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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  17:21:05  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I'm no fan of the Elminster books, myself.

As for the Lost Gods books, you can skip book 2, Fistandantilus Returns. It's a Dragginglance novel, and one that failed to do anything for me. The only thing it really does is introduce a single character for the third book, Tymora's Luck. And since that character is a kender, the backstory isn't terribly important.



...just...



Which part boggles your mind, the title of the second book, or the fact that a Realms novel (set almost entirely in the planes) has a kender in it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm no fan of the Elminster books, myself.

As for the Lost Gods books, you can skip book 2, Fistandantilus Returns. It's a Dragginglance novel, and one that failed to do anything for me. The only thing it really does is introduce a single character for the third book, Tymora's Luck. And since that character is a kender, the backstory isn't terribly important.



...just...



Which part boggles your mind, the title of the second book, or the fact that a Realms novel (set almost entirely in the planes) has a kender in it?



Well met

I think it may be thy first original sentance, Furry One

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Wooly Rupert
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My list of books to obtain/read. Any feedback on ones to steer clear of or get at all costs would be helpful :)
(snip)




I guess I'll follow everyone's lead and offer more specific opinions...

Evermeet -- One of my personal faves. Highly recommended.

Shadow of the Avatars trilogy -- It's been a long time since I read this trilogy; I really wasn't a fan. I should prolly reread it, to give it another try.

Lost Gods series -- See above my note about book 2; Books 1 and 3 are by Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb, who are phenomenal Realms authors. I can't recommend these books highly enough, especially if you enjoyed the Finder's Stone trilogy.

Elminster Series -- Again, I'm just not a huge fan of the Elminster books, save for Elminster's Daughter, which I really enjoyed.

Starlight and Shadows series -- Elaine is another Realms phenom. These books are also highly recommended.

War of the spider queen -- I just started reading it myself, so I can't give an opinion.

Erevis Cale trilogy -- I've not read any of those, since I've not read the Sembia books (still trying to get them all). Still, I've heard nothing but good things about these books.

The Rogues Series -- I've not ready many of the class books at all, and none of the Rogues ones.

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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm no fan of the Elminster books, myself.

As for the Lost Gods books, you can skip book 2, Fistandantilus Returns. It's a Dragginglance novel, and one that failed to do anything for me. The only thing it really does is introduce a single character for the third book, Tymora's Luck. And since that character is a kender, the backstory isn't terribly important.



...just...



Which part boggles your mind, the title of the second book, or the fact that a Realms novel (set almost entirely in the planes) has a kender in it?



Well met

I think it may be thy first original sentance, Furry One



Yeah, I guess it could be that, too. It's odd, since the Realms is his playground, but most of Ed's novels just haven't grabbed me. Admittedly, I've enjoyed the two most recent ones I've read (The City of Splendors: A Waterdeep Novel, co-written with Elaine, and Elminster's Daughter), so I should perhaps go back and re-read some of the others. It's been my experience that sometimes a book you don't care for early on becomes quite enjoyable years later.

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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  18:20:20  Show Profile  Visit Dremvek's Homepage Send Dremvek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As for the Rogues books, they kind of need to be addressed one at a time, as they are all completely unrelated.

The Alabaster Staff by Edward Bolme was my favorite of the series, with an interesting plot and interesting characters. This features kind of a slight-of-hand type rogue - not your typical hardened thief and not a killer.

The Yellow Silk by Don Bassingthwaite was also very enjoyable for me, as it featured a Bard, a profession I wish would come up more often in novels, as I find them fascinating. A good story that taught me a lot about bards.

The Crimson Gold by Voronica Whitney-Robinson features the character Tazi from the Sembia series. This book's first 200-250 pages were amazingly good, but the ending was kind of a let down for me. From comments I've read on the book, this is kind of a common assessment. Still not a bad read. Tazi's a great character, and I am disappointed Voronica doesn't write for FR anymore, because I'd like to know more about her.

The Black Bouquet by Richard Lee Byers is the last in the series. Or the first. I'm not entirely sure of publication order. This was interesting story about a theft gone bad. I enjoyed the plot line of this book - it had several twists in it, and the reader is never fully sure of what is really happening until after the fact.

The biggest limitation to all of these class-based novels is that they are one-shot books. The reason, in my opinion, that trilogies are so popular in a fantasy setting is that you get 900-1000 pages to tell a story rather than trying to fit it all into 300 pages. Some of these stories could have been expanded quite well, and I would have enjoyed them a lot more. As it stands, however, I would rate these novels as average to above average - none of them were bad, but I think there are other books in FR (Erevis Cale trilogy in particular since you're into rogues) that are better.
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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  18:41:05  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dremvek

The Black Bouquet by Richard Lee Byers is the last in the series. Or the first. I'm not entirely sure of publication order.


Well met

The actual order of the Rogues series is:

The Alabaster Staff
The Black Bouquet
The Crimson Gold
The Yellow Silk

Not that it really matters, and the tales are not linked and can be read in any order.

Thank ye for the recommendations folks. Keep 'em coming

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Arivia
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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  19:35:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Which part boggles your mind, the title of the second book, or the fact that a Realms novel (set almost entirely in the planes) has a kender in it?



Kender in Faerun = forks in eyeball time, here.
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Dremvek
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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  20:17:58  Show Profile  Visit Dremvek's Homepage Send Dremvek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo


The actual order of the Rogues series is:



Alphabetical Order - who would have guessed?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 May 2006 :  21:08:21  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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quote:
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Which part boggles your mind, the title of the second book, or the fact that a Realms novel (set almost entirely in the planes) has a kender in it?



Kender in Faerun = forks in eyeball time, here.



If it's any consolation, it was just a single kender, and most of the novel was spent in Sigil and the planes. 'Twas only at the end that having a kender in the Realms was even mentioned.

Besides, with kender wanderlust being what it is, I'd be surprised if there weren't already a couple of isolated kender in the Realms, having arrived either thru planar travel or via spelljamming.

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Kaladorm
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Posted - 03 May 2006 :  13:14:35  Show Profile  Visit Kaladorm's Homepage Send Kaladorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the recommendations Scribes, I think its fairly clear it'll be worth the money to buy a new copy of Evermeet rather than wait for a second hand one to appear hehe.

I think I will get Fistandantilus Returns too, partly because I loved the Finders Stone trilogy and want to read as much as I can related to it, and partly because I'd feel silly having an incomplete trilogy

Perhaps I'll rob a bookstore.....
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Posted - 03 May 2006 :  13:28:13  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I think I will get Fistandantilus Returns too, partly because I loved the Finders Stone trilogy and want to read as much as I can related to it, and partly because I'd feel silly having an incomplete trilogy
I didn't enjoy the second book myself... which is likely a surprise for some considering my love for Dragonlance. My dislike primarily revolves around the fact that the events of the novel itself remain largely in "disputed canon territory" -- in other words, both 2e and 3e versions of the DL setting provide alternate interpretations of the novel and only adds to further confuse readers not already familiar with Fisty's origins. I'd be more happy if game designers decided which interpretation was accurate and stick with that -- because with DL, newer lore doesn't always trump older lore.

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I didn't think it was all that interesting, and I dislike the DL setting's habit of going sideways and backwards, rather than forwards. The fact that this one was apparently either an alternate timeline or one that got pre-empted (I wasn't sure which) didn't help at all.

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Interestingly, there's a healthy debate on the DL boards at the moment about the actual status of this novel in the DL timeline. I'll quote any interesting tidbits that pop-up here at Candlekeep.

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Kaladorm
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Posted - 04 May 2006 :  10:59:01  Show Profile  Visit Kaladorm's Homepage Send Kaladorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Sage. I've not got involved in the DL setting Lore and such, only those novels I've read (Chronicles (inc Summer Flame), Legends, and War of Souls), so I probably wouldn't understand any twists in the canon stuff, just appreciate it as a simple story :)

I went on a spending spree yesterday (oops!) and got Evermeet, Finders Bane, Fistandantilus Reborn, and the Starlight and Shadows gift set for 25 :)

Should keep me going for a while. Can't find a copy of Tymoras luck for less than 15, and the Erevis Cale trilogy will have to wait until it's a bit older and cheaper :).
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Finders Bane was pretty good :) It does amuse me how Finder is a less than perfect god. Very sweet ending too.

I know it's not strictly FR, but are there any other novels set in Sigil?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 May 2006 :  09:52:00  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Part of Tymora's Luck happens there, but I believe that's it.

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dannyfu
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hey guys, i have ordered the Dragon back issue where eliath craulnober uses the moonblade. i have heard about it and i can' wait to read it. however, outside of "evermeet, island of elves" i haven't read any books with him in it. which novels spotlight eliath? thanks.
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Elaith appears in Elaine's Songs & Swords-books (except in Silver Shadows which is set in Tethyr during the Interregnum), Ed Greenwood's Silverfall, and in their collaboration - The City of Splendours.

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dannyfu
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Posted - 18 May 2006 :  20:48:05  Show Profile  Visit dannyfu's Homepage Send dannyfu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thank you Kajehase, so i guess he isn't the star of his own novel yet huh?
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lelorien
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Posted - 24 May 2006 :  20:40:42  Show Profile  Visit lelorien's Homepage  Click to see lelorien's MSN Messenger address Send lelorien a Private Message  Reply with Quote
any good book sugestions for someone that has read the hole legend of drizzt, elminsters and the war of the spider queen?
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Posted - 24 May 2006 :  22:05:49  Show Profile  Visit Jhoebryn's Homepage Send Jhoebryn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Finder's Stone Trilogy
The Sembia Series
The Everis Cale trilogy

Edited by - Jhoebryn on 24 May 2006 22:06:11
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You know, I just read the other day that Tymora's Luck was originally slated to be a Planescape novel. That makes a lot of sense, considering the setting of the novel itself and the fact that the trilogy already had a Realms novel...

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Indeed, that's right.

In fact, as I recall... it was actually meant to be duology rather than a solo novel but the writer was later told to keep it solo for the Realms trilogy.

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lelorien
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thank you. Are those the kind of books were you have a single hero like elminster or drizzt?
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mavericace
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I have just started the first book in the The Finder's Stone Trilogy and am enjoying it a lot. thanks guys.
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