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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Oct 2007 :  22:05:47  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

The only reason El needed saving from hell by that point was because he exhausted his spell repetoire. The simbul is on record for saying and has spoken directly to Elminster in the book spellfire, stating that she knows if they came to blows between the two that Elminster would beat her, and Elminster confirmed it. Then she took off her clothes, offered herself to him, and they made whoopie.




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Hahaha. Yeah:)

quote:
Why no Gromph? he has a right to be on that list

That's a joke right? Gromph is powerful by drow standard, but he would get murdered quickly by guys like Larloch, Elminster, and Telamont Tanthul.
Gromph might be around even footing with guys like Vangerdahast and some of the weaker princes of shade and possibly Manshoon(But not likely)
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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

The only reason El needed saving from hell by that point was because he exhausted his spell repetoire. The simbul is on record for saying and has spoken directly to Elminster in the book spellfire, stating that she knows if they came to blows between the two that Elminster would beat her, and Elminster confirmed it. Then she took off her clothes, offered herself to him, and they made whoopie.




I wasn't saying that she was more powerful than El, but I do think that she belongs on the list. The lady takes on the nation of Thay for fun!

EDIT: I forgot that the Simbul's name was Alassra Silverhand. The OP might want to make note of that.

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Its a common misconception that the Simbul handles Thayan armies with ease. Its far from the truth.
The Simbul CAN NOT, nor never could single handedly handle Thay, nor has she in a single sitting, with one on many destroyed whole armies of Thay.

She uses gorilla tactics of hit and run, and her own arrogance has nearly killed her at least once in the process.

Also, it is stated that should Thay unite, all lands around them have need to fear, as their combined known armies out number all combined forces of their surrounding neighbors. It is in fighting alone that keeps Toril safe from the power house that is Thay, not some upstart chosen next door who has some deep seeded hate for all that is Red.

She is definitely one of the most powerful casters though. A notch down from the powerhouses like Larloch, Elminster, Telemont Tanthul, Or a mind cleansed Halaster.
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Classically Ill say folks like everyones favorite elder brain lich, El, Larlock, Karsus but theres several other less well known casters who have to rank up there. What about the Elder treant "Mella Theeg"... She is a Wiz 36th/Brd20th. Thats 56 levels. Im sure theres some elder advanced dragons out there that could give nay mage a run for their money..

I remember playing Dwarves and Elves as a character class...
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Gromph might be around even footing with guys like Vangerdahast and some of the weaker princes of shade and possibly Manshoon(But not likely)


I disagree. Vanderdaghast IMO is more of a fledgling Archmage. He's powerful relative to non archmages but for an archmage he's on the lower end I believe. I would put Gromph squarely on Manshoon's level and he is probably significantly wiser.
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quote:
Originally posted by IronHammer

Classically Ill say folks like everyones favorite elder brain lich, El, Larlock, Karsus but theres several other less well known casters who have to rank up there. What about the Elder treant "Mella Theeg"... She is a Wiz 36th/Brd20th. Thats 56 levels. Im sure theres some elder advanced dragons out there that could give nay mage a run for their money..



Hmmm... is she a canon NPC? Because I thought that Turlang is the most powerful treant in the Realms...

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quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion



Hmmm... is she a canon NPC? Because I thought that Turlang is the most powerful treant in the Realms...


Shes in the Epic players handbook as the leader of the regulators. Shes not a FR's character..For some reason I had FR on the brain when I mentioned her

I remember playing Dwarves and Elves as a character class...
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I would say Srinshee. Fisrtly she is the only High Mage alive still to know the killing storm. She taught Elminster real magic. She is one if the oldest spellcaster in existance and she is a chosen of Mystra.

Edited by - Eol on 16 Nov 2007 15:53:01
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I do have to point out that the Simbul is listed in the FRCS as "the most powerful weilder of arcane magic in Faerun." Now, whether or not you take that at face value is entirely up to you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eol

I would say Shrinshee. Fisrtly she is the only High Mage alive still to know the killing storm. She taught Elminster real magic. She is one if the oldest spellcaster in existance and she is a chosen of Mystra.



I agree with the Srinshee being one of the most powerful casters, but I'm going to disagree with your other point. There is no reason for Srinshee to know the killing storm (unless I have missed a reference somewhere), though surely decended from the survivors of Miyeriter, she wasnt alive when the killing storm struck and her ancestors were survivors of the storm not the casters of the storm (ie the evil Sun Elves ).
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Posted - 16 Nov 2007 :  15:40:02  Show Profile  Visit Eol's Homepage Send Eol a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Look in Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves in the High Magic section. If I can remember correctly it say states that only Srinshee and one other High Mage (most probably Ualair the Silent) know the spell.

Edited by - Eol on 16 Nov 2007 15:52:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Eol

Look in Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves in the High Magic section. If I can remember correctly it say states that only Srinshee and one other High Mage (most probably Ullair the Silent) know the spell.



Indeed. Page 137:

quote:
The exact working of this ritual is lost to all but two High Mages on Toril; the Srinshee of Cormanthyr is one of them. The long-lost Killing Storm magic is a byproduct of this calamitous ritual, and involves the loss of life of all involved in the ritual including the twelve High Mages.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Eol

Look in Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves in the High Magic section. If I can remember correctly it say states that only Srinshee and one other High Mage (most probably Ullair the Silent) know the spell.



Indeed. Page 137:

quote:
The exact working of this ritual is lost to all but two High Mages on Toril; the Srinshee of Cormanthyr is one of them. The long-lost Killing Storm magic is a byproduct of this calamitous ritual, and involves the loss of life of all involved in the ritual including the twelve High Mages.




Very cool, thanks for pointing that out to me.
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Earlier in this thread, Charles Phipps wrote:

"I'm going to go with a different set of criteria really that anyone else in order to handle this matter. In addition to levels; my criteria is going to be that they wield their power effectively along with possess wisdom, intelligence to use their powers, and personalities that prevent them from abusing their power."

I like the reasoning there. I will add my 2 cents, for Alustriel Silverhand. I don't doubt for a second that this will likely cause a series of outraged howls. I also realize that when it comes to sheer power, and the ability to face a straight-up combat, Alustriel is not even near the top. However, she out and out flattens most of the others in a number of other areas.

According to 3e Forgotten Realms sourcebook, a Mythal has been laid upon Silverymoon. I would guess that it would be safe to assume Alustriel was largely responsible for this, though she would have had help, of course. How many others, outside of Elminster, could make that claim?

Going by the old 2e spell lists (I'm not yet fully familiar w/ 3e), she is one of the top five most prolific, living, spellcasters in terms of new spell creation. Elminster and the Simbul have created some spells of higher level, and Laeral has created the most, but Alustriel is solid here, and shows the ability to work with another (some of her researches were done in conjunction with Sylune) A solid contribution to the advancement of magic.

In terms of wisdom, and effective use of power, how many of the others rule justly and wisely as Lady Hope? She has made Silverymoon into one of the most powerful and important cities in Faerun, including building the Spellguard, maybe not as large a group as the War Wizards, but every bit as effective. She has also taken a large, and diverse group of scattered northern outposts, and has made them into a nation.

She certainly possesses a personality which keeps her from abusing the power she's gathered to herself. In addition to her own abilities, she has gathered powerful followers (yes, most mages do), some of whom have devoted their lives to her ideals, including another Archmage (Taern "Old Thunderspells" Hornblade-L18), who serve her out of love, never fear.

In addition to her own power, she is able to draw upon the resources of her city, and to a lesser degree, the resources of the rest of her nation. Not only an Archmage, but in essence, a Queen as well, albeit without the title.

She also goes out of her way to aid adventurers and travelers, and was/is a major force within the Harpers, helping make a difference for good in the Realms.

Also according to the 3e books, Silverymoon, and the libraries found there might trail only Candlekeep & The Heralds' Holdfast as repositories of knowledge on the surface of Faerun. I've heard it said, "knowledge is power".

There was an outstanding Dragon Magazine article, when 2e was still the base, which outlined the Palace of Silverymoon, and it was mentioned in that article that the palace was home to possibly the largest stash of magical items and artifacts anywhere outside of Blackstaff Tower.

True, many of the things listed here are not, in the strictest sense, magical power, but they do represent power weilded, directly or indirectly by an archmage from the list.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Eol

I would say Shrinshee. Fisrtly she is the only High Mage alive still to know the killing storm. She taught Elminster real magic. She is one if the oldest spellcaster in existance and she is a chosen of Mystra.



I agree with the Srinshee being one of the most powerful casters, but I'm going to disagree with your other point. There is no reason for Srinshee to know the killing storm (unless I have missed a reference somewhere), though surely decended from the survivors of Miyeriter, she wasnt alive when the killing storm struck and her ancestors were survivors of the storm not the casters of the storm (ie the evil Sun Elves ).
-Tig




I share the opinion that the Srinshee was the greatest spellcaster ever existed in the Realms. Not just powerful but kind and pragmatic. A true pragon. She was also a rather enigmatic being with unscrutable intelligence. And the most interesting proof of her unparalleled magical powers was the fact, that after centuries of being the wardnorn of the Wault of Ages and in the same time the lorenorn of the Armathors she revived from her baelnorn state to a living elfmaid; She merged almost everthing in one entity what was the the glory of Myth Drannor. So I favor her highly above all the spellcasters existent at the present.

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The Srinshee makes Elminster and the other chosen look like *****-kittens, she was level 30 in the old 2nd Ed rules and would also possess some of the most powerful items in the realms to back her up.

Plus she knows High Magic (or Epic "mythal" magic (cop-out!) as it is in 3rd ed).

PS - I HATE the 3rd edition take on Elven High mages, whoever wrote the High Mage prestige class in races of Faerun wants to be chased from the WOTC HQ by an angry mob and lynching.
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Larloch.

You might have to give a nod to Azuth too. (What? It didn't say "nondivine" )

Otherwise, well, I'm sure there are some Creator race casters that are pretty good.

But really, the best caster is one we don't know.
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Originally posted by Amluril Dire-Weaselbane

PS - I HATE the 3rd edition take on Elven High mages, whoever wrote the High Mage prestige class in races of Faerun wants to be chased from the WOTC HQ by an angry mob and lynching.



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What's the problem with that PrC in Races of Faerūn?

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quote:
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What's the problem with that PrC in Races of Faerūn?



-Plenty. Most glaring is that it does not stick to the established precidence of what a Selu'Taar is, and what a Selu'Taar does, mechanically, very well. As something else, it's a solid PrC.

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I completely agree with the Srinshee, but is she on the same planar level??
Otherwise I go for Larloch or Elminster - too hard to choose. Possibilities in the city of wyrmshadows - Patron Father Mauzkyll Jaezred of the Jaezred Chaulssin. Could Nimor have defeated Gromph? I assume Mauzkyll has Ten times Nimors power, Are there stats or something anyone??? He must be number one in the Underdark at least.
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