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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 15 Dec 2008 : 20:53:19
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| The most powerful spellcaster? Its me, the DM... when I walk in the Realms, even the gods fear my power. |
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bolf66
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 18:09:18
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| hello everyone I'm accually quite new to candlekeep and most of my lore comes from the novels but I would like to say that if we exclude people like larlock who I personaly think is the best I think that it has to be halaster simply because there all crazy powerful but he's the most unperdictable |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 20:36:26
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Thats 3  more votes for Halaster!
After reading Shadowrealm.....it could very well be Rivalen Tanthul, after all how many others spellcasters are walking around with a....(highlight to see possible spoiler if you have not read it) :A piece of Mask's hidden divintiy. If you think about his power before, he would be nigh impossible to best. Look what the same power allowed Riven to be able to do to Mephistophles in his own home, and he was no where near Rivalens power before then.
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Five_X
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 05:39:55
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| Gaaah! It was tough choosing between completely insane (but totally hardcore) Halaster, or Szass Tam, the most powerful Red Wizard. But Szass won out. Sorry, Halaster! |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 09:48:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ecap
Opinion: Manshoon has been "defeated"
Fact: Manshoon NEVER loses! He is prepared for EVERY possibility by an elite ressurection multiple-clone contingency - pretty much the ultimate spell!
I hate to disagree, but survival is not the same as victory. Manshoon has been defeated a number of times, by a number of foes (including himself, with the Manshoon Wars!). Being the baddest cockroach of the Realms ( ) does not make him undefeatable. 
manshoon maybe a bad cockroach but he cried in spellfire when the shadowsil was killed. |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 02:01:03
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| I vote for Vhostym the Sojourner or Elminster! |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 16:10:25
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Originally posted by Draezen
According to the possible choices at the index post, it would be Karsus. However, I'd prefer Ioulaum or Larloch.
who is ioulaum |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 16:33:21
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We know next to nothing about Ioulaum. Even the material that provides us with the 'best information' is the Netheril boxed set -- with all its drawbacks and failings. I'm sure there is much, much more to learn about Ioulaum.
For all we know, he was the Mystryl equivalent of a Chosen of Mystra. 
And to make things more interesting, he might not have known that he was. Maybe just like Karsus didn't know... 
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 17:23:29
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| is he known to be still alive. |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
253 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 23:04:05
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| I think in the Underdark Sourcebook Ioulaum is a massive brain that has a cabal of Mind Flayers and other monsterous creatures do his bidding. I forget the name, I think they are called Overminds or something to that effect... Perhaps another sage here might have the answer to that, because I am currently unable to access that book. |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2009 : 07:43:43
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Originally posted by Ghost King:
I think in the Underdark Sourcebook Ioulaum is a massive brain that has a cabal of Mind Flayers and other monsterous creatures do his bidding. I forget the name, I think they are called Overminds or something to that effect... Perhaps another sage here might have the answer to that, because I am currently unable to access that book.
The book in question which describes Ioulaum's current status is Lost Empires of Faerun, page 101, wherein it describes that following his conversion to lichdom in the dying days of Netheril (the lifedrain spells of the phaerimm having disrupted his other life-extending magics) he left Netheril and went off to train a variety of apprentices, including illithids from the city of Ellyn'tal (presumed to be the first illithiliches). Eventually he used his illithid students to create an undead elder brain and then merged himself with it. He remains, as the Oracle of Ellyn'tal, in the abandoned city in the form of a giant undead brain with some 41 class levels and, presumably, lots of free time. |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
253 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2009 : 08:10:31
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| Hmm, LEoF had it. Guess I should reread my books sometime because it seems I'm mix matching details. Thank you, Edain Shadowstar, very informative and for taking the time to find that detail. Heh, lots of free times on his hand. Who would have thought? |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
173 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2009 : 14:38:52
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You should use the common names of the characters foremost, with their more esoteric names in parenthesis. For example, a great number of people know of The Simbul, but do not know that she born Alassra Shentrantra Silverhand.
Also, why is Vangy on the list when the Srinshee, Qysar Shoon, Ioulaum, Larloch, Aumvor, Saharel, the Sojourner, and others are excluded? |
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edappel
Learned Scribe
Brazil
211 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2009 : 20:40:34
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I thought about Szass Tam, specially after The Haunted Lands Trilogy..
But Karsus is Karsus. |
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SeeDiGi
Acolyte
Bermuda
34 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2009 : 23:26:10
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| karsus was the most powerful. no one can cast that spell again. |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
225 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2009 : 23:50:24
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| Aye, due to the no 10th level+ law, technically nobody can be as powerful as a fullblown netheril arcanist, especially with the 45 level progression. |
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Draezen
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Apr 2009 : 13:13:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
We know next to nothing about Ioulaum. Even the material that provides us with the 'best information' is the Netheril boxed set -- with all its drawbacks and failings. I'm sure there is much, much more to learn about Ioulaum.
Well, at least we know he was quite determined... in wiping out orcs 
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For all we know, he was the Mystryl equivalent of a Chosen of Mystra.
And to make things more interesting, he might not have known that he was. Maybe just like Karsus didn't know...
Hmm, that makes me think of stating him out with a chosen template  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2009 : 15:27:17
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Originally posted by Tyr
Aye, due to the no 10th level+ law, technically nobody can be as powerful as a fullblown netheril arcanist, especially with the 45 level progression.
Well, that depends on how one defines "powerful." I don't think it's solely about spell levels. |
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bolf66
Acolyte
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2009 : 19:24:17
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| in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2009 : 02:18:48
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Originally posted by bolf66
in my opinion if we look at sheer power bow to the simbul I personaly think that is he lived pre karsus folly and had there lack of limitation on spells she wouldn't need the avatar spell she'd be a goddess on her own right now others have mentioned it but best spellcaster as far as skill goes I'd pre demigod azuth who one on one spell battled the demi god of magic and not only wipped him but all but made him a slave that's skill
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2009 : 03:57:12
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Id wonder if there would be a good idea to make a thread on who was the most active arcanist in the realms
I think that would be even harder to measure than who the most powerful is... |
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Draezen
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 May 2009 : 12:32:53
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 May 2009 : 15:57:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Id wonder if there would be a good idea to make a thread on who was the most active arcanist in the realms
I think that would be even harder to measure than who the most powerful is...
Especially because we don't who about every character in Realms to begin with. The "most active arcanist" could be a character who has never seen print for any number of reasons (maybe it's a PC?). |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2009 : 19:43:00
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Originally posted by Draezen
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time.
El would have done that himself had he, you know, not used every single fiber of power he had to close the rift.
Its canon. Elminster is stronger than Mystra. |
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Vhostym The Sojourner
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 01:06:27
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| Dude... What about Larloch and Vhostym? Larloch OWNS Szass Tam... Literally. And the Shrinshee... A level 30 wizard with alot of levels in high elven mage as well as being a chosen. And perhaps Hesperdan... though there is little info on JUST how powerful he was. And why not Rivalen?... But he is a demigod now soooo... The Lich drow Dyrr seemed pretty damn powerful and so did Gromph... Though i doubt either would top say... the Simbul. But my vote goes with Elminster. |
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Vhostym The Sojourner
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 01:11:50
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Draezen
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Originally posted by Firestorm
In canon, Elminster basically tells Simbul in spellfire that if she opposed him, she would have been destroyed, and The Simbul herself declared to Elminster's face that she was certain he could beat her if they fought.
Her exact words were "I have seen what your art has wrought Elminster. If ever I should have to stand against it, I expect to fall."
Elminster is more powerful than the Simbul.
Well, yes, though the Simbul from El in Hell, the one who slay unique devils and pit fiends alike with titanic sequences of spells, would probably beat Elminster. Let's just forget the fact that she was empowered by Mystra at that time.
El would have done that himself had he, you know, not used every single fiber of power he had to close the rift.
Its canon. Elminster is stronger than Mystra.
Elminster is sooo NOT stronger than Mystra. Mystra is a GODDESS! And a greater power at that. And she is goddess of magic. If she wanted she could denie the weave and WHIP any mage like there was no tommorow. Shame that Cyric killed her... I think by all standards that he did it a bit easily considering all that hype during the shadow of the avatar crysis that Mytra was "the strongest god" |
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bolf66
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 16:08:30
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| in EL IN HELL wasn't there a flash back where EL and Simbul fought and she had him on the run |
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bolf66
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 16:56:57
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| I voted halaster but I like to change it because I remember a book that opened in undermountain where a anchient beholder was making a copy of shandril and up on the cealing HAL, EL and I think blackstaff where talking and EL punked Halaster |
perception is the real truth |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2009 : 17:20:37
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Originally posted by bolf66
I voted halaster but I like to change it because I remember a book that opened in undermountain where a anchient beholder was making a copy of shandril and up on the cealing HAL, EL and I think blackstaff where talking and EL punked Halaster
Having read most of the Realms novels, I gotta say, I don't recall this one... Unless it was Escape From Undermountain, a book I've done my best to forget, because I found its depiction of how Halaster ran Undermountain to be against canon and utterly silly. |
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Draezen
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Who is the best spellcaster in the realms
