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Diogo122
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  03:50:30  Show Profile Send Diogo122 a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
so i was playing with some friends today, and someone say that cormyr hates wizards even arrest then on the major cities and things like that,he also said that there is even a card on spellfire that shows this, i dunno but i don't remember anything about cormyr hatin wizards

help me please

Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  04:13:24  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Corny does not hate wizards. When wizards reach a certain level they must register with the Crown, and wizards of power in Cormyr are sometimes watched by the War Wizards, but on the whole wizards are welcome in Cormyr.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  04:23:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You might be confusing Cormyr with Amn, where magic use is prohibited.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  04:23:59  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The 2E Forgotten Realms Adventures sourcebook provides some rules on this.

Basically, Cormyr's War Wizards try to keep close watch on any wizards of 5th level or higher, ever vigilant against threats to Cormyr and her Crown. And there are rather harsh laws against those who use magic in a wantonly unresponsible, immoral, or criminal fashion, especially spellcrimes which result in rampant destruction, suffering, or loss of life. Blasting fireballs at villains who flee into markets, alleys, and taverns guarantees a wizard will be hunted down, have his magical goodies confiscated "for the Crown", maimed (things like fingers broken and tongue cut out, to prevent spellcasting), exiled and unceremoniously dumped at the nearest border ... hopefully not the border adjacent to Zhentil Keep or horribly unfortunate Tilverton. The War Wizards are magically-capable secret police, and they have access to many powerful wizards, spells, and toys - best not to antagonize them without good reason. Fighters who unsheath their steel and spill blood in town can expect much the same treatment.

Wizards who are well behaved generally have little to worry about from the law. PC Wizards are recommended to obtain an Adventurers' Charter from the Crown.

Spellfire in itself isn't illegal, indeed it is hardly known outside of the most powerful and erudite individuals. Most people would probably assume spellfire is just some sort of fire-based spellcasting effect. The few people who seek a spellfire wielder probably operate on their own agendas, not on Cormyr's. Of course, cooking buildings and people with spellfire will still invoke the full power of the law, even if it was "accidental" or uncontrolled, the War Wizards only want to find criminals, execute justice, maintain peace and security.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  04:58:28  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cormyr has long -- pretty much since its inception -- had a Royal Wizard who assisted the Crown and helped prepare the kingdom, and it's had its own organization of wizards serving the kingdom for quite some time, too.

I concur with Krash: your friend is mistaking Amn, where wizards are most unwelcome, with Cormyr, one of the few nations in the Realms to actively make governmental use of wizards.

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Barastir
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  11:40:45  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good answer, Ayrik. As for Spellfire, I think Diog0122 was mentioning the card game.

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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  12:58:44  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Agreed with George. Though Amn is not the only realm that abhors arcane magic. Chessenta is another, and rather pointedly. Consider yourself dead if you as much as show any sign of magical gift. The law changed when Tchazzar came back (in favor of Jhesri), but Shala Karanok reinstituted the rather harsh law after the death of the pretender god.

Note also that the War Wizards (not just soldiers, paladins, and whoever) have been instrumental in keeping the peace in Cormyr, in addressing threats within and without. And in the present era, it would be stupid of them to deny their realm of wizards, considering that their greatest(?) enemy, Shade, has a bunch of high-level archwizards.

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Thauranil
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  15:00:47  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cormyr would not survive long without its wizards and even though the people especially the nobility often resent their power, they all know this simple fact.
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The only real "way" I can see that your friend may have thought that Cormyr hates wizards... might be due to some of what we've read in various novels that focus exclusively on the Forest Kingdom -- like Ed Greenwood's recent "Sage of Shadowdale" books. Which, as an example, tend to present some notable characters who carry such intense hatred for either magic-users in general, or the War Wizards in particular.

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Diogo122
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  17:15:08  Show Profile Send Diogo122 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tnx very much guys, yea i think they are totally wrong,thats why i asked here about this, people here are full knowledge about the realms
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  18:25:19  Show Profile Send Drustan Dwnhaedan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yep, everyone here's pretty knowledgeable regarding Realmslore, with the possible exception of myself. I know I'm relatively new to the Realms (September 9 marked my 4th anniversary of adventuring on Toril), but I had always thought I possessed a quite respectable amount of FR knowledge. (And, compared to most of my gaming group, still do.) Then I came to Candlekeep and discovered I had only barely scratched the surface of Realmslore. (Not that I'm complaining; this is easily one of my most favorite sites EVER!)
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Posted - 11 Sep 2013 :  21:15:30  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
The only real "way" I can see that your friend may have thought that Cormyr hates wizards... might be due to some of what we've read in various novels that focus exclusively on the Forest Kingdom -- like Ed Greenwood's recent "Sage of Shadowdale" books. Which, as an example, tend to present some notable characters who carry such intense hatred for either magic-users in general, or the War Wizards in particular.


Agreed. The novels portray many nobles as chafing under the authority of the War Wizards. This may skew one's perception of the general populace but I think it's safe to say that most (even those chafing nobles) understand that Cormyr is better off with its wizards. Said nobles usually just want to control those mages...after a few choice removals, of course.

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