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Darkheyr
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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 :  15:08:23  Show Profile  Visit Darkheyr's Homepage  Send Darkheyr an ICQ Message  Click to see Darkheyr's MSN Messenger address Send Darkheyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Telamont, Iolaum, Halaster - to name three of them. Unsurprising, considering they all out-age him by a millenia or two.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 :  18:42:24  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*nods* But what does Larloch do, for instance? He just wants to be sit there in his tower and be left alone. That's not something that inspires me to give him my vote.

Same goes for people like Telemont--from what I've heard, the novels he is in deliberately make many of the established characters (such as the Chosen) look bad/stupid/incapable; not exactly something that makes me want to call him the best spellcaster.

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Well, the novels are bad, but Telamont is pretty cool - however, even in the novels, he never does anything that qualifies him as "the best spellcaster".

I guess no one is joining me for Drizzt, eh?

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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 :  19:04:33  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane

Well, the novels are bad, but Telamont is pretty cool - however, even in the novels, he never does anything that qualifies him as "the best spellcaster".

I guess no one is joining me for Drizzt, eh?

C-Fb



Well, hey, he can throw a mean globe of darkness, right!

Anyway, the gist of what I'm saying is that I consider the whole of the character when I decide who is the "best spellcaster", and also, the fact is that I have an emotional connection to Elminster that I just don't have with the likes of Telemont, Larloch, or Iolaum (I barely know anything about that last one).

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Telamont isnīt that bad. After all (minor spoiler)
he subdues the will of the dracolich who lords over Anaurochs blues without any real effort.



I`ve also heard about spellcasters called Hesperdan, Iyraclea and Shaaan. I think I`ve heard about the first somewhere, but who are they? They are mentioned as being as strong as Larloch.

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quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Telamont isnīt that bad. After all (minor spoiler)
he subdues the will of the dracolich who lords over Anaurochs blues without any real effort.



I`ve also heard about spellcasters called Hesperdan, Iyraclea and Shaaan. I think I`ve heard about the first somewhere, but who are they? They are mentioned as being as strong as Larloch.



Iyraclea is detailed in the ELH, and Shaaan you'll see something on soon. Hesperdan I have no clue about.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 :  20:42:22  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia
Hesperdan I have no clue about.



He is featured in Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood. :) I'm not sure how powerful a caster he is though.

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Arivia
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Arivia
Hesperdan I have no clue about.



He is featured in Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood. :) I'm not sure how powerful a caster he is though.



Ah, thanks.

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You're welcome. :)

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Wooly Rupert
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Hesperdan is in the tale How Wisdom Came to the Maimed Wizard, which can also be found on the Wizards website.

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Darkheyr
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quote:
Well, the novels are bad, but Telamont is pretty cool - however, even in the novels, he never does anything that qualifies him as "the best spellcaster".


He is a level 35 caster, though. And pretty darn old. Novels are just that, novels. The Archwizards books are plain silly, thats aboot it, so I'm definitly not judging by that.
Also dont forget his mostly epic-level sons (most of them spellcasters) and the entire might of Shade behind him.

As for Iolaum: He is widely considered the second most powerful arcanist of Old Netheril, and was already old during Karsus' rise to power. He fled before the Fall, and by now he is an undead elder brain wizard or something equally strange. Without doubt one of the most powerful "mortals" of Faerûn. I can get you some more information once I'm home if you want :)

I also believe a former student of Iolaum is living somewhere around Red Larch...

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Khaa
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Posted - 03 Nov 2005 :  13:10:50  Show Profile  Visit Khaa's Homepage Send Khaa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone remember the wizards in R.A. Salvatore's series? There name escapes me... The ones who have "Puddlejumper" and one of them is a werewolf. I really like them. How many wizards sit around inventing spells no matter what happens to them.

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Crennen FaerieBane
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Good point, Khaa. There are several criteria besides power and levels that could determine one to be the "best" caster of the Realms. It is a very subjective word, indeed.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Khaa

Anyone remember the wizards in R.A. Salvatore's series? There name escapes me... The ones who have "Puddlejumper" and one of them is a werewolf. I really like them. How many wizards sit around inventing spells no matter what happens to them.



The Harpells. Bidderdoo (what a horrible name!) was the werewolf. Malchor Harpell is a normal mage, and a powerful one at that, but the rest of his clan are a few orcs short of a horde.

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Fletcher
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Elminster it is. There is a distinct difference between best and most powerful. El isn't the most poweful wizard out there, but he has made the greatest difference with what power he has.

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quote:
Originally posted by Khaa

Anyone remember the wizards in R.A. Salvatore's series? There name escapes me... The ones who have "Puddlejumper" and one of them is a werewolf. I really like them. How many wizards sit around inventing spells no matter what happens to them.



I really like the Harpells too, specially Harkle and his spell that allows him to know things but making him banish if revealing them, I have never seen any wizard using such a spell; (sorry at this moment I can't remember the name of the spell). Someone must be a slightly powerful wizard to use this. But I am not saying he is the most powerful though, it is a too subjective opinion.

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Darkheyr
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quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher

Elminster it is. There is a distinct difference between best and most powerful. El isn't the most poweful wizard out there, but he has made the greatest difference with what power he has.



I suggest you read up on the wizards I mentioned ;)

Especially Larloch is a master schemer - he just doesn't WANT to control or influence the entire world. He's happy gathering knowledge and magic items.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  20:00:46  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I look at this question from a very humanistic perspective. *shrug* Iolaum might be old and powerful, but come on, now he's some sort of brain? How can I relate to that? Same goes for the Shades. Old they may be, but didn't they spend much of their lives on a distant plane? I like someone who is not just powerful and old, but walks the Realms with everyone else, interacts with everyday folk, learns from them, and shares his gifts with others.

And I agree that "powerful" is a deceptively subjective term.

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Darkheyr
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True. I rate from experience, personal power and influence.

Elminster has the Chosen of Mystra and other friends, Telamont has his Shades, Szass Tam has Thay, Larloch his cadre of liches... Hard to tell the most powerful. But just from their vast collected knowledge and experience, I couldn't go with Elminster, but Larloch, Halaster, Telamont and Iolaum. Halaster doubly so, because he's insane :P

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Fascinating replies from all who had replied, thank you!, nice and honest replies from Darkheyr and Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, rarely do I come across such honest replies, well thanks by the way.

So far based on the polls, it appears that Elminister has the leading vote, not surprising anyway but rather much expected since the Old Sage is considered currently the realms' greatest spellcaster or what some says as the currently most powerful spellcaster given he has Mystra's favor.
Halaster may be mad and insane and a sure supermage, but he is capable of exerting his tremendous power when it is needed, heard that he can go One on One with the 9 Chosen of Mystra, or maybe go against all 9. Also, he is considerably patient enough to complete his Undermountain project which he manipulates it as though it was his playhouse. Larloch is reclusive, gang-boss of a circle of liches(ex-archwizards) and yet possessing insurmountable power and wisdom, a level 46 mage, ex-netheril supermage with enough wits to fight Karsus, but he had created the Death Moon Orb, one of the most hotly contested and fought over items. Telamont Tanthul, near supermage was heard to be a former mentalist(some say so which may explain why he was able to use his will to tame a dracolich) and Telamont may have the backing of 500 shades or so, Telamont himself is hard to take on especially when he is made of shadowstuff(100% pure shadowstuff quality) and with a incredible mastery of the Shadow Weave but Telamont's body is ailing weak. Elminister may be near a thousand years old with great mastery of the Weave magics, a supermage yes, but he seems slightly addled of mind.

How I consider in my opinion of who is considered the most superior and powerful spellcaster is based on my personal catergory:
1) Ability to eliminate powerful opponents whether they are in massive numbers or small numbers and conquering powerful spellcasters with minimum exertion of efforts and done in the shortest time.
2) Flexible, adaptable and pragmatic, able to bend the situation to his will and whim as well as responding to change of situations in the most appropriate way as the situation demands.
3) Control-example: no stuttering and stammering during spellcasting- and decisiveness with incredible willpower in himself/herself.
4) Great planner and strategist with foresight, I mean, like able to forsee what potential threats may arise against his/her power, and developing superpowerful spells in advance to deal with the threats and alongside a sound planned strategy to implement the spells against the threats. Larloch and Telamont Tanthul(has anyone read his personal spellbook yet?) are good examples.
5) Charisma.
6) Posssessing Unbreakable Devotion and Unbreakable concentration, unshakable determination and great perseverance.
7) Casting spells with Exteme speed(as fast as possible but at least above a newly graduated mage and above a lvl 30 mage) and extreme ruthlessness, with mind set on the results and victory, I mean like Drizzt being the Hunter, killing with extreme speed and extreme ruthlessness.
8) Learning quickly from personal defeats and others' defeats.
9) A constant thinker and analyzer, never sitting around and hanging up the legs.

Guess who among the spellcasters has the most number of listed points in my catergory?


Edited by - Magus Rages on 07 Nov 2005 11:40:05
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Khaa
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Posted - 07 Nov 2005 :  13:25:13  Show Profile  Visit Khaa's Homepage Send Khaa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im dunno who. But think of the Harpells!

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Narm - the damsel in distress

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Crennen FaerieBane
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I guess I look at this question from a very humanistic perspective. *shrug* Iolaum might be old and powerful, but come on, now he's some sort of brain? How can I relate to that? Same goes for the Shades. Old they may be, but didn't they spend much of their lives on a distant plane? I like someone who is not just powerful and old, but walks the Realms with everyone else, interacts with everyday folk, learns from them, and shares his gifts with others.

And I agree that "powerful" is a deceptively subjective term.



Well, to be fair, the Shades didn't ask to be away from Faerun for all that time.

Powerful is a very relative term - like I said, look at Szass Tam, he may not have all the levels, but he certainly has more underlings who are powerful than, let's say Khelben. I know that Khelben has a great many friends, but you don't control friends through power - underlines you do.

There is a lot of different scales that can be used to discuss powerful.

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Why Sleyvas of Thay, of course <g>. So he lacks the sheer power of these others. He makes up for it in creativity.

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Posted - 07 Nov 2005 :  20:15:28  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Magus Rages

Fascinating replies from all who had replied, thank you!, nice and honest replies from Darkheyr and Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, rarely do I come across such honest replies, well thanks by the way.


You're more than welcome.

quote:
Guess who among the spellcasters has the most number of listed points in my catergory?




Hmm, I don't know...Elminster? The Simbul? :) Although Elminster isn't as obsessed with "power", IMO, as a lot of other mages are, which may be a good thing. He has taken it upon himself to look beyond his personal power and work for all good people in the Realms.

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