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Foxhelm
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 :  16:05:10  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another ideas is what Garnet might do with the new news about Myth Drannor as the result of the Last Mythal. He might see his redeemption in the Rebirth and might be the reason that the Elves come so far in 1380. Especially with all of the troubles facing the "People" in Cormanthor in 1375.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 :  16:27:02  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Another ideas is what Garnet might do with the new news about Myth Drannor as the result of the Last Mythal. He might see his redeemption in the Rebirth and might be the reason that the Elves come so far in 1380. Especially with all of the troubles facing the "People" in Cormanthor in 1375.



More than likely, his first reaction will be to stay FAR AWAY from it, lest his presence bring about its fall a second time.

Then again, maybe he's gotten smarter over time and less apt to act from guilt....your (GM's) call!

Steven

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 :  16:37:54  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Another ideas is what Garnet might do with the new news about Myth Drannor as the result of the Last Mythal. He might see his redeemption in the Rebirth and might be the reason that the Elves come so far in 1380. Especially with all of the troubles facing the "People" in Cormanthor in 1375.



More than likely, his first reaction will be to stay FAR AWAY from it, lest his presence bring about its fall a second time.

Then again, maybe he's gotten smarter over time and less apt to act from guilt....your (GM's) call!

Steven



Another option is that he seeks to aid it, yet remain a far distance from it so that he doesn't cause it's fall. Dragons of Faerun does say that Dragons can be Schemers. Many dragons have created groups of followers to aid in their purposes.

In this world a human can move things without tocuhing them if they use their heads. A dragon with what is likely a genius IQ is even more likely to create a plan that aid Myth Drannor without him being to close.

A little aid to the Sisterhood of Essembra, a little encouragement to good dragons to nest near the city, perhaps sending the right people to the city to aid in it's growth and defense, perhaps a little eating of the enemies of the people.

Dragons are cunning bastards that are great at manipulating 'lesser' beings. Plus they might be harder to detect as many are sorcerers and may have access to shapeshifting spells like Polymorph and Shapechange...

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 :  16:46:30  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In my campaign, poor Garnet is a prisoner of Daurgothot. The Creeping Doom stay very interested when he knows that already exist a dragon that is a "mix" of a red and a blue dragon. (Just what he is trying to doing for himself and his breath weapon).

Now, itīs to the players to free Garnet. Maybe they try to persuade old Klauth or Balagos that Daurgothot is a serious menace, who knows.

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Kuje
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Hiya Steven,

Do you have that novel list that we came up with at Gencon at the pagan seminer? If you have it could you email me it, when you have the time. If possible.

Thanks.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 24 Aug 2006 :  22:56:20  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Hiya Steven,

Do you have that novel list that we came up with at Gencon at the pagan seminer? If you have it could you email me it, when you have the time. If possible.

Thanks.



Well, I can also just post it here for anyone else who's interested in some authors that do decent works and don't make pagans out to be power-mad witches and warlocks all. I see this as vaguely FR related as many of these authors will add some layers of interesting details to your Realms campaigns.

If anyone has suggestions on best titles of books to read by certain authors, chime in; however, if this offends Alaundo or the moderators, I'll pull it and resend to whomever PMs me about it.

Armstrong, Kelley [titles?]
Bradley, Marion Zimmer Mists of Avalon, [titles?]
Butcher, Jim Dresden Files, [other titles?]
Cherryh, C.J. [titles?]
De Lint, Charles [Newford books (Subterranean Press)]
Edgehill, Rosemary [titles?]
Harrison, Kim [titles?]
Hoffman, Alice Practical Magic, [others?]
Keneally, Patricia (sp?) [titles?]
Lackey, Mercedes [titles?]
Moore, Alan Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Promethea
Morrison, Grant The Invisibles, Doom Patrol
Murphy, C.E. Urban Shaman, [sequel]
Owen, James Starchild
Paxson, Diana [titles?]
Walton, Evangeline [titles?]


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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Aug 2006 :  23:00:27  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Steven.

I'd add Anne Bishop on that list since it seems that she had a lot of pagan themes in her novels since I'm reading her novels right now.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Wooly Rupert
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I'm actually working my way thru the Dresden files right now. I'm close to done with the second book. I'm going to have to pause between that one and the third one, though, since I picked up a library book today -- besides, I've only got three of the Dresden books, and I can't afford to buy more than one or two more for at least two weeks!

I've enjoyed a couple of Mercedes Lackey novels, but not many. Some things about her writing seriously bug me.

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Jorkens
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Well, the only author on that list I am familiar with is Walton, but I would also heartily recommend her. Her Mabinogi adaptions should be read collected, but from a genre historic perspective Island of the Mighty would be the one to chose if you were to chose a single part. That book was written in 1926, whilst the other three "branches" were written in the 70's. The books have been printed both as single books and collected several times, so they should not be to difficult to get a hand on.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm actually working my way thru the Dresden files right now. I'm close to done with the second book.
I'm just starting the second book actually.

Thanks to Elaine for the great suggestion!

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm actually working my way thru the Dresden files right now. I'm close to done with the second book.
I'm just starting the second book actually.

Thanks to Elaine for the great suggestion!




Yeah, it was her suggestion that got me looking at those books, too. I mentioned them to my friend Gino, who has reading tastes quite similar to mine, and he also recommended them. So I picked up a couple, and I was hooked before I'd even read much of the first one.

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Kuje
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Posted - 25 Aug 2006 :  01:40:41  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
BTW,

Since my one request has spawned a whole topic. :) Sci-Fi channel is turning those books into a series/sci-fi channel movie.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

BTW,

Since my one request has spawned a whole topic. :) Sci-Fi channel is turning those books into a series/sci-fi channel movie.



The Dresden Files? Too cool!

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

BTW,

Since my one request has spawned a whole topic. :) Sci-Fi channel is turning those books into a series/sci-fi channel movie.



The Dresden Files? Too cool!



Yup, those. :)

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Jorkens
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Just finished Blackstaff; I must say that except for Eds books I haven't enjoyed a Realms-book this much for years. I hope there will be many more books to come.

Spoiler of sorts:

It was also nice to see centaurs finally being mentioned; any reason why you chose them as one of the races involved in the cleansing? Until now centaurs have not been mentioned much when it comes to magic.

Thanks
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 26 Aug 2006 :  04:16:20  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

Just finished Blackstaff; I must say that except for Eds books I haven't enjoyed a Realms-book this much for years. I hope there will be many more books to come.

Spoiler of sorts:

It was also nice to see centaurs finally being mentioned; any reason why you chose them as one of the races involved in the cleansing? Until now centaurs have not been mentioned much when it comes to magic.

Thanks



Thanks very much; I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I hope there's many more to come as well.

Dunno why you chose to secret out that response, but I'll follow suit, just for fun.

I retconned in centaurs as part of the military side of Miyeritar and postulated that at least three to five full herds/tribes of centaurs are part of the scouts and standing armies among the nine Sentinel Tors of Rhymanthiin now. It was less that they were strong in magic as they were among the folks that were among the Sharn and shared in that power a while. I'd say one special thing about these newly risen centaurs is they have a higher incidence of sorcery now than any other centaur population on Faerun. But that's my lone opinion as a freelance author--take it as an option, not a canonical thing.

Hope that info helps, and cups high, friends. We toast the Blackstaff tonight--just because.

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Jorkens
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Thanks Steven; It was borderline on the spoiler issue, but I found it better to be on the safe side.

I can feel a hundred centaur ideas going through my head right now.

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TomCosta
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Steven,

Loved the book, and would love to see a little write up of the new city, maybe in Dragon or for the WotC website.....
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Wandering_mage
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I toast to Blackstaff because it is a darn good book. I really hope it is turning out to be a hit for you Steven.

I was wondering if you had anything to say about Spell mantles that we read about so often. Ed of the Greenwood talks about them often and I know you have both feet firmly planted in most Elven lore along with Elaine, Ed, and the list goes on I'm sure. I am interested in knowing the specifics for lore reasons and game use. Thank you very much for your time great writer of lore and wise counsel to the scribes of Candlekeep.

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 26 Aug 2006 :  13:50:22  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

Steven,

Loved the book, and would love to see a little write up of the new city, maybe in Dragon or for the WotC website.....



Thanks, Tom; I'm glad the book worked for you.

I'd like to see that write-up of Rhymanthiin too, but there's no time through most of this autumn for me to write it. I'll just have to scribble ideas down and perhaps get it together this winter to pitch to Erik. Besides, it's better to give the novel at least six months or so before doing a big spoiler article that reveals the ending, hm?

Then again, I'm more interested in scribbling up a quicker article on the Dead Man's Walk, just to give all those playing Master Harpers or Moonstars a new way to cross Faerun.

I'll have to work on both of them in dribs and drabs, as teaching and other paying gigs have to take precedence over things written on spec. Ah, the life of a freelancer....

Steven

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 26 Aug 2006 :  13:54:48  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wandering_mage

I toast to Blackstaff because it is a darn good book. I really hope it is turning out to be a hit for you Steven.

I was wondering if you had anything to say about Spell mantles that we read about so often. Ed of the Greenwood talks about them often and I know you have both feet firmly planted in most Elven lore along with Elaine, Ed, and the list goes on I'm sure. I am interested in knowing the specifics for lore reasons and game use. Thank you very much for your time great writer of lore and wise counsel to the scribes of Candlekeep.



Thank you, Mage, and I hope so too.

As for spell mantles, I pretty much said my piece on them in Cormanthyr; at the time, they were new in Elminster in Myth Drannor and Ed gave me a little to work with but they were his baby.

If any new ideas come to me, I'll let you know.

Like....why wouldn't someone set up a spell mantle that, under attack by other magics, would automatically dimension door you a slight bit out of the way to avoid being targeted at all?

Steven
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Wandering_mage
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Steven
who wonders if people realize how many secrets he's tucked into the corners of Rhymanthiin....or Blackstaff Tower....



You had to go and say that! I would like to say that I have taken to writing down the descriptions of every room revealed in Blackstaff and I will be focusing some research on these secrets. As to the city Rhymanthiin I still love how you had some characters immediately know at its revealing that they would serve it in some manner. That is the stuff of legends. So when is the sourcebook coming out for Rhymanthiin? You could write that in your sleep, right?

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Hey Mr Schend,
I'll admit I haven't picked up Blackstaff yet but absed on the preview chapter and the comments here i think I will. My question may be the first of a couple by me in the next few weeks bc I'm going over Cormanthyr: EoE with a couple other sages trying to piece together nether scroll history.

This will take you back in the day but....

You were describing the Quess'Ar'Teranthvar on page 159, I believe, and you said, "Tyvollus remains with his creation today, his body in the stasis of aduessuor". The sourcebook says on the first page that, "Unless noted otherwise, this product presents the Forgotten Realms as it stood... in... 650DR." So my question is, does 'today' refer to 650DR or 1370DR the present day according to 2ed.

This is a pretty important question since it defines the placement and form of one set of Nether Scrolls for a 720 year period.
thankyou!
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Steven Schend
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quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

Hey Mr Schend,
I'll admit I haven't picked up Blackstaff yet but absed on the preview chapter and the comments here i think I will. My question may be the first of a couple by me in the next few weeks bc I'm going over Cormanthyr: EoE with a couple other sages trying to piece together nether scroll history.

This will take you back in the day but....

You were describing the Quess'Ar'Teranthvar on page 159, I believe, and you said, "Tyvollus remains with his creation today, his body in the stasis of aduessuor". The sourcebook says on the first page that, "Unless noted otherwise, this product presents the Forgotten Realms as it stood... in... 650DR." So my question is, does 'today' refer to 650DR or 1370DR the present day according to 2ed.

This is a pretty important question since it defines the placement and form of one set of Nether Scrolls for a 720 year period.
thankyou!
-beir



Well, no one else (that I'm aware of) has used Tyvollus or the Quess'ar'terranthvar since I wrote about it ten years ago, so one assumes that the same status quo remains--or does it?

It's not so much an NDA as a sneaky subplot I've got cooking in my backbrain right now that makes me hedge on this answer.

For the sake of your sanity, I'll admit that things remain now as they were in Cormanthyr...

....though there may be more access (and more people trying to or succeeding to access) to that subdimensional chamber now than there ever was during its long history....

The two products (Cormanthyr/Fall of Myth Drannor) should be read as one product detailing the height and fall of MD and sets up the "current time" of 2nd edition (which ranged from 1364 to 1369; it was 3rd edition that made the jump into the 1370s).

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Thanks for the speedy reply Steven! Yeah I got that feeling about Corm. and Fall MD. the only thing is I missed and still don't have is the boxed set that describes the weird events around Windsong Tower's corporal destruction. I was trying to think of how Bakers novel might change things in terms of the Solarium's sancticy et al. and I wished I his novel took place 5 years later than it did because now I'm worried that if I use these hooks some new realmslore will be published and contradict what my persoanl campaign has doen with it. As for no one using Ty or quessarteranthvar, I know you mean published authors... but in my campaign the Quess'Ar'Teranthvar has sprouted seeds!!! and that will cause all kinds of mayhem for everybody :) !!!!

Oh and I was hoping if you had any say on the matter to have designers wait a while before doing anything with myth drannor just to let it sink in etc.
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