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Rocheval
Seeker
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 Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 02:25:22
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Well here is a snippet from a dragon article -I think- "Once More the Three" that was edited in the 2ed Seven Sisters accessory by Ed.
"I don't know if I approve of such secret meetings, and the magical knowledge that may from time to time inadvertently spilled in them," the Simbul said softly, looking around at the three mages.
"Its not your place,lady, to approve or disapprove," Dalamar said coldly, and the rings on his hands winked in unison.
Mordenkainen turned swiftly to him and said in a voice of cold iron, "No. Work no magic, if you would live."
Dalamar drew back. His eyes darkened as he asked carefully, "Are you threatening me?"
"No," said the mage of Greyhawk, in a voice whose silky menace matched Dalamar's own, "I'm trying to keep you alive, Dalamar. This Lady mage can overmatch you easily-I believe she could best any two of us, in wide-open spell battle. So belt up."
Now things might have been said differently if Halaster had been sitting at the table but I believe the Simbul would be in sheer terms more powerful than him. The Simbul seems to be more raw magic incarnate, and may even one day take Mystra's place, as she openingly defies Mystra and Azuth, as well as Ed and Khelben. |
"I will vanish into the night; change my body to wood or stone; sink into the earth and walk through locked doors. I will be killed many times, yet will not die" excerpt from Ninja No Chigri (Way of the Tiger series) |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
5986 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 03:00:11
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The best spellcaster in the Realms is obviously Kalithra "Silvertresses" Tormal. Why even the great Elminster himself has commented on how gracefully and beautifully she weaves her spells and 'grasps the Weave'. A real talent, he notes.
-- George Krashos
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
34020 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 03:50:32
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The best spellcaster in the Realms is obviously Kalithra "Silvertresses" Tormal. Why even the great Elminster himself has commented on how gracefully and beautifully she weaves her spells and 'grasps the Weave'. A real talent, he notes.
-- George Krashos
And where does this reference come from, Sir Krash? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 03:56:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The best spellcaster in the Realms is obviously Kalithra "Silvertresses" Tormal. Why even the great Elminster himself has commented on how gracefully and beautifully she weaves her spells and 'grasps the Weave'. A real talent, he notes.
-- George Krashos
And where does this reference come from, Sir Krash?
Actually, I'm rather curious about that myself. The reference doesn't immediately come to mind, at least not in FR. I know of a character by the name of Silvertresses, but she belongs to the DRAGONLANCE setting.
Krash?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
5986 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 05:53:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And where does this reference come from, Sir Krash?
Oh, my noggin' really. I was just being naughty and in my own particular obtuse fashion telling posters that there is no 'right' answer to this kind of thread. But it's always nice to make up realmslore on the fly - I'll sneak Kalithra into the FR firmament, somewhere, somewhen; never you fear.
-- George Krashos
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 06:03:20
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And where does this reference come from, Sir Krash?
Oh, my noggin' really. I was just being naughty and in my own particular obtuse fashion telling posters that there is no 'right' answer to this kind of thread. But it's always nice to make up realmslore on the fly - I'll sneak Kalithra into the FR firmament, somewhere, somewhen; never you fear.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 06:04:23
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh, my noggin' really. I was just being naughty and in my own particular obtuse fashion telling posters that there is no 'right' answer to this kind of thread.
Very true!
That's probably why I hardly ever contribute to such discussions. There's likely to always be a thousand different reasons why one spellcaster is better than another, but the simple fact is... no spellcaster in the Realms can truly be catagorised as the "typical" mage. Measuring up other magic users is pointless since there's little basis for comparison to standard mage types.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
5986 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 07:22:53
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Originally posted by Arivia
Mind if I steal her for an upcoming project?
Be my guest, Arivia. Like Ed, I think it's always good to share the sandbox. Would love to see what you come up with - a Candlekeep Compendium piece, mayhap?
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 07:24:15
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Arivia
Mind if I steal her for an upcoming project?
Be my guest, Arivia. Like Ed, I think it's always good to share the sandbox. Would love to see what you come up with - a Candlekeep Compendium piece, mayhap?
-- George Krashos
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
34020 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 11:22:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh, my noggin' really. I was just being naughty and in my own particular obtuse fashion telling posters that there is no 'right' answer to this kind of thread.
Very true!
That's probably why I hardly ever contribute to such discussions. There's likely to always be a thousand different reasons why one spellcaster is better than another, but the simple fact is... no spellcaster in the Realms can truly be catagorised as the "typical" mage. Measuring up other magic users is pointless since there's little basis for comparison to standard mage types.
Agreed. That's the same reason I hadn't said too much. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 14:29:32
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But seriously? Wouldn't Harkle Harpell top one of the lists somewhere?
I think when one uses the term, "typical" mage, they mean those mages that belong to secret group/government/alliance that are always the low level ones. Like a "typical Red Wizard of Thay" or a typical "Cowled Wizard," blah and blah.
I think when you make your own name, like El/Halastar/Szass/Larloch/etc, you then become the atypical mage and can be categorized that way.
After writing that, I am not quite sure what I was getting at. I hate getting old.
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Khaa
Learned Scribe
USA
80 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 14:39:42
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Rocheval
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 16:29:31
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I'm also not big on stats and this new-fangled 3ed. multi class thinga-ma-jiggy used in comparing the best of the best. As it has always been, in your campaign you decide the ranking of the uber mages. And straying further off-topic, the Realms has been the, to put it nicely, the most magically rich fantasy setting i've seen anywhere. I guess its like a sound-bite from another great wizard "...when the world was young and there were more than seven colors in the rainbow"
Another post I found interesting was about RPG mages in general on RPG.net
edit: link did not work
Sorry to stray off-topic. |
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kikeyo
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 19:35:05
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2005 : 22:54:37
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I voted for El, he just seems to have his hand in alittle bit of everything and shaping the realms to his liking. The Simbul was my second choice. El would seem to win a battle using strategy/tactics being tricky and resourceful and the Simbul seems to just use brute magical force to beat them down. It is impossible to judge who would win in a fight and such, but no matter who the victor is I bet a huge chunk of the realms would be destroyed lol
I would say a majority of the members here have read about Drizzt, I personally have read all of the novels he was in. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 00:53:02
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Originally posted by kikeyo
any body read about drizzt
Yes, most of us have. However I don't really think he can be categorised as a "contender" in this discussion.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 02:34:19
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Drizzt can cast Darkness, Sage, c'mon!
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 06:18:59
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There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 14:20:35
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Yeah, I want this poll amended!
I now vote Drizzt as the best spellcaster! I know Kajehase's with me!
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Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 01 Nov 2005 : 20:02:06
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| I think Elminster would have beaten the Simbul even if we are using 2E stats. Why? Because Elminster has the wisdom and experience that comes with great age--he is almost twice the Simbul's age. There are other kinds of power besides that which is measured by stats. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 Nov 2005 : 20:22:01
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Blasphemy! Bring the comfy chair and the soft cushions!
You're absolutely right Rinonalyrna, however, aren't there a few spellcasters out there that makes even El seem like a young pup? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Nov 2005 : 20:45:58
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Blasphemy! Bring the comfy chair and the soft cushions!
You're absolutely right Rinonalyrna, however, aren't there a few spellcasters out there that makes even El seem like a young pup?
Yeah, but there is something about Elminster's attitude (and popularity) that makes me prefer to give him my vote. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 : 00:28:12
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Larloch would be one of those that could whoop on El - however, he probably doesn't look like Sean Connery as much. Shaken, not stirred.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 02 Nov 2005 : 15:00:32
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Blasphemy! Bring the comfy chair and the soft cushions!
You're absolutely right Rinonalyrna, however, aren't there a few spellcasters out there that makes even El seem like a young pup?
Could you please give me some info about these uber-munchkins then? The only one I know of who definitely is stronger than Elminster in pure Art is Larloch. |
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