evermeet who could mastered the power of a Circle by himself ?
I cannot recall his name !



I think you're referring to Laeroth Runemaster. I can't check, though, since I've not yet replaced that book.

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Markustay
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As of 1385 DR, the most powerful mage in the Realms will be the first lev 1 guy to cast a cantrip.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thats not a spoiler, thats based on the fact that we are getting a brand new rules system (because the old one no longer functions).

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Jamallo Kreen
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

As of 1385 DR, the most powerful mage in the Realms will be the first lev 1 guy to cast a cantrip.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thats not a spoiler, thats based on the fact that we are getting a brand new rules system (because the old one no longer functions).



Ha! It will in my campaign, by the gods!

I haven't shelled out literally thousands of dollars on FR and D&D products to have them all rendered valueless so that Hasbro can pay an extra three cent dividend to its stockholders. Grrrrrrr....

As for the "most powerful" spellcaster, I iterate that I think it would be one or another Sarukh (the Teraseer, perhaps). They can hardly weigh themselves against current spellcasters, though since all but one (?) of them are currently frozen or are busy being liches in isolated dooms.


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Aravine
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how about irenicus( balder's gate 2)

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Fillow
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

Who was this archmage from Evermeet who could mastered the power of a Circle by himself ?
I cannot recall his name !



I think you're referring to Laeroth Runemaster. I can't check, though, since I've not yet replaced that book.

As usual, you're right Wooly. What is sure is that's the name I was looking for !
Thanks a lot.

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Hawkins
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Posted - 11 Oct 2007 :  19:29:16  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I found it interesting that the Simbul was not on the list (or did I just miss her?). She is the one who saved El from Hell. To be perfectly honest, she gives me the willies, even though she worked for the late Mystra.

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The only reason El needed saving from hell by that point was because he exhausted his spell repetoire. The simbul is on record for saying and has spoken directly to Elminster in the book spellfire, stating that she knows if they came to blows between the two that Elminster would beat her, and Elminster confirmed it. Then she took off her clothes, offered herself to him, and they made whoopie.
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