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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2012 : 23:46:47
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http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Tyr
Ok so right after the spell plague Tyr abdicates his godhood , gives his (entire?) portfolio away..... What did that render him - I wonder - a mere mortal?- a celestial? - hero god? - or Demigod?
Then he he later gets taken out by a demonic horde that invaded the upper planes. Are there any details on this invasion? It's purpose and
level of success. I mean I guess it was at least somewhat successful if Tyr was taken out. Or is Tyr really gone for good?
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sfdragon
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 00:11:02
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Tyr is gone for good
there is not details on it more than that.
but Justice endures |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 00:21:25
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Tyr is gone for good
there is not details on it more than that.
but Justice endures
There should be details, who took him out? Did he put up a valiant fight? Who will claim his mighty sword "Justicator"? |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 01:13:30
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| AFAIK no effort were made to explain what happened in detail. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 04:48:37
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Originally posted by jordanz
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
Tyr is gone for good
there is not details on it more than that.
but Justice endures
There should be details, who took him out? Did he put up a valiant fight? Who will claim his mighty sword "Justicator"?
in this pedastal is impaled the once sword of the god Tyr.
Justice Shall Endure. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 13:33:25
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The last part of the article seems to explain why he's removed for good and why WotC didn't bother with much details. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 13:43:10
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| they goy rid of em brcause it was a goodd idea from green elven vampire when he heard they were going to nerf Torm. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 13:52:46
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| But anyways, even in the case of getting rid of him because of his slaying of Helm, they could have created some kind of "heroic" death that helped him clean his image to the readers in case they decide reusing him in some future.... |
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jordanz
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 00:51:34
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Originally posted by Thelonius
But anyways, even in the case of getting rid of him because of his slaying of Helm, they could have created some kind of "heroic" death that helped him clean his image to the readers in case they decide reusing him in some future....
Any chance Tyr gets resurrected during the Sundering? Perhaps some of his godly essence still exists within "Justicator" or "The Hammer of Tyr"... |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 01:05:43
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| Tyr coming back would be easy. He died as a mortal, so his spirit went somewhere in the upper planes. He gave his godhood to someone else because he didn't believe in himself. Maybe his death wiped away his doubts and/or Torm will grant his powers back to him because Tyr will be needed during and/or after the Sundering. The upheavals from all the wars during the Sundering and other bad things happening, I could definitely see a real need for some justice. Tyr reminds me of the old school. And some old school justice is just what the Realms might need. |
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Mirtek
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 01:20:33
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Originally posted by Thelonius
But anyways, even in the case of getting rid of him because of his slaying of Helm, they could have created some kind of "heroic" death that helped him clean his image to the readers in case they decide reusing him in some future....
Well, he had a heroic death, it's just that we were never told more than the basic setup.
He gave up his divinity to Torm and yet lead the celestial defenders against Orcus' invading forces, only to be slain by a powerful fiend (maybe even Orcus himself)
So he was still heroicly fighting at the frontlines despite haven no more divinity in him.
But yes, they should have given more details beside "Oh yeah, Tyr lead the charge against the demons and was killed. Whatever"
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Tyr coming back would be easy. He died as a mortal,
Not exactly mortal, rather as a still powerful (but non-divine) celestial |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 01:26:44
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| Tyrs future or non future has already been decided according to Ed. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
553 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 01:40:36
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Originally posted by Mirtek
quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius
But anyways, even in the case of getting rid of him because of his slaying of Helm, they could have created some kind of "heroic" death that helped him clean his image to the readers in case they decide reusing him in some future....
Well, he had a heroic death, it's just that we were never told more than the basic setup.
He gave up his divinity to Torm and yet lead the celestial defenders against Orcus' invading forces, only to be slain by a powerful fiend (maybe even Orcus himself)
So he was still heroicly fighting at the frontlines despite haven no more divinity in him.
But yes, they should have given more details beside "Oh yeah, Tyr lead the charge against the demons and was killed. Whatever"
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Tyr coming back would be easy. He died as a mortal,
Not exactly mortal, rather as a still powerful (but non-divine) celestial
Interesting but is that speculation? Where does it tell us what Tyr became after giving up his divinity? I dont know all the rules but wouldn't giving up %100 of your divinity lead to a gods ultimate demise? If Karsus had succeeded would Mystrl be walking around in a lesser form?
I petition the Realms writers to to flesh out what really happened here. IMO it's interesting and even if they didn't decide to keep Tyr around, the closure would be nice. He was arguably the greatest "Good" god in the realms next to Lathander. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 02:40:47
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| I agree we should see the story (perhaps a novel is in order) but I believe we will see his return in The Herald. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 03:26:10
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I agree we should see the story (perhaps a novel is in order) but I believe we will see his return in The Herald.
we might, but that story features Elminster so..... it might be Mystra we see there.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 05:09:27
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| Eh, yeah, there should have been more on his death. There should have been more on a lot of things. |
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Tanthalas
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 05:15:09
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| I was under the impression that most gods were being brought back with the Sundering. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 05:40:51
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| To answer the original question I'd guess that he became a celestial paragon - still a powerful outsider but weaker than a demigod. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 06:06:52
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
I was under the impression that most gods were being brought back with the Sundering.
you'd not be the only one there.
he might return, he jsut might or might not return as the god of justice.
but then again there is one thing that I'd like to see if he does come back.
Neverwinter is the city of skilled hands, it also holds the honor of where TYR walked Faerun as a mortal during the time of troubles.
I'd want to see him kick that fool Nevermember out of the city. |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
Malaysia
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 06:14:18
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| if im not mistaken, wasn't Tyr also part of the "Norse" pantheon? He was an interloper deity that took up residence in Toril after he found he liked it, so a part of his deific essence could still be intact in his "Norse" alias. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 09:40:12
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Neverwinter is the city of skilled hands, it also holds the honor of where TYR walked Faerun as a mortal during the time of troubles.
Whoa...really?
I totally passed over that fact when writing my custom Neverwinter material.
I hope that if Neverwinter is renewed that its renewal has something to do with Tyr's return (and the expulsion of the aboleths below the city). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 15:03:44
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Originally posted by sfdragon
Neverwinter is the city of skilled hands, it also holds the honor of where TYR walked Faerun as a mortal during the time of troubles.
I don't recall this... Where is this mentioned? |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2013 : 23:01:11
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
I was under the impression that most gods were being brought back with the Sundering.
Interesting I wonder if we'll see Helm and Eilistraee..... |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 07:31:04
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I think he's quoting this source: http://crpp0001.uqtr.ca/w4/campagne/HTML/FR_DG/LocationToT.html
My two pence: That particular mention is homebrew, it's the sourced quotes that are by Eric Boyd. The only mention of Tyr during the Time of Troubles is that Ao blinded him.
that could be..... but I couls swear... well no matter
to the right above this post though
Helm had something to do in the shadowbane series by ERik Scott DeBie.
havent read it yet though |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 10:32:54
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| I think Torm and Bahamut are handling things well enough. We dont need Tyr back, I mean he killed Helm for no good reason. What sort of god of justice does that? |
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farinal
Learned Scribe
Turkey
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 11:06:58
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| One that is written bad. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 11:44:58
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| I would not say the story was badly written, it was interesting enough, but thanks to its conclusion in Helm's murder I dont think we need Tyr around any longer especially when the new guys are doing a good job. |
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Mirtek
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 11:49:42
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Originally posted by jordanz
Interesting but is that speculation?
Well yes, it is. But since Tyr never was a human to begin with, why should he have become one? He was a celestial being with divinity, so I figure he would become one without divinity.
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Originally posted by Thauranil
What sort of god of justice does that?
One who this time lost out against the equally powerful lord of lies, deceptions and murder.
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Irennan
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Posted - 25 Dec 2013 : 14:33:51
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Originally posted by Thauranil
I would not say the story was badly written, it was interesting enough, but thanks to its conclusion in Helm's murder I dont think we need Tyr around any longer especially when the new guys are doing a good job.
Idk. IMO the whole divine love thingy was ridiculous. Seriously, two gods who engage in a mortal duel for the hearth of a woman? WTH is this? Cyric's hand in it or not, it doesn't make sense at all to me... |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 27 Dec 2013 : 13:12:08
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Originally posted by Irennan
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil
I would not say the story was badly written, it was interesting enough, but thanks to its conclusion in Helm's murder I dont think we need Tyr around any longer especially when the new guys are doing a good job.
Idk. IMO the whole divine love thingy was ridiculous. Seriously, two gods who engage in a mortal duel for the hearth of a woman? WTH is this? Cyric's hand in it or not, it doesn't make sense at all to me...
Good point it kind of humanizes the gods a bit too much.
Blame it on Cyric . Its the best option and the one that makes the most sense. |
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