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doctorbadwolf
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 :  05:11:14  Show Profile  Send doctorbadwolf an AOL message Send doctorbadwolf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin

Sounds like an awesome couple'a campaigns, good (er, bad) Doctor!



Thanks! And heck yes they are. :D
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

I have Volo's Guides to ...
All Things Magical ()
Cormyr
Waterdeep ()
the Dalelands
the North
the Sword Coast

I'd never heard of Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate (I or II) ... thanx, I shall add them to my shopping list forthwith!

There was no Volo's Guide to the first BG CRPG, beyond what was included in the gaming manuals for that game. The VGtBGII, however, was published as a supplement of sorts to the second game, and focused primarily on Amn, Tethyr, and some of the surrounding environs, though very briefly.

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Ayrik
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Ah, I confess that I've never actually played the Baldur's Gate CRPGs. Would you consider VGtBG2 "canon" Realmslore, applicable to the tabletop setting?

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Dennis
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3E and 4E. But since I can only vote one, I'd go with the latter. I like where the Realms is at right now...

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Brimstone
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Ah, I confess that I've never actually played the Baldur's Gate CRPGs. Would you consider VGtBG2 "canon" Realmslore, applicable to the tabletop setting?


I have it, and I consider it cannon.

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Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
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That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


3E and 4E. But since I can only vote one, I'd go with the latter. I like where the Realms is at right now...

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Ayrik
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Acceptance and preference are not equal qualifiers. You're attempting to manipulate statements with false dichotomy.

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Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
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I'm not. But you are certainly free to hold those views!

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Acceptance and preference are not equal qualifiers. You're attempting to manipulate statements with false dichotomy.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Ah, I confess that I've never actually played the Baldur's Gate CRPGs. Would you consider VGtBG2 "canon" Realmslore, applicable to the tabletop setting?

It's written by Ed, so it's canon Realmslore. [And I recall him declaring as such, in a previous "Questions for Ed Greenwood" scroll.]

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Ayrik
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lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.

But I'll still accept this Volo's Guide as worthy of adding to my collection, since it comes highly recommended.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin

That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


3E and 4E. But since I can only vote one, I'd go with the latter. I like where the Realms is at right now...



Not necessarily. But I get your point.

My "ideal" Realms is a combination of everything I like about each edition, and a few additions here and there...

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D-brane
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 :  08:24:36  Show Profile  Visit D-brane's Homepage Send D-brane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I really think this poll should be a little more discriminatory with the choices of edition.

For example, I love the 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms purely for the lore. But I think the 4th Edition Realms offers greater campaign potential by resetting (not sure that's quite the right word for it) the overall world and almost starting over fresh.

So I'm tied between 2nd and 4th Edition.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 :  12:27:07  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.

But I'll still accept this Volo's Guide as worthy of adding to my collection, since it comes highly recommended.


I have added Ed's Niflheim books to my Realms. They are my Dark Elves.

I hate D&D Drow with a passion.


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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 :  12:52:04  Show Profile Send Lady Shadowflame a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin

That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.



Hmmm... Nope! 4E retcons stuff. You can accept those retcons enough to like it while still not thinking it is the sum total of all things previously done - which it cannot be, due to the retcons.

Plus 'like' and 'prefer' are not the same.

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Thelonius
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 :  14:17:58  Show Profile  Click to see Thelonius's MSN Messenger address Send Thelonius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

I have Volo's Guides to ...
All Things Magical ()
Cormyr
Waterdeep ()
the Dalelands
the North
the Sword Coast

I'd never heard of Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate (I or II) ... thanx, I shall add them to my shopping list forthwith!

There was no Volo's Guide to the first BG CRPG, beyond what was included in the gaming manuals for that game. The VGtBGII, however, was published as a supplement of sorts to the second game, and focused primarily on Amn, Tethyr, and some of the surrounding environs, though very briefly.

You can learn a little more, here:- http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/products/11626.htm


Had no idea of that, I should have gotten that back in my BG2 hours of gaming, mmmm, feeling nostalgic right now, I think I'm gonna install a couple of BG games....

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Diffan
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quote:
Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame

quote:
Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin

That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.



Hmmm... Nope! 4E retcons stuff. You can accept those retcons enough to like it while still not thinking it is the sum total of all things previously done - which it cannot be, due to the retcons.

Plus 'like' and 'prefer' are not the same.



Which is applied to 3E or 2E stuff (or was the Realms introduced during 2E's period?) as well. And I too think prefer and like are two different aspects. I like 3E and 3E-Forgotten Realms, but given the choice of 3E or 4E FR, I'd prefer 4E.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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scererar
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 :  14:41:26  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.



it is? Because Ed wrote it, or does it have some sneaky way of linking in to realms material?

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by scererar

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.



it is? Because Ed wrote it, or does it have some sneaky way of linking in to realms material?

Ed told me it was largely due to the fact that, like previous volumes in the Volo's Guide series, it provided detailed coverage on a portion of the Realms. It was about having less to do with the events of the CRPG, by instead providing more campaign material like a traditional Realms sourcebook.

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Wooly Rupert
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I've never played any of the Baldur's Gate games, and I'd still tell people to get Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. I think the name was linked to the game to sell more books -- I've not seen anything in that book to make me think I needed to play that game to get more use out of the book. If the book even references game content, I'm not aware of it.

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Therise
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Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II really is just exactly like any other regular Volo Guide, it really doesn't help for playing the computer game (except for the fun factor of reading about various places). That said, it's immensely cool and helpful for playing the tabletop PnP Forgotten Realms in that region. BUT - as others have said - it has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate. It's really a guide to Athkatla and the surrounding region.

The Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate "I" (which doesn't have the "I") is imbedded in the middle of the Baldur's Gate I game manual. Technically, it's not a separate book at all, it's just a section titled that way in the manual. It has several fun pages of lore about the region, written in typical Volo style, but then the manual ends with in-game spells, etc. Truth be told, it's not absolutely necessary to play the game either, unless you're completely brand new to computer RPGs.

4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
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sfdragon
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the fact that 2ed is winning doesnt suprise me.

mind you I could nit pick about all of them, but most would be rule gripes that were changed later on....


3e and 2e

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I've never played any of the Baldur's Gate games, and I'd still tell people to get Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. I think the name was linked to the game to sell more books -- I've not seen anything in that book to make me think I needed to play that game to get more use out of the book. If the book even references game content, I'm not aware of it.

It doesn't reference the games to any specific degree. It's just what we've all come to expect from good and wholesome Realmslore written by Ed -- a sourcebook focusing on a particular region of the Realms which just also happens to be the setting for some popular CRPGs.

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MalariaMoon
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I'd choose 2nd edition for the quality, depth and breadth of the lore, and 3.5 edition for the ruleset
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rjfras
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I'm with MalariaMoon, I like the lore the best from 2nd edition, but use the 3.5 rules for whichever time frame our current game is in.
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