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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  14:38:02  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

A coincidence or what? Time Magazine once dubbed Martin "The American Tolkien." And in this poll, he's next to Tolkien.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


A coincidence or what? Time Magazine once dubbed Martin "The American Tolkien." And in this poll, he's next to Tolkien.



I think it's just the RR thing.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:17:17  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?

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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:27:16  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


A coincidence or what? Time Magazine once dubbed Martin "The American Tolkien." And in this poll, he's next to Tolkien.



I think it's just the RR thing.

You beat me to it. I was gonna say that.

And oh! There's another RR in the fantasy firmament: Scott R. R. Bakker!

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:28:34  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


A coincidence or what? Time Magazine once dubbed Martin "The American Tolkien." And in this poll, he's next to Tolkien.



I think it's just the RR thing.

You beat me to it. I was gonna say that.

And oh! There's another RR in the fantasy firmament: Scott R. R. Bakker!



He is actually on my to read list. I've heard great things about him

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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:35:55  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?

The gap between A Song of Ice and Fire's fourth and fifth books is 6 years. Now, if he's still alive at age 87, then we'll be lucky enough to see 4 more books in the series. [Remember, unlike Jordan, he doesn't want anyone else to continue ASoIaF.]

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:39:15  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?

The gap between A Song of Ice and Fire's fourth and fifth books is 6 years. Now, if he's still alive at age 87, then we'll be lucky enough to see 4 more books in the series. [Remember, unlike Jordan, he doesn't want anyone else to continue ASoIaF.]



*sigh

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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:41:08  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


A coincidence or what? Time Magazine once dubbed Martin "The American Tolkien." And in this poll, he's next to Tolkien.



I think it's just the RR thing.

You beat me to it. I was gonna say that.

And oh! There's another RR in the fantasy firmament: Scott R. R. Bakker!



He is actually on my to read list. I've heard great things about him

His The Prince of Nothing trilogy is weird, but in a good way. I'm not really into god-centric fantasy, which the said series is. But his characters are quite easy to like.

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Firestorm
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:48:43  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?


Originally, he planned for 6, but more recently has stated 7 books
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:49:14  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?

The gap between A Song of Ice and Fire's fourth and fifth books is 6 years. Now, if he's still alive at age 87, then we'll be lucky enough to see 4 more books in the series. [Remember, unlike Jordan, he doesn't want anyone else to continue ASoIaF.]



*sigh

Here is his interview, where, if you read between the lines, he said, "I intended to write only a trilogy. But my novels have been so popular I and publisher decided it best that I write as many books [in the series] as I can till I expire."

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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:50:32  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

On a similar note: does anyone know how many books will ultimately be in Martin's series?


Originally, he planned for 6, but more recently has stated 7 books

Incorrect. His original plan was a trilogy. See the link above.

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Farrel
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  18:53:36  Show Profile Send Farrel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I started reading G R R M quite late, I was able to charge through the first three books and then had to wait for a Feast for Crows.

The wait that I endured for A Dance with Dragons has somewhat put me off, six years was just too long.

I love the series so far and was extremely impressed with the recent HBO adaption. I thought the characters were extremely well cast.

Winter may be coming, but I fear it'll be a good few more seasons before we see The Winds of Winter.
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  19:03:30  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Farrel

I started reading G R R M quite late, I was able to charge through the first three books and then had to wait for a Feast for Crows.

The wait that I endured for A Dance with Dragons has somewhat put me off, six years was just too long.

I love the series so far and was extremely impressed with the recent HBO adaption. I thought the characters were extremely well cast.

Winter may be coming, but I fear it'll be a good few more seasons before we see The Winds of Winter.


The wait is only excruciating to those who truly, eagerly await every sequel. I belong in the happy-if-it's-released-but-wouldn't-be-devastated-if-it's-not lot. I love his world, but there's just too much fillers in the novels---which sometimes tend to be unbearable. I can appreciate the occasional slow pacing---like going to a strange, alien, beautiful place, sometimes we need walk slowly to appreciate its true beauty---but when it starts to drag...that's something else entirely.

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Marc
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Posted - 01 Nov 2011 :  12:43:47  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For me the first three books had a perfect pace, and I accepted AFFC as an experiment.

By the way, my friend went to see the filming of the show a month ago in Dubrovnik. Only the TV show is capable of finishing the story.

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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  04:23:31  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

How would you define "perfect pacing"? I can never apply that phrase to any of his books.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  12:30:22  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marc

For me the first three books had a perfect pace, and I accepted AFFC as an experiment.

By the way, my friend went to see the filming of the show a month ago in Dubrovnik. Only the TV show is capable of finishing the story.



What kind of experiment?

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  12:31:11  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


How would you define "perfect pacing"? I can never apply that phrase to any of his books.



Agreed. Martin has SOOO much going on in his books, that it would probably be near impossibel to maintain a constant "pace" for the reader through the entire series.

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Farrel
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  15:29:13  Show Profile Send Farrel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Marc

For me the first three books had a perfect pace, and I accepted AFFC as an experiment.

By the way, my friend went to see the filming of the show a month ago in Dubrovnik. Only the TV show is capable of finishing the story.



What kind of experiment?



The experiment was to slice the original 1500+ page manuscript down into two books. One book covering the northern based characters and the other the southern (it might be the other way around). It meant, due to the POV style, that we had to wait for the second book to find out what was going on with the characters not appearing in the first.

I'm still not sure if it truly worked due to the length of time between publishing.

"Quork?"
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Farrel
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  18:59:16  Show Profile Send Farrel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


How would you define "perfect pacing"? I can never apply that phrase to any of his books.



Agreed. Martin has SOOO much going on in his books, that it would probably be near impossibel to maintain a constant "pace" for the reader through the entire series.


I agree with Marc in regards to the "perfect pacing" of the first three books in the series.

Tastes differ, strange that?
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  19:25:52  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Still some great books though

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Farrel
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 :  19:44:57  Show Profile Send Farrel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

Still some great books though



Yep they are great

I do envy Marc for getting to see them filming in Dubrovnik. I saw a few stills from the sets and it looks like series two will be just as strong as the first.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  00:01:19  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Farrel

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

Still some great books though



Yep they are great

I do envy Marc for getting to see them filming in Dubrovnik. I saw a few stills from the sets and it looks like series two will be just as strong as the first.



Yeah i have heard great things about the HBO series and am looking forward to it's release on Bluray

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Marc
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  12:16:34  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


How would you define "perfect pacing"? I can never apply that phrase to any of his books.



Define? I can't, only compared with everything else I've read. The right mix of characterization, humor, plot twists and details about the Seven Kingdoms, it says at the end of the book, the devil is in the details. I'm not much of a reader, I first tried the audiobook (with the American narrator, not British), it was fun, helped me pass the time in the gym when I was injured and couldn't go to the basketball practice. After that I read ASoIaF, which is weird because unless it's for work I never re-read.

Do you know any other fantasy book that is more page turning?

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Edited by - Marc on 03 Nov 2011 12:27:17
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  12:31:23  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marc

Do you know any other fantasy book that is more page turning?

Anything by Ray Feist.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  12:52:21  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Marc

Do you know any other fantasy book that is more page turning?

Anything by Ray Feist.



I would agree for his earlier stuff but the last few trilogies of his have seemed a little cookie-cutter fantasy for me

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