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Realmsfan
Acolyte

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Posted - 12 Feb 2014 :  21:06:37  Show Profile Send Realmsfan a Private Message
Long time lurker first time poster. THO thanks for all the years of your posts and insights into the realms. I have two question that I would like to send to Ed.

1 What are the seven ages that he could identify in the realms history as a starting and ending points.
2 If he could name the 7 wonders of his realms?

I got your edition right here.
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quote:
Originally posted by Realmsfan

Long time lurker first time poster. THO thanks for all the years of your posts and insights into the realms. I have two question that I would like to send to Ed.

1 What are the seven ages that he could identify in the realms history as a starting and ending points.
2 If he could name the 7 wonders of his realms?



I can help with #2!

Alustriel's breasts, Storm's breasts, etc...

On a more serious note... In the real world, there are 7 wonders of the modern world, and 7 wonders of the ancient world. Were you thinking of modern, ancient, or both, with your question?

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Realmsfan
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Good one wooly. Both would be great but I take what Ed and THO dish out. Either by teaspoon or ladle.

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quote:
Originally posted by Realmsfan

Good one wooly. Both would be great but I take what Ed and THO dish out. Either by teaspoon or ladle.



We all want some of what the lovely Lady Hooded One dishes out!

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Blade of Beregost
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I was rereading the 2006 edition of this scroll the other day, and I happened to come across Ed's thoughts on Wonders. Hope it (somewhat) helps.

quote:
The short, simple reply is that no Faerûnian creature would have any “Seven Wonders” list. It’s not something they’d ordinarily think about or speak of, certainly never in terms of a ranking of rival “wonders.” Folk in the Realms DO speak of wonders they’ve seen in distant lands, in taverns (usually when explorers or other far-traveled wayfarers are vying with each other to entertain the locals for some drinks or to seem important or to manipulate someone into investing in a venture). If you asked a particular Faerûnian, his reply would depend on him: if he was a farmer or rural person who’s never traveled far from his home village, he’d probably say so, and disqualify himself from relevant comment on the grounds that “they talk of many wondrous things, but I’ve not been and seen enough to tell you anything useful. I saw a melon as big as a cow once, in yon market, but then I’ve heard tell of bigger melons’n’ that, in bigger markets, see?”
Even alert, informed merchants or soldiers would say some variation on this, recognizing that they’ve hardly seen enough to venture a useful opinion. Priests and devout worshippers of one god above others would list the wonders associated with their deity (“the little stone stop Tharun’s Mount that bears the shape of Eldath’s hand, where she touched it when weeping over the death of a flower”), and that points at the key to Faerûnian attitudes towards wonders, and the reason my answer is taking the shape it is: in the Realms, everything’s slanted by the fact that EVERYONE knows the gods are real, and respects their power even when considering gods they fear, hate, or shun worship of; the knowledge that the gods walk the world (from time to time) and make changes to it colours everything. So various individuals might give you wildly different “seven wonders” lists, if you asked them to pick seven (and why seven? the concept has no significance to them, of course), UNLESS they were stay-at-homes from the same village, and so shared the same life experiences (“well, we’ve both been to Suzail once, and there were some pretty wondrous mansions THERE, let me tell you!”). So, yes, the Waterdhavian and the Thayan would probably give different lists based on different life experiences, NOT on nationalistic (or even cultural) grounds. (By “cultural,” I mean that unless they were more stupid or self-centered than most folk, both would recognize and say that they’ve not seen enough in their travels to be sure they weren’t missing important “wonders,” as a preeminent factor over seeing things as exemplifying a slave-based culture [as good or bad] or a mercantile, cosmopolitan crossroads trading center [as good or bad].)
“The Faerûnian sensibility” is “in general more inclined to be impressed by a natural wonder” than a magical construction, with one caveat: the most awe is evoked by natural wonders for which no explanations are generally known, or no god is directly and clearly attributed as the cause of (so the waterfall or the natural arch NOT “known” to have been created by the god is generally more impressive than the one this or that god altered or created - - except to a devout worshipper of that god, of course. Everyone is impressed by major magical constructions like walking colossi or flying cities, but not as “wonders” UNLESS the means of making them is now unknown or forgotten (i.e. unless they’re now unattainable or mysterious). Yet this sort of “gosh wow” admiration is a step down and to one side of “the great wonders.” It’s more a “How did they DO that?” marveling (which is, to resurrect some very old Realmslore, why folk differentiate between “Marvels” and “Wonders;” the former being man- [or rather, sentient-being-] made items and magics and processes, and the latter being things that occurred naturally or mysteriously.
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Markustay
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So one of my recent questions was about Earth books, and quite some time ago I asked you about (famous?) Earth people who may have wound-up in The Realms. Although you seem to be avoiding giving any info about specific relationships between Earth and FR (aside from yourself and Elminster ), here is yet-another related question.

In times of 'great distress', when large numbers of people are on the verge of dying (Titanic sinking, Vesuvius exploding, etc), has there ever been an occurrence of a deity (Earth, FR, or whatever) answering the pleas of the doomed and dying and shunting at least some of them into The Realms?

This question, BTW, was inspired by another thread where the subject of 'Earth' names came up, and how they wound up in The Forgotten Realms (and of course we know the real answer, but its fun to consider the in-setting possibilities).

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

BTW, all scribes: if you want a fix of Ed speaking in his mellifluous tones, there are little videos at theedverse.com that show you a glimpse of Ed's writing lair . . .
Neat stuff!

Any chance we can catch some glimpses of what Ed's writing lair was like back when he was creating the early Realms? [Pictures or the like, perhaps.]

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quote:
Originally posted by Blade of Beregost

I was rereading the 2006 edition of this scroll the other day, and I happened to come across Ed's thoughts on Wonders. Hope it (somewhat) helps.

quote:
The short, simple reply is that no Faerûnian creature would have any “Seven Wonders” list. It’s not something they’d ordinarily think about or speak of, certainly never in terms of a ranking of rival “wonders.” Folk in the Realms DO speak of wonders they’ve seen in distant lands, in taverns (usually when explorers or other far-traveled wayfarers are vying with each other to entertain the locals for some drinks or to seem important or to manipulate someone into investing in a venture). If you asked a particular Faerûnian, his reply would depend on him: if he was a farmer or rural person who’s never traveled far from his home village, he’d probably say so, and disqualify himself from relevant comment on the grounds that “they talk of many wondrous things, but I’ve not been and seen enough to tell you anything useful. I saw a melon as big as a cow once, in yon market, but then I’ve heard tell of bigger melons’n’ that, in bigger markets, see?”
Even alert, informed merchants or soldiers would say some variation on this, recognizing that they’ve hardly seen enough to venture a useful opinion. Priests and devout worshippers of one god above others would list the wonders associated with their deity (“the little stone stop Tharun’s Mount that bears the shape of Eldath’s hand, where she touched it when weeping over the death of a flower”), and that points at the key to Faerûnian attitudes towards wonders, and the reason my answer is taking the shape it is: in the Realms, everything’s slanted by the fact that EVERYONE knows the gods are real, and respects their power even when considering gods they fear, hate, or shun worship of; the knowledge that the gods walk the world (from time to time) and make changes to it colours everything. So various individuals might give you wildly different “seven wonders” lists, if you asked them to pick seven (and why seven? the concept has no significance to them, of course), UNLESS they were stay-at-homes from the same village, and so shared the same life experiences (“well, we’ve both been to Suzail once, and there were some pretty wondrous mansions THERE, let me tell you!”). So, yes, the Waterdhavian and the Thayan would probably give different lists based on different life experiences, NOT on nationalistic (or even cultural) grounds. (By “cultural,” I mean that unless they were more stupid or self-centered than most folk, both would recognize and say that they’ve not seen enough in their travels to be sure they weren’t missing important “wonders,” as a preeminent factor over seeing things as exemplifying a slave-based culture [as good or bad] or a mercantile, cosmopolitan crossroads trading center [as good or bad].)
“The Faerûnian sensibility” is “in general more inclined to be impressed by a natural wonder” than a magical construction, with one caveat: the most awe is evoked by natural wonders for which no explanations are generally known, or no god is directly and clearly attributed as the cause of (so the waterfall or the natural arch NOT “known” to have been created by the god is generally more impressive than the one this or that god altered or created - - except to a devout worshipper of that god, of course. Everyone is impressed by major magical constructions like walking colossi or flying cities, but not as “wonders” UNLESS the means of making them is now unknown or forgotten (i.e. unless they’re now unattainable or mysterious). Yet this sort of “gosh wow” admiration is a step down and to one side of “the great wonders.” It’s more a “How did they DO that?” marveling (which is, to resurrect some very old Realmslore, why folk differentiate between “Marvels” and “Wonders;” the former being man- [or rather, sentient-being-] made items and magics and processes, and the latter being things that occurred naturally or mysteriously.


Steven Schend contributed a reply to that side-discussion as well, as I recall, listing a few structures he thought might qualify for such a listing in the Realms.

I'll check my archives.

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paladinnicolas
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Dear Ed and THO, I would like to know if in Ed's campaigns Lantan, the gnomes or any other group has managed to produce somewhat advanced technology, even one qualifying as 'steampunk' (I must confess that I love steampunk), or if lost civilizations in the Realms achieved it, including mass transportation vehicles. Thanks!

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Milith holder of HB8
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I know this is a bit of an off-question, but I'm not sure if the Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel counts as an artifact or not in Realmspace. Would Ed have an opinion on that either way?

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by paladinnicolas

Dear Ed and THO, I would like to know if in Ed's campaigns Lantan, the gnomes or any other group has managed to produce somewhat advanced technology, even one qualifying as 'steampunk' (I must confess that I love steampunk), or if lost civilizations in the Realms achieved it, including mass transportation vehicles. Thanks!



It's one of the great misconceptions of the Realms that Lantan has a sizable population of gnomes. During the ToT, an avatar of Gond in the guise of a gnome washed up on the island's shore. This did lead to an influx of gnomes for a time to the island - not sure the Lantar would have been too happy about that - but there shouldn't be an instant association between Lantan and gnomes.

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by paladinnicolas

Dear Ed and THO, I would like to know if in Ed's campaigns Lantan, the gnomes or any other group has managed to produce somewhat advanced technology, even one qualifying as 'steampunk' (I must confess that I love steampunk), or if lost civilizations in the Realms achieved it, including mass transportation vehicles. Thanks!



It's one of the great misconceptions of the Realms that Lantan has a sizable population of gnomes. During the ToT, an avatar of Gond in the guise of a gnome washed up on the island's shore. This did lead to an influx of gnomes for a time to the island - not sure the Lantar would have been too happy about that - but there shouldn't be an instant association between Lantan and gnomes.

-- George Krashos

Indeed.

Despite all the gnomish-ness... Lantan still has/had a notable and significant human presence, who are/were mostly quite intuitive and capable of innovative technogical design on their own as members of Gond's faithful.

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Markustay
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Perhaps after/during the Spellplague, the Lantanese used their knowledge of 'strange magiks' to alter their forms, to better survive. Now they are small, furtive folk who prefer to dwell beneath the ground of their former cities...

You know... kinda like gnomes.

EDIT: And a question, so I don't get in trouble. Have there been any major 'holy wars' in FR's past?

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Barastir
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Have their been any major 'holy wars' in FR's past?


Maybe the Draconic Holy Wars? Were they detailed somewhere after 2e Draconomicon? Can Ed provide us more details?

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Kris the Grey
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Markustay,

I love your focus on all the Earth questions lately there chum - you are speaking the language I like to hear! Lol.

Are you thinking something specifically Earthy of late? I'd happily chatter back and forth with you about anything there you might have on your mind...

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Kind of a quick query for Ed, depending on how he would like to answer it... Hehe. *wink*

Ed, I'm presently re-reading the old 2e adventure module, The Runes of Chaos, from the Spellbound boxed set. In the earliest sections, we are, as DM's, told ...

And I should probably note that this is potentially SPOILER-related for the adventure. I'm covering my posterior here, even though this is a very old adventure, just to be sure.

...

...

...

...

...

As I was saying above, we're told, early in the adventure's setting, that Szass Tam made some "unspecified deals" with Larloch. Now, aside from you possibly being able to channel into designer Anthony Pryor's mind, I'm curious about what your thoughts would/could be about the nature of these "unspecified deals" made between Tam and Larloch? What do you think may have been agreed upon/exchanged/provided between these two great archmages? Could Tam have possibly [and unknowingly, from his own perspective] figured into one of Larloch grand and far-reaching plans for the Realms?

Basically, I'm just looking for your own take on this interesting and forgotten little tidbit of Realmslore.

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Ed (or anyone else that can point me to where these are),

Hey, I know we have heraldic symbols either spelled out or drawn for certain city-states and/or countries. However, I was wondering if we had any for certain other countries yet... and if so where... and if not, what would you think they'd be.

The ones I don't think I've seen are
The Kingdom of Bloodstone (i.e. new Damara under Gareth)
Rashemen (and if there's a special symbol for the iron lord or the wychlaran or the Durthans)
Mulhorand
Unther
Mulmaster

Also, certain old Empires. Raumathar, Narfell, Jhaamdath, and Imaskar in particular.

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
Sage, I've never known any details (because after dealings with a certain Tharchioness, we Knights avoided Thay like the plague), but when you post this: "Could Tam have possibly [and unknowingly, from his own perspective] figured into one of Larloch grand and far-reaching plans for the Realms?" I know you're right in this speculation, because we did on two occasions eavesdrop on Larloch (he knew it, BTW, and was allowing it so as to "leak" certain information via us, as we figured out later), and I know Szass Tam was Larloch's unwitting tool in this. I believe it had to do with curbing some zulkirs' tendencies to send Red Wizards out across the Realms to seize magic and magical lore and then destroy the owners they'd just taken it from (Larloch didn't want such wholesale slaughter of wielders-of-the-Art).
Anthony Pryor did work from Ed's (not very extensive) notes on Thay to write this product, and I know that little notation was among them (from seeing some of said notes, myself).
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Marco Volo
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Hi all,

I know Eilistraee has some worshippers dwelling in the surface of the Realms, but I was wandering if such followers "proselytize" or do things for the clergy of the Dark Maiden to be known ?
One of my PC in the Promenade, getting back to Waterdeep in a few days, wants to ask a priestess of Eilistraee if the clergy needs someone to proselytize or introduce people or other clergies to this dogma.

And I don't know what I'm supposed to tell him because I don't know the way by which the clergy of Eilistraee wants to be known at the surface and in Waterdeep (if it wants to).

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Just wanted to tell Ed how much I've been enjoying the Forging articles on the Wizards website. And a heads up to Markustay: remember you asked Ed here about Kormul? You might want to check out the latest Forging!!!
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Great article - now I feel inspired to get back to my Shar/Border Kindoms/Elsir Vale map!

Question: We've noted over the years that 'great changes' have happened to the Realms from time to time. Some of the more noteworthy ones get recorded and are 'remembered' despite the passage of time (in some case 30K+ years!). However, there are plenty of examples of things changing that don't seem to be recorded - even major climate, cultural, or geographic changes, in some cases happening almost over-night. Yet, it almost seems if people's 'consciousness' of the events got dimmer (like the way a dream fades). Does this in-fact happen like that? in similar manner to how it works in Ravenloft? That when swaths of terrain and/or peoples (and whatever else) got swapped-around between worlds (or are drastically changed by some sort of temporal anomaly), that the 'common folk' of Faerûn just sort of forget-about-it?

Or like the Gap-Chasm in the Xanth series (which I am certain Ed is familiar with). The further removed from the event/site, the more your recollections of it become vague. Come to think of it - are their places in Faerûn like that? Either purposely caused by magic, or by some sort of (super)natural phenomena?

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Originally posted by Markustay

Great article - now I feel inspired to get back to my Shar/Border Kindoms/Elsir Vale map!
Eh... Border Kingdoms map?

*Drums fingers on tabletop in a somewhat expectant manner*


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Dear Ed and THO,
Is there any truth to a rumor that I've heard twice now: that a certain Ed of the Greenwood is writing Dr Who lore?
Thank you,
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Great article - now I feel inspired to get back to my Shar/Border Kindoms/Elsir Vale map!
Eh... Border Kingdoms map?

*Drums fingers on tabletop in a somewhat expectant manner*
Its on MY 'to do' list.

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Are there any rangers, or groups of rangers, within The Snakewood? How about The Reaching Woods? If so, what reason, if any, would they have for being there?

Thanks!
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