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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2020 : 18:47:24
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I had more but Word was looking like it didn't like multipage sidebars. I am going to add the part about when he drinks someone's blood, he gets access to their memories ("Blood is lives") in the main part of the write up. I also had it that the half-elf child IS Kanchelsis. When the two high mages stabbed him with two mithril daggers, the "blood being" flew into and was absorbed by the child and brought him back to life. I was also thinking that those two mithril daggers are going to be his weapons of choice.
Yeah, I should have said "reborn as a god" instead of "born as a god". Also, in the process of the ritual, perhaps it was aging him, because I just don't picture him AS a child. It also occurs to me that perhaps in my thing above where he calls out to Kiaransalee for vengeance, it could ALSO be the Raven Queen instead. Also, the "blood being" should represent the beast aspect that he canonically has, and maybe something like a vestige, as he transformed he shared his body with this being. Thus why he has two forms.
Oh, I agree, he isn't a child anymore. In the instant the blood entered him, he gained all the life experience of every blood donor and as he "ate" the mages, he got theirs as well. Because of that and none of the Seldarine coming to help him, he sees the hypocricy of the elven culture and has dedicated himself to "freeing" as many elves and half-elves as he can from it. He doesn't picture himself as a monster. He is the good guy in all of this. As for his apparent age, he is a god and can make himself look like anything he wants.
Oh, as for his portfolio, obviously the means of his birth gave him blood and blood magic. He has discovered there is an almost addictive quality to drinking in someone's blood and getting their life experiences as well. And, really, that is just one of the pleasures that people deny themselves so he is just spreading the good word. Vampires, in his opinion, are just ahead of the curve.
Edit: Forgot to add about the beast. That is an expression of the hurt and anger he felt at the moment of his death/birth. From the description, the Beast tends to come out when he is frustrated. That is the frustration of child denied something. However, being a god, those temper tantrums can be really scary. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 29 Apr 2020 : 20:58:10
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| Hmmm, another idea kind of popped in my head. Remember how I said that the "wolf part makes me think of Lythari". My initial thoughts were possibly to tie the creation of the Lythari people to the creation of Kanchelsis as some aftereffect, but it could go another way. What if he is a half-elf, but it was the HUMAN side that was more refined and the ELF side was a Lythari. I mean, I know that vampires also have ties to wolf, but they also have ties to bats and we don't see anything about bats in relation to him. Not sure if I like this concept, but it could DEFINITELY be something that pisses off elves if some uppity human attracted an elf mate. Either direction works as some kind of story though. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Apr 2020 : 21:01:42
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Hmmm, another idea kind of popped in my head. Remember how I said that the "wolf part makes me think of Lythari". My initial thoughts were possibly to tie the creation of the Lythari people to the creation of Kanchelsis as some aftereffect, but it could go another way. What if he is a half-elf, but it was the HUMAN side that was more refined and the ELF side was a Lythari. I mean, I know that vampires also have ties to wolf, but they also have ties to bats and we don't see anything about bats in relation to him. Not sure if I like this concept, but it could DEFINITELY be something that pisses off elves if some uppity human attracted an elf mate. Either direction works as some kind of story though.
Not sure that works as well, since Lythari don't have any of the bestial side of things going on.
I don't think it's explicitly stated anywhere, but I think the Lythari are a younger offshoot of the wild elves. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 29 Apr 2020 : 23:05:40
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Hmmm, another idea kind of popped in my head. Remember how I said that the "wolf part makes me think of Lythari". My initial thoughts were possibly to tie the creation of the Lythari people to the creation of Kanchelsis as some aftereffect, but it could go another way. What if he is a half-elf, but it was the HUMAN side that was more refined and the ELF side was a Lythari. I mean, I know that vampires also have ties to wolf, but they also have ties to bats and we don't see anything about bats in relation to him. Not sure if I like this concept, but it could DEFINITELY be something that pisses off elves if some uppity human attracted an elf mate. Either direction works as some kind of story though.
Not sure that works as well, since Lythari don't have any of the bestial side of things going on.
I don't think it's explicitly stated anywhere, but I think the Lythari are a younger offshoot of the wild elves.
As another spin.... again, just spit shooting ideas.... Lythari mother, human noble turned werewolf father (or BORN werewolf father). Might work better if the father has control over his shapechanging from a story perspective (the two parents like to take wolf form and roam). In essence, we don't have any background on his actual parentage other than he might be a half elf, so adding something can open up additional storytelling. For instance, WHY did they choose THIS child? Well, what if its because the father's lycanthropic "curse" was something they planned to pass on to all half elves via ritual (such that all half elves become uncontrolled werewolves). Maybe even the father was also involved with the ritual and was sacrificed bloodily as well to "harvest" the curse.
Hell... just to throw out there.... perhaps the actions of these High Magi actually CREATED the curse of lycanthropy as well. Maybe a lot of half elves DID turn into werewolves. Maybe this is why so many of the were creature gods are "brother and sister" (i.e. Daragor and Eshebala as werewolves and foxwomen then Balador and Ferrix for werebears and weretigers).
Its a concept, not necessarily a good one, but maybe someone can come up with something even better for why they picked a particular child that was a half elf (or would any half elf have worked). |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Apr 2020 : 00:08:22
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I came up with the races involved in the Shame story based solely on this from Kanchy's entry in Monster Mythologies (page 112):
"His origins in myth are shrouded in secrecy, but the avatar often takes half-elven form and travels with an elven or half-elven vampiric companion, so the dreadful secret of the Seldarine may indeed be a truth. Born of intermingled human and elven blood, Kanchelsis knows blood to be the very essence of life and magic, the forces which sustain him."
The half-elf part is from his avatar and I made it a child to increase the level of shame (so any half-elf child). It is bad enough for a group of gods who purport to be good to ignore an adult but to do that to a child is much worse. I was looking to use the actual Eldreth Vluuthra but they were created way too late so I had to go with a precursor of the group.
Now, could he be a special half-elf child? I suppose but then that can cloud the point of the story: the shame of the Seldarine. If he was special, was it the kind they don't like so ignoring him is something reasonable? Was he the kind of special that they are really interested in? If so, it changes from a rank indifference to something callous and calculating. I certainly didn't want to depict them as being evil. I just needed them to be good but unsure and indecisive about their role as far as half-elves are concerned. That was satisfied by having just some joe-average, half-elven kid. |
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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 04 May 2020 : 00:27:23
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I have completed my rewrite of his entry to make it Toril specific (like Demi-human Deities). I made some changes to his avatar since it seemed pretty weak for an intermediate power. I also focused more on him being the god of blood and blood magic and included a section on blood magic. Here is a sample of a couple paragraphs. The rest is at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/um3liz6tqsf5n/
Kanchelsis is the god of blood and blood magic. The circumstances of his birth have given him insights into the two that no other being in the multiverse can attest to. By consuming the blood of a mortal, he is able to absorb the person’s thoughts, emotions, and memories (he refers to this as “blood is lives”). This leads to him being a connoisseur of blood drinking and is always seeking new “flavors” for him to experience (he prefers the more adventuresome people of societies to drink since they tend to have more varied and intense experiences and thus have blood that is fuller featured and nuanced). His preferences, however, do not preclude him from selecting someone that is not adventuresome if that person knows something Kanchelsis desires to know about. His ability to root out secrets is one of the reasons that other dark gods and demon lords generally try to keep their relationship with him cordial (since they may need to bargain with him in the future for some knowledge they seek).
It is his status as a connoisseur of blood drinking that draws most vampires and other blood drinkers to him. He occasionally blesses a vampire with the full experience he gets from drinking blood instead of the pale echoes of the person’s life they usually get. Once experienced, a typical vampire will become a fervent devotee to Kanchelsis with the hope that he will grant the boon again. Vampires who practice blood magic have come the closest to replicating this experience but it is the members of the Union of Eclipses (an extremely powerful and influential cabal of vampires whose dominion spans multiple worlds of the Material Plane) that have been granted this blessing the most from Kanchelsis. It also doesn’t hurt that descriptions of his Abyssal home have it awash with blood, entire rooms of his mansion being formed from living sculptures and flows of blood perfumed with opiates and alkaloids (less well known is that the vampyres, nosferatu, and worse which share his home slaver after the unattainable delight he so meagerly and sadistically rations out to their ravening hunger).
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Kanchelsis: God of the Undead?
