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Rhezarnos
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2005 : 17:26:51
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A question came up to my mind after I visited a dwarven mine and an elven settlement. Is it possible for them to cross breed? These...'dwelves', do they exist? What do they look like? What abilities do they possess? I'm really interested about this and hope for feedback, be it suggestions or comments. A better name instead of 'dwelf' is also appreciated.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2005 : 17:28:46
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Yes, but they are rare. See Dwarves Deep and 1 is also mentioned in the Cormanthyr sourcebook.
As for abilities, looks, etc. Ed or Steven would be the best to who can supply details. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Malaysia
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Posted - 19 Mar 2005 : 17:44:24
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yes, but they are rare. See Dwarves Deep and 1 is also mentioned in the Cormanthyr sourcebook.
As for abilities, looks, etc. Ed or Steven would be the best to who can supply details. :)
A thousand thanks. Now two questions come into mind: How are they brought up? And how are they received by their community? |
Playing a winged dwarf with acrophobia is fun. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2005 : 18:10:34
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
A thousand thanks. Now two questions come into mind: How are they brought up? And how are they received by their community?
To hard to answer, really. It would vary from community to community. :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2005 : 18:11:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dwarf/elf crossbreeds... I'll bet they love petrified wood! 
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Jargan
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:05:06
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| What else are they going to come up with? Dwelves... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:14:05
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Originally posted by Jargan
What else are they going to come up with? Dwelves...
Hey its 3ed anything can breed with anything.
The Drageloth takes the cake when comes to the Ewwww factor
Ive been buying the D&D mini line and I have both a Glabezu and a Female drow cleric mini
the female Drow cleric comes up to the Glabezu's knees............
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Jargan
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:16:51
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| Drow pride themselves on beauty....how could they 'you know' with that? |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:20:49
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:27:25
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Now THERE'S a picture I don't need!
Heres another one
How well "endowered" do you think a 15 feet tall 5,500 pound Glabrezu is?
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Jargan
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:29:27
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| Ok this is quite enough....you guys know im 15 right |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:31:21
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Ok this is quite enough....you guys know im 15 right
Then you better not read RA Salvatores novel Homeland |
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Jargan
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:32:21
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Finished the entire salvatore trilogies... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:33:55
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Finished the entire salvatore trilogies...
Then youve already read about Kinky Demon sex |
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Jargan
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:36:44
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| I really dont remember any, but i try not to remember those things. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:39:06
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I really dont remember any, but i try not to remember those things.
It actually isnt that stated, I didnt pick it up until I read the Monsters of Faerun entry for the Drageloth and Id read Homeland 3 or 4 times before that and never picked up what was going on |
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Jargan
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 02:40:16
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| Ahh....I have only read Homeland 2 times. |
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Malaysia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 05:04:39
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| You think they'd do a cross-breed with a dwarf? The fiends, I mean. Wonder what's the end product... |
Playing a winged dwarf with acrophobia is fun. |
Edited by - Rhezarnos on 20 Mar 2005 05:05:24 |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 05:08:50
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
You think they'd do a cross-breed with a dwarf? The fiends, I mean. Wonder what's the end product...
Theres a cross breed between a Dwarf and Devil its called a Durzagon its in MM2 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 06:13:21
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
You think they'd do a cross-breed with a dwarf? The fiends, I mean. Wonder what's the end product...
Theres a cross breed between a Dwarf and Devil its called a Durzagon its in MM2
And the maeluths... a planetouched variety of dwarf and devil. They're detailed in the 3e Fiend Folio. Here's an illustration - http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ff_gallery/50126.jpg
The maeluth is the first creature from the left.
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 06:22:03
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Hi (first post here)
So, an elf/dwarf crossbreed, hmm.
Well, since both parents are from such long lived races, I'd say that the child has the ability to grow up extraordinarily skilled. Not to mention, the potential for two such massively different races actually blending would give the child amazing potential.
The Elf -2 con would be cancelled out by the +2 con of the dwarf. The elven +2 dex would probably leave as well, being as the child was probably bulkier. Elves are renown for their beauty, probably canceling out the -2 dwarven charisma bonus.
Taller than dwarves, but thicker than elves. However, the odd combination of genetics means that the child's cellular structure will break down much faster than either of the parents, resulting in a shorter lifespan.
Er…
So, I'd say
Dwelves
+4 skill points at first level, 1 additional point per level thereafter
1 bonus feat at first level.
Use the human height, weight and age tables.
*grin*
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*points* Look! Storms getting naked again! *runs the other way, makes a hide check*
EDIT: Fixed a spelling mistake. |
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hammer of Moradin
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 09:42:54
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Dwarves and elves! First question is where would they live? Caves in the hilly areas or low forested mountain regions is the best place for them. Master craftsmen no doubt. Looks? Pointy eared, not as "full-bodied" as a full blooded dwarf. I don't see them having any ability bonuses or restrictions.
Interesting combo, I'll have to give this a bit more thought. |
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 10:00:42
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Forgot to add this part...
Which pantheon would they worship? Elven or dwarven...or both?
Since elves are expert archers and trackers while dwarves are excellent melee fighters and engineeers, how about 'dwelves'? I'm thinking that they'll get all their parents' skills, just not as skilled as a pure blooded elf/dwarf. |
Playing a winged dwarf with acrophobia is fun. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 12:11:19
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| Due to the huge difference in the nature of the dwarves and elves I personally almost everything of their parents nature 'cancelling out' if you like and basically you end up with a human template :) |
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Draighox
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 12:41:18
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
Which pantheon would they worship? Elven or dwarven...or both?
I think, dwelves could choose either pantheon. Like half-elves. They normally choose either human, or elven pantheon. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 15:27:37
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
Forgot to add this part...
Which pantheon would they worship? Elven or dwarven...or both?
It would depend on how they are raised. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Mar 2005 : 15:55:10
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I usually allow a rather "open" interpretation for deity worship by players who choose half-breed races for their characters.
It's largely in response to a fair number of players who I've encountered who seem to have what can only be called "atheistic" PCs who are either half-orcs, half-elves... or even planetouched.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 06:28:51
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Eric Boyd mentioned a dwelf of the Ironstar clan IIRC in one of his Mintiper's Chapbook articles - the one on Myth Glaurach I think.
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 07:18:26
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It was.
From Part 5: Myth Glaurach of Mintiper's Chapbook -
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As implied previously, the central caster of the variant of Mythanthar’s create mythal spell in this instance was Tisharu Craulnober. She imbued one major and one minor power into the mythal. Four secondary casters participated in the raising of Myth Glaurach’s mythal, including Aelynthi of the Eagles, a female moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Alenuath, Isinghar "Feyrune" Ironstar, a dwelf runecarver and archmage of Ammarindar, the Nameless Chosen, and Tsaer "the Horned" Nyamtharsar, a male moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Nyamtharsar.
The editing and emphasis added to this quoted text was my own.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 18:38:34
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Originally posted by The Sage
It was.
From Part 5: Myth Glaurach of Mintiper's Chapbook -
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As implied previously, the central caster of the variant of Mythanthar’s create mythal spell in this instance was Tisharu Craulnober. She imbued one major and one minor power into the mythal. Four secondary casters participated in the raising of Myth Glaurach’s mythal, including Aelynthi of the Eagles, a female moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Alenuath, Isinghar "Feyrune" Ironstar, a dwelf runecarver and archmage of Ammarindar, the Nameless Chosen, and Tsaer "the Horned" Nyamtharsar, a male moon elf of Eaerlanni ancestry and Clan Archmage of House Nyamtharsar.
The editing and emphasis added to this quoted text was my own.
Dwelves....okay, I'll stop myself early before I start doing haiku about stone shelves and dungeon delves....
As stated above (and like half-elves), they favor and adopt the lifestyle/culture under which they are raised. Same goes for which gods they revere.
Both elves and dwarves have serious cognitive dissonance when it comes to dwelves, as (unlike half-elves or half-orcs, IMO) there's no set form or expectation for how they'll look. It's anyone's guess if you'll end up with a dwarf's body size and shape with elven features and ears or an elf's body but stocky vs. svelte and rather hairier than the norm. Dwarven parents may mourn their child's inability to grow a decent beard, thanks to their elven half, while elves may grumble that the child is more interested in the dirt rather than the tree from which it springs. Most likely, they're only comfortable among some societies that embrace acceptance and unity (like Myth Drannor or Miyeritar or elsewhere).
That said, I was surprised by that Myth Glaurach note. Methinks I'll have to talk to Eric and find out what else he's had the Blackstaff up to while I've not been watching....if only for my own curiousity, of course. 
Steven
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note) |
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