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HardKano
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Posted - 14 Aug 2012 :  12:44:39  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hi there !

I found on Charles Moffat site that he offer for free the ebook of his unpublished novel in the Realms. Note that was unpublished because TSR was bought by Wizard that year and stopped the Harpers series.

The Hapers #17 : Rise of the Blade

http://fiction.charlesmoffat.com/

I'm already reading Hapers novels, si i'll be on that one soon enough !

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Thank you. Good find.

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quote:
Originally posted by HardKano
[I found on Charles Moffat site that he offer for free the ebook of his unpublished novel in the Realms. Note that was unpublished because TSR was bought by Wizard that year and stopped the Harpers series.

The Hapers #17 : Rise of the Blade

http://fiction.charlesmoffat.com/

I'm already reading Hapers novels, si i'll be on that one soon enough !



The wording on Mr. Moffat's site is ambiguous and somewhat misleading. He states that he wrote this story in 1998, and says "it was intended to be published 1999-2000." Please note that he does not state that TSR intended to publish this book.

A lot of people intend to write a book for the Realms. The fact that Mr. Moffat did, and the fact that it was not published, does not make it an "unpublished Realms novel"--at least, not in the sense that it was ever TSR/WotC intention to publish it.

He states that the book was not published as part of the Harper series because WotC discontinued this series. That is true, as far as it goes. But again, the ambiguous wording gives the impression that the book was contracted and then cancelled. I do not know for a fact that this is NOT the case, but from what I do know, it seems unlikely.

Here's why.
  • Mary Kirchoff, who was managing editor at the time, told me that she has no recollection of any project by Charles Moffat.

  • TSR intended Thornhold to be the last Harper book. I wrote it in 1997, and it was published in 1998. This strongly suggests that they never planned to publish a book #17.

  • Mr. Moffet wrote his story in 1998, after the Harper line was discontinued.

  • Thornhold was intended to be a pivot book, which introduced two new characters (Bronwyn and Ebenezer Stoneshaft) who would become shared-author characters. The plan was to move from the Harper series into a longer story arc that would be covered in several novels and game products. The editorial direction changed and this story arc was dropped. But if Mr. Moffet HAD been in discussions with TSR about writing a post-Thornhold book, he would have written about Bronwyn and Ebenezer. He did not.

  • His book is only 152 pages long, less than half the length of most Forgotten Realms novels. The story is not formatted in Forgotten Realms fashion. There are no chapter breaks, only short windows.


I suspect that Mr. Moffat wrote this story hoping, perhaps intending, that it would become a Harpers novel, but I doubt anyone shared this intention.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 14 Aug 2012 21:03:29
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That makes a lot more sense. I thought it odd that he would be able to freely share a contracted novel, even if never published.

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HardKano
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 :  02:06:29  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Thank you for your post ElaineCunningham ! In my search to collect all possible novels ever published it was possible i found a misleading track ;)

Generally i follow o-love.net repertory but this time i followed Wikipedia and it was erroneous.

When i downloaded the book i have noticed that it was only 152 pages with no chapter but i'm not an editor to know if the chapter is put before of after the writing and i think the pages in the 8x11 format can augment in a book format.

By the way, I started reading your novels this week with "Songs & Swords" series... awesome :) I really like your style with punctilious descriptions for what i have read so far.

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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

A lot of people intend to write a book for the Realms. The fact that Mr. Moffat did, and the fact that it was not published, does not make it an "unpublished Realms novel"--at least, not in the sense that it was ever TSR/WotC intention to publish it.

He states that the book was not published as part of the Harper series because WotC discontinued this series. That is true, as far as it goes. But again, the ambiguous wording gives the impression that the book was contracted and then cancelled. I do not know for a fact that this is NOT the case, but from what I do know, it seems unlikely.
While I wasn't aware of the exact details you've noted in your post above, I did indeed imagine that the issue with Rise of the Blade supposedly being part of "The Harpers" series played out somewhat like this. I appreciate the clarification, Elaine.

I'm likely to drop this into my Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ, since I do recall this being an issue previously, here.

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 :  02:55:39  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HardKano

Hi,

Thank you for your post ElaineCunningham ! In my search to collect all possible novels ever published it was possible i found a misleading track ;)

Generally i follow o-love.net repertory but this time i followed Wikipedia and it was erroneous.

When i downloaded the book i have noticed that it was only 152 pages with no chapter but i'm not an editor to know if the chapter is put before of after the writing and i think the pages in the 8x11 format can augment in a book format.

By the way, I started reading your novels this week with "Songs & Swords" series... awesome :) I really like your style with punctilious descriptions for what i have read so far.



A mistake in Wikipedia? ::gasps, clutches the pearls::

Thanks for the kind word about Songs & Swords. I hope you continue to enjoy Arilyn and Danilo's story.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That makes a lot more sense. I thought it odd that he would be able to freely share a contracted novel, even if never published.



You may have noticed that Mark Anthony never posted the manuscript for Shores of Dusk online as a free ebook. There are reasons for this.
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I never read any of the Harpers books. Any good?

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HardKano
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 :  03:17:42  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bionic Man

I never read any of the Harpers books. Any good?



I'm on Elfshadow now and it's great ! (Harper #2)

I didn't read Harpers #1 because i read by main author of earlier books with their series

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HardKano
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 :  03:21:09  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Thanks for the kind word about Songs & Swords. I hope you continue to enjoy Arilyn and Danilo's story.



I hope too ! I was reading the part in Chelimber Marsh :D (Chapter 7) tonight.

Now time to sleep, will continue tomorrow night :)

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Edited by - HardKano on 15 Aug 2012 03:21:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Bionic Man

I never read any of the Harpers books. Any good?



Some of them are quite enjoyable, like the ones by Elaine. Others are less enjoyable, and a few are forgettable. Of course, opinions vary on which ones are forgettable and which ones aren't...

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Never heard of this before....

Thanks, Elaine, for the clarification.

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Bionic Man
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Do these books need to be read in order, or are they self contained?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bionic Man

Do these books need to be read in order, or are they self contained?



Each book is self-contained; however, some are sequels of earlier books.

One of my faves from the series is book 5, The Ring of Winter, which is entirely self-contained and has no sequels. Other personal faves from the series include Elaine's books, and Masquerade, which is a sequel to the earlier Finder's Stone trilogy.

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HardKano
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 :  17:08:52  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is there a place where all connected books are listed ? Could be useful :)

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Clad In Shadows
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www.o-love.net has SOME connections and reading orders for certain books, but by no means is it an exhaustive list.
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quote:
Originally posted by Clad In Shadows

www.o-love.net has SOME connections and reading orders for certain books, but by no means is it an exhaustive list.



Yes I know that site, for i visit it regulary. But i look for a schema that link novels between them (like the Drizzt Saga is well listed on O-love site)

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The Harpers series contains the following books. I've tried to include the links to other series:

1) Parched Sea (self-contained; one character reappears in #12)
2) Elfshadow (start of Arilyn and Danilo books, followed by #8, #13)
3) Red Magic (completely self-contained)
4) Night Parade (completely self-contained)
5) Ring of Winter (completely self-contained)
6) Crypt of the Shadowking (followed by #11)
7) Soldiers of Ice (completely self-contained)
8) Elfsong (sequel to #2)
9) Crown of Fire (sequel to non-Harper novel Spellfire)
10) Masquerade (sequel to Finder's Stone/Alias trilogy)
11) Curse of the Shadowking (sequel to #6)
12) The Veiled Dragon (sequel, more or less, to Parched Sea, though it takes place in a completely different place)
13) Silver Shadows (sequel to Elfshadow and Elfsong; takes place concurrently with Elfsong)
14) Stormlight (completely self-contained)
15) Finder's Bane (sequel, of a sorts, to Finder's Stone/Alias trilogy but with different characters than Masquerade. Followed by non-Harpers novel Tymora's Luck)
16) Thornhold (essentially self-contained, though some characters from the Elfshadow series make appearences)

Overall, the series was one of the better ones from 2e, and there are a number of books in it that I continue to return to (9,10,14,15, all of the Elaine Cunningham books). There are also a few that I haven't read since (1, 7, 11) and a couple I'm indifferent on. Hope all this helps

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Edited by - Hoondatha on 22 Aug 2012 14:39:51
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Thanks for the information

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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

The Harpers series contains the following books. I've tried to include the links to other series:

1) Parched Sea (self-contained; one character reappears in #12)
2) Elfshadow (start of Arilyn and Danilo books, followed by #8, #13)
3) Red Magic (completely self-contained)
4) Night Parade (completely self-contained)
5) Ring of Winter (completely self-contained)
6) Crypt of the Shadowking (followed by #11)
7) Soldiers of Ice (completely self-contained)
8) Elfsong (sequel to #2)
9) Crown of Fire (sequel to non-Harper novel Spellfire)
10) Masquerade (sequel to Finder's Stone/Alias trilogy)
11) Curse of the Shadowking (sequel to #6)
12) The Veiled Dragon (sequel, more or less, to Parched Sea, though it takes place in a completely different place)
13) Silver Shadows (sequel to Elfshadow and Elfsong; takes place concurrently with Elfsong)
14) Stormlight (completely self-contained)
15) Finder's Bane (sequel, of a sorts, to Finder's Stone/Alias trilogy but with different characters than Masquerade. Followed by non-Harpers novel Tymora's Luck)
16) Thornhold (essentially self-contained, though some characters from the Elfshadow series make appearences)

Overall, the series was one of the better ones from 2e, and there are a number of books in it that I continue to return to (9,10,14,15, all of the Elaine Cunningham books). There are also a few that I haven't read since (1, 7, 11) and a couple I'm indifferent on. Hope all this helps



Good list, Hoondatha. I'm copying this post for future quoting.

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Thanks, glad it was useful. I happen to have all of those books in order on a shelf near my computer, so it was easy to put together.

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quote:
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Thanks, glad it was useful. I happen to have all of those books in order on a shelf near my computer, so it was easy to put together.



I have them all, too, in sight of my (home) computer, but I'd never taken the time to compile a nifty list, like yours.

I got most of those books as they came out, and after the fire, replacing Realms materials was one of my first priorities.

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quote:
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I have them all, too, in sight of my (home) computer, but I'd never taken the time to compile a nifty list, like yours.
It's always been on my "To-Do" list. But thanks to Hoondatha, I guess I'll also now be able to make a copy for when I next make my yearly re-read of the series.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I have them all, too, in sight of my (home) computer, but I'd never taken the time to compile a nifty list, like yours.
It's always been on my "To-Do" list. But thanks to Hoondatha, I guess I'll also now be able to make a copy for when I next make my yearly re-read of the series.



I didn't need the list for that. I copied it for sharing it with others, when they ask. Properly attributed, of course -- I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I have them all, too, in sight of my (home) computer, but I'd never taken the time to compile a nifty list, like yours.
It's always been on my "To-Do" list. But thanks to Hoondatha, I guess I'll also now be able to make a copy for when I next make my yearly re-read of the series.



Any truth to the rumor that you are almost halfway through the 2007 yearly Re-read list?

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