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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 09 May 2012 :  12:31:53  Show Profile Send Xar Zarath a Private Message  Reply with Quote
His brother Brennus would also try to stop him i think...

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Posted - 09 May 2012 :  14:02:09  Show Profile  Visit Veritas's Homepage Send Veritas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bringing an entity of darkness and secrets into the light (ala 3e-4e) should almost by definition be exposing Shar to weakness.
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Bringing an entity of darkness and secrets into the light (ala 3e-4e) should almost by definition be exposing Shar to weakness.



Them putting a deity of darkness into the spotlight is an irony that has been commented on, more than once.

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Note the Drow tactics - Lolth plans to envelop much of the world 'in shadows' so the light won't effect them. Don't you think the shades would like that very much?

I think Lolth is going to replace Shar (which isn't bad - one female 'goddess of darkness' is enough). Not sure who is going to replace Mystra.

I have my suspicions about The Simbul, but they are not what you might think. Consider her namesake...

Lolth is an ELVEN power.

Anyhow, Telemont* is not the type to put all his eggs in one basket (as the Netherese once did with Mystry's Weave), so I can definitely see him 'playing all ends against the middle', and not wanting any one deity to become the "end-all, be-all" of magic (a 'magical monopoly' would be a bad thing for consumers).


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His brother Brennus would also try to stop him i think...


He would, certainly. But given the scene from the excerpt of Godborn which Paul kindly shared to us, Brennus would likely need a very powerful ally. [His most powerful spell was easily swatted by his brother, as if it were a mere insect.]

quote:
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I have my suspicions about The Simbul, but they are not what you might think. Consider her namesake...


It was hinted in The Simbul's Gift by Lynn Abbey that The Simbul, the goddess, not Alassra, would one day return...

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Anyhow, Telemont* is not the type to put all his eggs in one basket (as the Netherese once did with Mystry's Weave), so I can definitely see him 'playing all ends against the middle', and not wanting any one deity to become the "end-all, be-all" of magic (a 'magical monopoly' would be a bad thing for consumers).


He's proven that a lot of times. I even theorized that the reason he was confident in binding Mephistopheles using all the magic from the mythallar is because should it eventually fail (as the Lord of the Eight gloatingly said), his backup power-sources would automatically be activated. I don't think he'd risk the safety of the entire city for an information he would get out of an archdevil (which he can get from other sources, anyway) without having the right contingencies.

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Right. And this makes me think that likely, should Shade find it necessary to conquer Evareska and tries to weaken its mythal by casting a Shadowshell around it, Galaeron's share of shadow magic might either delay or cancel the effects of the Shadowshell.

-Outside of occupying the property and having control of the mythal- which doesn't literally mean they'd know how to tamper and manipulate it, but that they'd just control the territory it encompasses- I don't see much that they'd gain by bothering. After the war with the Phaerimm, and then the Fey'ri, Evereska is pretty down and out, and so much of the stuff that made it attractive- magical knowledge, artifacts, items, etc.- have been moved.

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Xar Zarath
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They certainly would have hidden many of Evereska's treasures. Still the possibility of using another shadowshell on Evereska would be useless. Galaeron helped with reconstructing the mythal so now it bears a part of the shadow weave, if they used a shadowshell, the mythal would probably keep on chugging since it can presumable draw shadow energy too...

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-Given all that happened to Evereska's mythal- in the past 104 years, Phaerimm, Shadovar, tampering, Fey'ri, tampering, Spellplague- who knows anymore. I never liked the concept of a 'shadow' mythal too much, but at this point, with most other mythals we know about corrupted, destroyed, or somehow otherwise not working properly, I'd take a working model, even if it is tinged with shadows.

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The one in myth drannor is working just fine again thanks to Araevin Teshurr. By the way do you think the ritual that he performed the telmikarra neshyrr(ritual of transformation) made him immortal?
Saelethil Dlardrageth said that by binding some magical essence into his soul, he could wield high magic spells, some of the examples he cited good,evil,chaos,law...etc. Does that mean being a lich or being a shade could also have helped him??(just want to know)

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quote:
Originally posted by Xar Zarath

The one in myth drannor is working just fine again thanks to Araevin Teshurr. By the way do you think the ritual that he performed the telmikarra neshyrr(ritual of transformation) made him immortal?


-Seemingly, it transformed him into an Eladree, created by Sean Reynolds on his website, that I touched up a bit for 3e in Elves of Faerūn.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

quote:
Originally posted by Xar Zarath

The one in myth drannor is working just fine again thanks to Araevin Teshurr. By the way do you think the ritual that he performed the telmikarra neshyrr(ritual of transformation) made him immortal?


-Seemingly, it transformed him into an Eladree, created by Sean Reynolds on his website, that I touched up a bit for 3e in Elves of Faerūn.



Or a celadrin, from Dragon 350. Similar idea, but not quite the same thing.

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Or a celadrin, from Dragon 350. Similar idea, but not quite the same thing.


-Given that Hanali Celanil was not involved (as far as we know), I personally think that that's the less likely of the two, but given that it's up in the air, that's as likely as something completely different.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xar Zarath

They certainly would have hidden many of Evereska's treasures. Still the possibility of using another shadowshell on Evereska would be useless. Galaeron helped with reconstructing the mythal so now it bears a part of the shadow weave, if they used a shadowshell, the mythal would probably keep on chugging since it can presumable draw shadow energy too...


It's a possibility, as I said in my above post. However, Galearon is just one. And a Shadowshell is constructed by several archwizards. The Shadowsell might as well weaken the Weave-based magic of the Evareskan mythal while at the same time picking the shreds of shadow magic that Galaeron cast on the mythal and have it join/link to the shell itself.

On the other hand, I recall that Galaeron saw for himself how the Shadover created the Shadowshell, so maybe he'd learned a way or two about its weakness, and applied that knowledge when he helped reconstruct their mythal.

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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 :  06:08:51  Show Profile Send Xar Zarath a Private Message  Reply with Quote
True and perhaps with whatever knowledge he has of shadow magic thanks to Melegaunt, he could have help shore up the defenses of the mythal

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Has there been any reference to Galaeron's "small" contribution in rebuilding their mythal in any recent elfish novels? Does the Evareskan mythal now function as good as it did before the phaerimm attack, or better? [You see, I don't normally read elfish stuff, so...]

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Xar Zarath
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Well in the Last Mythal series all that is mentioned is that their mythal is still weak from the phaerimm and shades, but other than that im not so sure what has happen since the Spellplague...maybe its much more healthier now?

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Looking back, shouldn't have Khelben, as a token of friendship, shared even a dollop of his silverfire during the reconstruction of Evareska's mythal?

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Wouldn't such a gift insault the one being given to, as it says that you can't do it on your own. I'm not sure, I've never sure on how much of a near eastern feel they are going for here. They've captured it in some senses but not in others.

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He's proven himself a good friend to the elves so many times the elves have lost count. Besides, he has elven blood in him. So, no, I wouldn't think it an insult. What they should have considered an insult is Galaeron's shadow magic---the very type of magic that partly caused the collapse of their mythal.

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Looking back, shouldn't have Khelben, as a token of friendship, shared even a dollop of his silverfire during the reconstruction of Evareska's mythal?



Do we even know how silverfire and a mythal would interact? The two may not interact well with each other... If I want a drink of water, a water fountain gives me exactly what I need. A firehose would also give me water, but it's not in a format I can readily use.

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Ah, but hadn't he and Elminster used silverfire in rebuilding the City of Hope? They blended their magic with several other people's Weave-based magic, including those who once were their foes. Granted it's not a mythal...But the mythal itself mainly taps magic filtered from the Weave. So if other Weave-based magic can blend with silverfire, why can't the mythal?

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Ah, but hadn't he and Elminster used silverfire in rebuilding the City of Hope? They blended their magic with several other people's Weave-based magic, including those who once were their foes. Granted it's not a mythal...But the mythal itself mainly taps magic filtered from the Weave. So if other Weave-based magic can blend with silverfire, why can't the mythal?



My point is that perhaps a mythal requires delicate magics, not the flood of raw power represented by silverfire.

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That is exactly what they did in Evereskas, Khelben, Storm and hmm was there also Alustriel(this one i am not so sure) unleashed their silver fire everytime it recharged and directed it into the Mythal, which provided it with a magical boost and helped to shore up its defenses, mainly allowing it to fire meteor swarms at Phaerimm still in Evereska.

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That is exactly what they did in Evereskas, Khelben, Storm and hmm was there also Alustriel(this one i am not so sure) unleashed their silver fire everytime it recharged and directed it into the Mythal, which provided it with a magical boost and helped to shore up its defenses, mainly allowing it to fire meteor swarms at Phaerimm still in Evereska.



My mistake, then. I've not read those books in quite some time, because I rather dislike them.

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That is exactly what they did in Evereskas, Khelben, Storm and hmm was there also Alustriel(this one i am not so sure) unleashed their silver fire everytime it recharged and directed it into the Mythal, which provided it with a magical boost and helped to shore up its defenses, mainly allowing it to fire meteor swarms at Phaerimm still in Evereska.


Oops, I must have missed that part. Well, in that series, I tend to forget the parts where the Shadovar and the phaerimm were not featured.

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